Same-sex Marriage

[Obama]

Re: Same-sex Marriage

Same Sex Marraige …all it is is Sex between consenting adults**!

The sinister twist enters the arrangement when they have children then it becomes Polygamy!

so in essense same sex marraige legalizes polygamy through the back door**.

**If that is what society wants then No one should object to Polygamy

**Happy New Year to all the Mormons and Muslims who can now come out from their Multiple consenting adult Unions Closets!

[ekumunng]

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@chacha_Ghalib

Ekmung: do you think that the government should not recognize it if it’s not between a man and a woman.

I don’t care what the govt. says on this. If the govt. gives homosexuals tax benefits, so be it. If they get VVIP treatment, I don’t care. If they are idolized by millions, I don’t give a ****.

[ekumunng]

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@pallavpotter

Koran may or may not say that homosexuality is wrong.

Now how conveniently you have written the above statement. Don’t you think you should have consulted somewhere to find what Koran says about homosexuality? Anyhow this is for your enlightenment…

“*We also sent Lut: He said to his people: Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds. And his people gave no answer but this: they said, “Drive them out of your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!”” (Qur’an 7:80-82) *

*“Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing (all limits)! They said: “If thou desist not, O Lut! thou wilt assuredly be cast out!” He said: “I do detest your doings:” “O my Lord! deliver me and my family from such things as they do!” So We delivered him and his family,- all Except an old woman who lingered behind. But the rest We destroyed utterly. We rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): and evil was the shower on those who were admonished (but heeded not)! Verily in this is a Sign: but most of them do not believe. And verily thy Lord is He, the Exalted in Might, Most Merciful.” (Qur’an 26:165-175) *

*“Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant! But his people gave no other answer but this: They said, “Drive out the followers of Lut from your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!” But We saved him and his family, except his wife; her We destined to be of those who lagged behind. And We rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): and evil was the shower on those who were admonished (but heeded not)!” (Qur’an 27:55-58) *

"And (remember) Lut: behold, he said to his people: “Ye do commit lewdness, such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you. Do ye indeed approach men, and cut off the highway? - and practise wickedness (even) in your councils?” But his people gave no answer but this: they said: “Bring us the Wrath of Allah if thou tellest the truth.” (Qur’an 29:28-29)"

I try not to bring religion in my discussions but your above statement amused me a lot and I had to bring it to your attention.

[Shak]

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Who cares if two gay people are getting married? Ona diya masla

[TheObviousTroll]

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I support gay marriage because if the government (my government anyways) is going to give benefits to married straight couples, then why should gay couples be excluded from it? Besides that, there is nothing wrong with homosexuality.

[X2]

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In some parts of Pakistan a marriage can also be between a book and a woman.

[X2]

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@Captain_Obvious

No, it’s still between a man and a woman. A man’s marriage to the first wife is a separate marriage than the one to the second wife etc.

The statement implies monogamy. That is why the word ‘a’ is used

[redvelvet]

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@pallavpotter

Isn’t worshipping some other deity other than Allah a bigger sin? Are you also concerned that Muslims having non-Muslim friends is going to threaten their “core religious beliefs”?
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Umm…what the heck is the problem, Potter? The person that you’re quoting is not quite sure of her own stance on the matter, so what’s the need to get so emotional? Why the hell do you feel the need highlight other more “bigger” sins as a way to downplay homosexuality? I don’t get why people do that. I guess we all do it when we’re feeling defensive. And it reads like a …“Hey don’t look at this, feast your on eyes on that instead.” Pointing to other sins does NOT lessen the gravity of the sin or societal ill in question; so quit harping on that point. **

Good news is that gay-marriage or gay friends won’t turn anyone’s children gay. It might make them aware of all the diversity that the world has to offer. If they turn out to be gay, if won’t be because of the gays’ supposed secret agenda, it would be because they were born that way. Sexuality is a spectrum, not a rigid box and that means that yes, your children/siblings/cousins/friends may turn out to be gay and only thing your homophobia or lack of support for gay rights is going to ensure is they never finding it in themselves to live a freer life.

**Yes, we all know that homosexuality is not an air-borne or highly contagious beemari; there was no need to point that out. Going by your logic it can also be said that the good news is that just because zina has become rampant and acceptable doesn’t mean that your children will engage in it. Just because (insert issue) is commonplace…doesn’t mean your kids will …bla bla blaabadee bla blaa. I doubt there’s a secret agenda behind them either and while variety is the spice of life, it is also sometimes the bane of society especially as the masses become more and more dismissive with time. **

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[diwana]

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@chacha_Ghalib

Same-sex marriage is becoming acceptable and more common in many countries. According to Wikipedia, 15 countries and several provinces/states in multiple countries recognize same-sex marriage. The trend is surely to continue.

What are your views on the legalization of same-sex marriage? The religious stance on this issue is quite clear but how do you view it from a legal and ethical point of view? Should they be denied certain tax benefits because of how they choose to live their life? Should states have the right to discriminate against citizens based on their sexual choices?

I am curious as to why most of posters have ignored this and brought their arguments based on religion…for it or against it.

I personally have no qualms about red part.

Irreligious, anti-religion, politically correct liars, confused, and those who plain and simple have no clue whatsoever what is right and what is wrong may say anything,…but,

…Homosexuality by any standard including social, psychological (Please do not try to give me ludicrous DSM criteria and its diagnosis) is wrong.

People who wrote DSM criteria have removed it from being called as a mental disorder and it was removed simply based on other reasons, not based on the reality.

**There is no reason for anyone in right mind and intelligence to EVER agree that homosexuality is NATURAL and NORMAL.
This is regardless of any affiliation to any religion.

Religion(s) only confirm the fact in this matter and should be left alone for now.

**

@X2

Unless you are Muslim or Mormon, in which case it can be between a man and a woman, and another woman, and another woman etc

All it means is no matter how many times these people marry, being smart and not mentally sick, they still choose A woman for themselves at a time.

@Captain_Obvious

No, it’s still between a man and a woman. A man’s marriage to the first wife is a separate marriage than the one to the second wife etc.

Yes.

@X2

In some parts of Pakistan a marriage can also be between a book and a woman.

And in certain parts of India, a marriage can also be between a woman and a monkey or tree.

Both are wrong.

Multiple wrongs cannot still prove homosexuality right.

@X2

The statement implies monogamy. That is why the word ‘a’ is used

Statement implies marriage between one man and one woman.

Nowhere in Islamic tradition or Mormons (hope so) one man marries multiple women at the same time **and **in one moment of the day.

While polygamy is not an essential element of Islam, polygamy is allowed for Muslims and Mormons .

P.S. Forget about marriage, even Mutah is between a man and a woman.

[X2]

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Diwana - the point is that if we will use religious arguments then in the west the definition does not allow polygamy, in Pakistan I suppose it will not allow muttah, and also religion is used to marry girls to a book and as you added to an animal or a plant.

So… If we can’t use religion as a basis to say no, what basis are we using?

[diwana]

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@X2

Diwana - the point is that if we will use religious arguments then in the west the definition does not allow polygamy, in Pakistan I suppose it will not allow muttah, and also religion is used to marry girls to a book and as you added to an animal or a plant.

So… If we can’t use religion as a basis to say no, what basis are we using?

Great question.

In the context of the thread topic:

**Homosexuality is not considered acceptable by all three major religions practiced in West.
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[One time I tried to talk about it and Shamraz Khan then moderator/CM? of Society, removed that thread..]

As I said earlier, there are plenty of reasons outside religion and politically influenced American Psychiatric Association or its DSM to not see homosexuality as normal behavior.

By calling it as "normal’ and accepting this act as ‘normal’ we as human being may not be doing any good to these otherwise very sick and delusional people. (in the sense of not knowing that they are sick and are acting ABNORMAL).

As much as I have not an iota amount of hatred for these people and do respect their way of life, and acknowledge that this is the way they are, they are still abnormal and ‘mentally sick’.

These people can be helped.

Even though they have urge to try it out once in awhile, they still CAN live in NORMAL heterosexual lifestyle…with OR without psychiatric help.

[Nina85]

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@TT

Same-sex marriage has been legal in Canada for a decade now. It would be interesting to know how this has affected Canadian Muslims. So Canadian guppies, how has it affected you and your family?

It has not affected me or my family. I keep living my life and others keep living theirs.. Nothing wrong here

[diwana]

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Talk about west my friends:

Here is fresh Taaza Taaza Garma Garam Khabar (NEWS).

Utah asks Supreme Court to block same-sex marriage - CNN.com
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(CNN)** – Utah officials have asked the U.S. Supreme Court to immediately block enforcement of a federal judge’s ruling allowing same-sex couples to be legally married in the state.
An emergency appeal was filed on Tuesday with Justice Sonia Sotomayor, **who could rule herself or ask the rest of the court to weigh in.
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Sorry to bring information from US.

And world’s reactions do not always conform to what people in US believe.

EVEN in US, there is a conflict.
Same-sex marriage is banned by constitutional amendment or state law in: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
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It is legal in 17 other states and the District of Columbia:** California, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington.

[Cheegum]

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To gay people i would say LPC but that would kind of defeat the purpose.

[S_and_S]

Same-sex Marriage

Diwana would make an awesome Republican.

[Ethan_Hunt]

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@Cheegum

To gay people i would say LPC but that would kind of defeat the purpose.

Uffff.. hahahahhahaha

[Deeba1234]

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@S_Punk

Men and women bring completely different yet equally important attributes/qualities to the table…for me, marriage is the union between a man and a woman. I have no issue with same-sex unions until they bring religion into it. I’ve seen it’s becoming a trend to put down religious beliefs against homosexuality…or trying to twist religions (Abrahamic faiths, specifically Islam) to accept homosexuality. It is wrong. Plain and simple. I can understand then wanting the same gvmt benefits as a hetero couple…but i still don’t think ‘marriage’ is the correct term for it. And there’s also a huge thing of…same-sex supporters love to say…freedom of speech and life and all…but that also applies to the other side…it’s not a one-sided thing…u know? People who disagree with homosexuality are always portrayed as Dark Ages, backwards rednecks… =/

Do you agree with civil partnerships?

I don’t believe religion condones it but at the same time from an ethical standpoint I don’t feel comfortable not ‘allowing’ them to be together..

Talking of ‘mental illness’ psychiatry is not an exact science.. As someone who comes from a family of psychiatrists I know a lot of things which were considered perfectly fine or acceptable twenty or thirty years ago are no longer acceptable now as psychiatry has changed and evolved, partly down to science + research and partly down to societal influences..

In Nazi Germany and South Africa under apartheid weren’t people in interracial relationships considered ‘abnormal’ as well?

[TLK]

I conducted a little research to see if homosexuality is a choice or more of a genetically embedded behaviour. Wiki has an article on non human animals homosexuality. Amazingly, amongst many species of animals including mammals, homosexuality is not as uncommon as we think.
Animals, as we believe, if raised in thier natural environment, follow thier instincts given to them by nature. Does that mean a homosexual man is attracted to another man because nature made him that way? If that is the case, then is he really committing a sin?

[Deeba1234]

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Him being attracted to another man isn’t a sin in Islam.. Whether he follows thru on that attraction would determine if he’s sinning or not..

[TLK]

Ok let me ask a different question. If a man has a mental disorder that influenced him to commit suicide, is he a sinner according to Islam?

Btw I am not endorsing homosexuality. I am just trying to understand the mindset of such person.