Re: Sanathana Dharma - will this continue its record of longivity?
Just repeating from above (I don't think you saw my edit in previous post):
Again your conviction that things will happens exactly as in the hadiths, that the Imam will not say anything new that deviates from current beliefs, confirms what I say about the rigidity of Muslim beliefs - this makes the religion and its followers very vulnerable. Any new teachings that deviate from current beliefs or dogmas, differ from the hadiths, maybe even from the holy Koran will create a huge crisis and division in the religion - there is very likely to be a lot of bloodshed. The division will be between those accept the new Teacher as the Mahdi, follow his teachings and those who reject him/his teachings. The quarrel today maybe between Sunnis and Shias, but when the Mahdi appears it will be between brother and brother, father and son, even husband and wife maybe in separate camps.
I don't think there is any need to discuss Hindu Gods or Avatars- Muslims and Christians already assume that they are false Gods - so why don't we wait until the Imam comes and gives his opinion about Hindu Gods? I think he will be here soon in the next 2-3 years and again he may surprise you quite a lot.
hi Roshan...
well I must say we are people with two entirely different thoughts.. here is what I think.
Your thoughts are based on assumptions, surroundings and what changes you have seen in Hinduism.
My thoughts are based on hard core facts.
As pre whatever I have read from all the posts in this thread especially yours. I understand Hinduism is a religion which was created and is “by the people for the people” . that is why it’s gone through so many additions and changes in ever era like now, many people are now realising and believing the concept of ONE GOD and no sup gods or avatars… I’m not saying they are excepting Islam not all of them, but I guess this will happen when the Imam will show up. As when that happens (imam showing up) there are going to be only two sides the Islamic side and the non-Islamic side. BIG WAR will take place … well yes differently there will be a big war. This will be the last war against the non-believers and their leader anti-Christ before the world ends again references are available for it in Islamic books and webs.
The christens and Jews are aware of the above facts and they know they can’t change what going to happen. In fact they knew of the coming of Prophet (p.b.u.h) before he came in this world, how? It was there in their books. What wasn’t there was he is going to be an Arrab. Which was not liked by them, as according to them they and their community is / was the best (superiority complex), which is still the case.
And I think the topic is too big to be discussed on the thread, not that I am not liking the discussion. And I must say all of us have done a pretty good job.
Re: Sanathana Dharma - will this continue its record of longivity?
hi Roshan...
well I must say we are people with two entirely different thoughts.. here is what I think.
Your thoughts are based on assumptions, surroundings and what changes you have seen in Hinduism.
My thoughts are based on hard core facts.
As pre whatever I have read from all the posts in this thread especially yours. I understand Hinduism is a religion which was created and is “by the people for the people” . that is why it’s gone through so many additions and changes in ever era like now, many people are now realising and believing the concept of ONE GOD and no sup gods or avatars… I’m not saying they are excepting Islam not all of them, but I guess this will happen when the Imam will show up. As when that happens (imam showing up) there are going to be only two sides the Islamic side and the non-Islamic side. BIG WAR will take place … well yes differently there will be a big war. This will be the last war against the non-believers and their leader anti-Christ before the world ends again references are available for it in Islamic books and webs.
The christens and Jews are aware of the above facts and they know they can’t change what going to happen. In fact they knew of the coming of Prophet (p.b.u.h) before he came in this world, how? It was there in their books. What wasn’t there was he is going to be an Arrab. Which was not liked by them, as according to them they and their community is / was the best (superiority complex), which is still the case.
And I think the topic is too big to be discussed on the thread, not that I am not liking the discussion. And I must say all of us have done a pretty good job.
How do you know that any of the religions including Islam are not made up? Did any God or Allah come and talk to you personally? What hard fact is that that you have? I hope it is not justification of a religion by its religious books and people. If you have not met God directly ,every thing including the existence of said God or the authenticity of the prophets or Avatars is a matter of faith. Feel free to say that my belief is such and such. No where does it make one right. It is of course interesting to learn about a belief system.
Re: Sanathana Dharma - will this continue its record of longivity?
Few years back there was video that I saw in which a Indian intellectual was asked why India was concurred over and over in the known history of the region from people from all sides, Central Asia to Persia to Greeks to Afghans and many others. And he answered articulately that Indian (people living in the region not current day Indian) are very welcoming and flexible people :D I don't know exactly what it means. But it sounded funny to me, the way he defended the long history of defeats and living under foreign rulers.
For Hinduism, I find the same logic for its long survival. People, characters and stories, came, added up and it moved on. There are not structural boundaries in the belief system (and it was not meant to be in Sanathana Dharma). So this very flexibility had gone into the general population's mentality as well. There are some complexities that are emerging in modern days where people (like always had in last 2500 years) getting inspired by the foreign cultures and values, heavily under inferior complex (check Nandita Daas's movement over Dark skin and the shocking stats she has brought attention to), men are getting out of control with the new wave of cultural influences (see the burning issue of rapes). Since there is no certain boundaries in the religion, all the restrictions are mainly cultural. If its not the political atmosphere of the region (neighboring Muslim countries), more people would convert to religion of the people they admire or find fascinating (Christianity is on top in this case) or go athiest. Time will tell how Hinduism survives (and it will, to strive in the regional pressure) in the centuries ahead. May be we will see some reform movement to keep it relevant and protect the national interests (denouncing some practices as it happened with Satti in 19th century) and some people clinging to the established practices. As it happened over the thousand years with Jewish, whose majority were orthodox for religious purposes and had no political agenda for centuries, but there were always a very small faction that had deep political agenda. The later group were known as Zionists, and today majority of Jewish support that ideology.
One thing is for sure from my above opinion, India as a country is emerging economically and go head to head with China and even US in next 3 decades as a super power with strong say on international level. This will further nourish Hinduism for centuries, with an added pride (had been a rare phenomenon for its followers in its history) and some reformed form will also surfaced (again its totally acceptable due to flexibility, but could be difficult due to extremism that is increasing). Both Christianity and Hinduism (religion wise) have somewhat more adaptability while Judaism and Islam are having hard time naturally to counter the modernism that is sweeping the globe.
Re: Sanathana Dharma - will this continue its record of longivity?
I am not sure who you think the war is going to be between. Hindus usually don’t go to war over beliefs. The war is likely to be among Muslims - some who believe in the Mahdi and others who don’t. There may be a war among Christians but less likely.
I don’t think Christians believe in the Mahdi (they actually suspect he is the Anti-Christ, see Al-Mahdi and the Antichrist) - so there may be a war with them, but many Christians have become secular, so they may not want a war over religion either.
But you are right, this is too big to understand and discuss right now - it is all speculation. Maybe we can reopen this thread in a year or two when we think the Mahdi has arrived. But one important thing is to decide right now, not to become angry or violent over who believes in the true Mahdi or not - in fact, the determination should be to protect those who don’t agree with you rather than to fight them.
Re: Sanathana Dharma - will this continue its record of longivity?
How do you know that any of the religions including Islam are not made up? Did any God or Allah come and talk to you personally? What hard fact is that that you have? I hope it is not justification of a religion by its religious books and people. If you have not met God directly ,every thing including the existence of said God or the authenticity of the prophets or Avatars is a matter of faith. Feel free to say that my belief is such and such. No where does it make one right. It is of course interesting to learn about a belief system.
Hi Roshan,
You have asked me a question and then answered it yourself. YES Qur’an and hadith are the true, Authentic books ever and is the authenticity of Islam the complete religion which teaches us what is God, who is God, how to worship whom to worship. once GOD does not mean once god plus plus. It means ONE GOD and that’s it. Let me make it simple, whoever fits below definition of one GOD is the true God.
“Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One, **
**Allah , the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born. Nor is there to Him any equivalent.”
And by the way no were in my posts I have mentioned that you have to believe what I believe. I am just giving you facts and it’s up to you to except them or reject them and vice versa. I don’t have the power to turn your mind and heart. I can only show you the true path and guide by the will of Allah and he is with all the powers.
Re: Sanathana Dharma - will this continue its record of longivity?
hi again,
I think you need and better understanding of Islam. but if we get into that that we will end up talking rather Arguing about which religion is the best. Were as your post said not to discuss that. So I would suggest to study Islam some more that you have. Please don’t study people or the followers, the mulanas so on and so forth, study the religion itself and see where it takes you.