Attia, I think your confusing a few things here. Marriage is sunnah. Not every married couple can produce a child, so by your logic they shouldn't stay married or what?
Our prophet was married 11 times, how many children did he have? Did he divorce the others?
If she changed her sex than that means she must have had a problem and went ahead with the procedure. So, I would not catagorize this as same sex marriage Jonny :--)
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Subah Hazart mohammad:saw: married 11 times not for kids but to give the poor women shelter…Did that girl married the boy just to give him shelter??? and you say not every one will have child after marriage right. Those people dont know that they are not gonna have child they know it after marriage. and even if they know they would get marry due to some very serious reason one of those reasons can be giving shelter…
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So tell me what is the point of marrying when they cant have a baby...
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Point is, marriage is not **solely* for procreating (i.e. having babies). It may be one of the main reasons, but you can't deny the right to get married from those who are infertile for any reason.
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Point is, marriage is not solely for procreating (i.e. having babies). It may be one of the main reasons, but you can't deny the right to get married from those who are infertile for any reason
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No it is not the point of taking right... In quran it says that Marriage is for having more babies and to spread isalm...Those people who cant have baby,,,none of them has changed their sex. They are male or female from the beginning..but in here the point is that she changed her sex to male...and now he is gonna distroy the life of the girl who is 100% OK.. Now what will happen to their life If they cant have baby..Ok 10 year 20 year at last they will desire for a baby... Then who will blame who????? specially in Asian people Baby is the most important thing..
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In quran it says that Marriage is for having more babies and to spread isalm
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If people start taking the literal meaning of what you are saying, then before every marriage, you will first be required to get medical tests to ensure both bride and groom are fertile. Thats not how its done. People get married for a bunch of different reasons, and one of them is because they think they are in love and want to spend their lives together. Simple enough.
In this case, if the 'groom' has a medical procedure been done on him, then don't you think he should be given the benefit of the doubt and be considered a man - albeit an infertile man, perhaps? And the girl (bride) is willingly entering into this relationship... so its not like she is a victim in this. One would think she would know more about the fertility of those who go through a sex-change operation, and so if she wants kids she can adopt, or whatever. Plenty of childless couples do it. So, why worry about her/them? :)
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No faisal...iam not talking about every one. iam talking about those people who changes their sex....Now you said the reason of marriage can be love..so faisal there is no love mave in islam...in islam to see a na mahram guy is a sin so if you see him and love him it becomes a sin na..yes before marriage guy and girl see each other, but it doesnt mean you start loving him/her in first sight...here come the point of self control. in hadith it says that real momen are those who can control themselves. and you said about adopting that is a good thing to adopt..but faisal let me tell you one thing adopting a child is 100% different from having your own child......people adopt childern in some reason again either to give shelter to that kid, or because they cant have the baby of their own (which they dont know until the marriage) Now you tell me will you marry a girl who is in risk of having no child???????? and you say i love her and we will adopt a baby..No that is what is called Waqtee Junoon which will end very soon after marriage...
Bibi now you are going all over the place.
Your first point was that marriage is for having babies. I said procreation may be one of the reasons why people get married, but its certainly not the sole reason. You didn't contest that after that. Which should have been the end of the discussion right there and then.
But then you moved to the topic that you don't think that pre-marital love is permitted in Islam. Debatable but its besides the point. The point was that people marry due to many reasons. And not everyone follows Islam to the letter like you are trying to do here.
Then you jumped on adoption that it is different from your own child. Ofcourse it is! Again thats besides the point. What were saying here is that these two people married. One of them had a sex-change operation. They probably had an affair before that. So I wouldn't waste my time sympathising with the bride. Its her choice what she is doing.
Is it still not clear?
interesting! all this over that couple orr onnh beechariyoo ko pata bhi nahi
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No iam not all over the place...my point is that they did a wrong to get marry, in this condition. Now you said she had affairs before too so it means before the operation she was a liesbian... Again wrong.... Anyway whatever,,,, according to me and i think according to islam it was wrong thing......According to medical that girl can never be 100% a boy so it means it becomes the same sex marriage which is totally a sin in islam...( a nishani for qayamat too)
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Baqi 'wrongs' tau samajh aatay hein.. par explain this...
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According to medical that girl can never be 100% a boy so it means it becomes the same sex marriage
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yeah baby
Read this and then tell me if changing sex does work
Bibi you are comparing apples and oranges here. Your story is about a person who was forced to change his/her sex by doctors at a very young age, and therefore there are assorted psychological problems later on in life. The baby girl was never involved in this decision.
But this case, that we are talking about is about a girl who deliberately and willingly went through a sex-change operation at an adult age.
Big difference!
He may never be able to have babies with his wife, but that is a risk the wife is willing to take. So whats your beef? Are you worried about the wife? Or are you saying that since you don't think a sex-change operation can make the girl into a complete man, so you want to think of it as a same sex marriage? Either way, you can chose to believe whatever you want, cz it makes no difference to the couple in question. :)
can anyone find me the details of this? like a news clipping or something?
Faisal when some one cant change their sex in the young age and it is not successful..How are they gonna do it in an old age. anyway i never said that i feel sorry for them or something..my point is that they did wrong… Now they have to suffer it baby…WHO CARES 
Hum apna sar kio kapayay…
I knew this will happend 1 day in Pk.
^ Right...yeh din bhi dekhnaa thaa
Kiya yeh loag woh kar sakeiN ge?
And has the guy been given any sort of marbles, ya phir ping pong balls se hi kaam chala raha hai?
The title of this thread falls under false advertising. If the lady got a sex change then she...err....he isn't a lady anymore. Period. Thus a marriage between that person and a female would not be called "same sex". I don't understand why people are calling this decision a mistake or whatever. What do you want him to do? Spend his whole life without a wife? Or do you want him to marry a guy? Cuz *that *would be same-sex marriage.