Same old circus...

KARACHI: There is a famous saying that nothing succeeds like success and victory has a tendency of hiding most ills.

The same can be said about the present Pakistan team and the Pakistan cricket set-up because the Test series win over South Africa could not have come at a better time for Pakistan cricket and for the cricket board.

The performance of the team in the two Tests after their 2-3 defeat in the one-day series to the South Africans would have pleased many a cricket fan and the two most pleasing aspects of the series were the maturing of young leg-spinner Danish Kaneria and the three successive century stands put up by the opening pair of Taufeeq Umar and Imran Farhat.

Overall, statistically, Pakistan has every right to be satisfied with its performance this home season following its 3-0 and 5-0 sweep over Bangladesh in the test and the results against South Africa, which is officially ranked the number two team in the world.

But then perhaps this is also the best time for the Pakistan Board officials, selectors and the team members to make an honest assessment of their performances and do some rethinking.

As far as the team is concerned, they were and are problems within the team, none better illustrated than by the word going around that Yousuf Youhana, Mohammad Sami and Shoaib Akhtar (although he eventually could not play due to the ban on him) had feigned injuries not to play in Faisalabad.

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Apparently i’m not able to copy the whole artcile (??). Someone pls do that, else i’ll try doing that later. Talking abt the article, it really is the same old circus on show again. Too many guyz in high positions with attitude and massive egos. Although i also believe that everything written in this article is not true…

KARACHI: There is a famous saying that nothing succeeds like success and victory has a tendency of hiding most ills.

The same can be said about the present Pakistan team and the Pakistan cricket set-up because the Test series win over South Africa could not have come at a better time for Pakistan cricket and for the cricket board.

The performance of the team in the two Tests after their 2-3 defeat in the one-day series to the South Africans would have pleased many a cricket fan and the two most pleasing aspects of the series were the maturing of young leg-spinner Danish Kaneria and the three successive century stands put up by the opening pair of Taufeeq Umar and Imran Farhat.

Overall, statistically, Pakistan has every right to be satisfied with its performance this home season following its 3-0 and 5-0 sweep over Bangladesh in the test and the results against South Africa, which is officially ranked the number two team in the world.

But then perhaps this is also the best time for the Pakistan Board officials, selectors and the team members to make an honest assessment of their performances and do some rethinking.

As far as the team is concerned, they were and are problems within the team, none better illustrated than by the word going around that Yousuf Youhana, Mohammad Sami and Shoaib Akhtar (although he eventually could not play due to the ban on him) had feigned injuries not to play in Faisalabad.

It didn’t escape the notice of many people that although Sami and Shoaib were said to be injured during the first Test in Lahore yet they were seen playing football wholeheartedly after a day’s play.

It is also no secret that even during the one-day series against South Africa, several of the senior players had gone to former captain Rashid Latif and had offered to back out of the team in his support if he wanted as they were not happy with the fact that the team management and the board had treated him unfairly by forcing him to resign as captain.

And the reason for this behaviour from some of the players is that there is growing mistrust between them and the team management and the selectors.

As far as Javed Miandad is concerned, one has to say this with a pinch of salt that once again the old scenario of few players getting unhappy with him because of his attitude is resurfacing.

But this time he also has valid reasons for being frustrated and unsatisfied with the scenario in the team.

Miandad, one can say, is a sincere and committed man to Pakistan cricket but unfortunately his man management skills still need some polishing.

Until Rashid Latif was captain he kept a tight leash on the extent of authority, which the team management, coach or even the selectors enjoyed and this was one reason why the situation never got out of hand but he became unpopular with the others and eventually had to go.

With his exit, the scenario has changed and it has become increasingly obvious that Miandad now wants more say in selection and other team matters and he has made this obvious even at some press conferences.

Those close to him say that Miandad is increasingly frustrated at the way the selection matters are handled and the way the players are not being allowed to develop among them his own nephew Faisal Iqbal.

“His frustration stems from the fact that he is seeing injustice done and wrong cricketing decisions being made but does not have the authority to do anything,” said one close aide.

The result is that Miandad in the last few weeks has become increasingly bitter and has not bothered to keep his feelings to himself, making him unpopular with some players.

To make matters worse, when Inzamam-ul-Haq became captain, Miandad hoped he would have greater say in team and selection matters but after a few days Inzamam started making it obvious to him who was the boss not only in the training sessions but otherwise also.

The uneasy relationship some of the senior players have with Miandad is obvious from the Saqlain Mushtaq incident.

The off-spinner called him up after being dropped for the test series against South Africa and abused him holding him responsible for his ouster.

But before the Test team was announced Saqlain had also got into an ugly argument with Miandad in the dressing room in Lahore and Moin Khan had to intervene and save the situation.

Miandad is one of the best coaches tactically that Pakistan has had and he also privately blames the senior players for having a “mafia” within the team and not allowing genuine youngsters to prosper.

To illustrate when Mushtaq Ahmed played in the first one-dayer against South Africa and went wicketless it was obvious that he was no longer cut out for international cricket.

Miandad had all along been insisting that Danish Kaneria be played but didn’t get the necessary support.

“Miandad was confident that if Mushtaq played in the second one-day match he would be exposed completely and Kaneria would have to be selected. But to his surprise the next day Mushtaq came up with his injury problem that ruled him out of the one-day series,” said one source.

“Miandad believed this had been orchestrated by some of the senior players to protect Mushtaq and ensured he played in the Test series,” the source confided.

Not surprisingly, Miandad has privately indicated to the Board Chairman that give him a young team sans any seniors and he will get better results and produce an unbeatable squad for the next World Cup.

So it is the same old problem of mistrust between some of the senior players and Miandad resurfacing.

To add to the problems is the fact that chief selector Aamer Sohail appears incapable of having a civilised and good working relationship with anyone.

This might be because of his tendency to interfere too much in team affairs and to believe everything he does or say is the final word in cricket.

Not surprisingly, this has put him at loggerheads with chief executive Rameez Raja who was furious when he came to know about the inclusion of two more players in the Pakistan squad for the second test making it 18 players in the squad.

It is also no secret that Rameez never saw eye to eye with Sohail over the Rashid Latif affair and minced no words when the selectors recalled a jaded Moin Khan back into the team.

One just hopes the situation is controlled but for this there is acute need for the Board officials to not only try to diffuse the situation and prevent anymore mistrust between players and Miandad and among themselves but also to do some serious rethinking.

One just had to witness the way the organisation and marketing of the series against Bangladesh and South Africa was performed to realise the improvement is needed in many areas.

It was a learning experience to hear and see hoardings and banner sites being sold and than resold in the stadiums and to hear the complaints of the sponsors of being neglected to fully gauge the situation.

What is also not good for the image of the Board are stories about how some people in the board with the knowledge of the Chiarman have favoured their close ones in awarding advertising/sponsorship contracts in the series etc.

One does not want to go into details but the fact that the gate money shown after the first One-day International in Lahore was way below the projected revenues is testimony to the fact that the Board needs to improve its organisational and diplomatic skills in many areas.

The appoint of former Test player Mohammad Illyas as manager of the Pakistan under-19 team and his son-in-law Imran Farhat’s recall to the Pakistan team following a spate of critical statements and interviews about the board by Illyas has not left a very good impression about the Board.

And it is not good news that some construction problems with the National Cricket Academy in Lahore are already being reported.

To make matters worse the chief selector Aamer Sohail has become a laughing stock with his habit of criticising his own players on television.

But all is not bleak in the Pakistan cricket board and a lot can be built around the recent heart-warming cricket results.

The Board can take credit for the good results and most notably for some of the bold decisions it took immediately after the World Cup but it can still improve in lot of areas, that is if it is willing to see the writing on the wall and buckling down to some honest assessment.

If the above article is all true then :

I think a few people need to get out of Pakistan cricket. It seems Ramiz is the most sensible one of the lot and should be given a free hand. By free hand I mean kick out Tauqir Zia and give all the powers to Ramiz Raja who has so far shown a mature approach and not just a mature approach but a diplomatic one. Unlike other who get emotional and give out statements agaisnt fellow selectors or coach or ex-players Ramiz has learned to keep his mouth shut.

Amir is the second person who also needs to go. He is too emotional, cant keep his mouth shut infront of the media and criticizing the coach is absolutley wrong. If he has a problem with the coach take it up with the board chairman. His job is to select the best possible team not give tips on how to coach the team.

A lot of people will disagree with me here but I think Miandad also has to leave. Everytime he became the coach he has had prboelms with someone or the other. In the past it was always blamed on senior players that played in his era like Amir Shoial, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis etc now all of them are gone and he still cant get along with the players. The problem is he wants too much authority. He is the coach, probabaly one of the best around but he needs to realize that too. He is the coach, not the chieft selector, not the captain not the board chairman. If he wants to be one of those then give up coaching and see if he can get the other jobs. Secondly if Amir gives out statements agiasnt him he shouldnt stoop down to his level. Take it up with the board chairman and tell him that if nothing is done about it then he will go public instead of exchanging nasty statements.

To be honest Inzi didnt seem the right person for the job. If it was up to me I'd probably make Shoaib Akhtar the captain but I guess not a whole lot of people will like it. People always look back to see what he has done in the past. We need to realize that since his comeback after the worldcup as the senior most strike bowler he has played exceptionally well. As you look at the time you'll realize we dont have a lot of appealing options for captain. Everyone is either too young and imature or just not right for the job. Apart from Inzi and YoYo none of the batsmen have a permanent place in the side. Taufiq just made a comeback and Imran just started. That leaves us either a bowler or wicket keeper. As we all know wicket keeper no one knows who its going to be. Moin was back but Rashid is also available for the Newzealand series. Rashid resigend as captain and Moin can barley keep his place in the side, and we cant piock up a new wicketkeeper and make him captain. So Shoiab is the most deserving candidate from the bowlers. Unless someone wants to see Kaneria or Sami as captain.

Shoaib Akhter, most controversial and undisciplined cricketer of Pakistani team as captain? Are you kidding?

DANG. I haven't stopped celebrating victory over Proteas and this thread spoiled the whole fun.

Yep - the same old circus. :)

LM, I agree with to some extent.
When you have an inconsistent side like Pakistan, a coach or captain must take authority to discipline the players.
Javed Miandad is should rightly do so.
He should be given full power as far as the team selection is concerned.
As in this case, Inzimam doesn't seem to be the type of a person who would discipline others. He should leave serious matters to Javed, he is much more experienced and a better leader then Inzimam.

The main problem is between the mangement and the coach.
Both should do their respective jobs.
The chief selectors job is to pick out a pool of players from the domestic scence and give it to the coach.
And its the coach's responsibility to help the player develop and should be given a proper chance to identify his full potential.

Inzimam was and will always be a ridiculous choice for the captaincy job. We were very lucky that the series didn't come down to a point where slight decisions from the captain effected the results of the game.
Unless he is an interim captain, so in time we can look for a new guy.

Shoaib Akhtar @ this point shouldn't be considered for the captaincy, as he is a fast bowler and he is bound to be injured more often then not.

Pakistan has 2 options, either keep Inzimam for a long period of time and help him develop into a winning captain or start grooming one of the young guys to lead the side in a year or two.
Mind you, it took Imran Khan 10 years of captaincy to get to a point where he was recognized as one of the great captains in his era.
You can't just expect a person to be given the captaincy and start winning matches @ the moment.

Our management needs patient, their frequent appointing of different captains is hurting Pakistani cricket.

Graham Smith has worst Win-Loss ratio then Rashid Latif, but his board still has faith in him despite 2 unsuccessfull tours.

it is sad really now that we won so brilliantly, we get these all 2 familiar reports that there is another power struggle going on in pakistan cricket.

firstly, i think miandad shd just be concerned abt his job. he shdn't get 2 caught up with the selection matters. aamir sohail shd shut his filthy mouth n just take care of selection matters.

inzamam is a non-controversial guy n i don believe there are any probs between him n the coach. i really think if miandad n sohail just concentrate on their jobs, there is no reason y we wont continue to play like we r playing rite now...

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Pakistan has 2 options, either keep Inzimam for a long period of time and help him develop into a winning captain or start grooming one of the young guys to lead the side in a year or two.
Mind you, it took Imran Khan 10 years of captaincy to get to a point where he was recognized as one of the great captains in his era.
You can't just expect a person to be given the captaincy and start winning matches @ the moment.

Our management needs patient, their frequent appointing of different captains is hurting Pakistani cricket.

Graham Smith has worst Win-Loss ratio then Rashid Latif, but his board still has faith in him despite 2 unsuccessfull tours.
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i would like to correct the record for you, you made a bold statement about imran khan that it took him 10 years before he became a great captin. well guess what, you are wrong. lets go back and search the golden past.

imran took over the captinacy back in 1982 and i still remember his first series as a captin in england. Imran was impressive from first series. remember that lords test when mohsin khan scored double century and muddassar got 6 for 34 and pakistan won a great test match at lords..... imran himself took more than 18 wickets (if my memory stays with me) and batted really well...he established himself as a mature captin right in first series.... if english umpries were honest , imran wud have beaten england in his first series... anyway, his next series was against india in 1982....and we all know wut happened.... india was beaten 3-0 and imran was absoutly unplayable... he took 41 wickets in 6 test matches and also scored a century and many fifties....that was only his second series and he was again anawesome leader... he got that famous fracture in same series which forced him out of cricket for next 20 months.... he came back again as captin late 1985 and after that he beat england in england (1-0), india in india ( 1-0)... so it is obvious that he was SKIPPER from the very first day... it did not take him 10 years to "groom"....

your suggestion was valid but your example was little off especially u mentioned imran name...

phoenixdesi tum ne to loot lya. :k:

The following are some excerpts from this month’s Herald magazine:

TRIAL AND ERROR

A rebuilding process that shopuld have started four years ago is being grossly mishandled by a whimsical selection committee

Its time for number 18. The 18th change in captain of Pakistan cricket team since 1993, that is. Rashid Latif’s short stint has come to an end despite a winning record and Inzimamul Haq has been put in charge for the next two tours. So where did Rashid go wrong? Was it tactics, player management or refusal to bow down to a perfunctory selection procedure?

According to reports, **Rashid first confronted chief selector Aamer Sohail in the dressing room while the latter was scolding one of the players - a responsibility that lies with the captain. ** The feud moved on to Multan where Sohail dropped Younis Khan from the ODI squad which did not please Latif in the least. The captain protested and some harsh words were exchanged. Of course Sohailended up getting his way and Latif now sits on the sidelines…
…Powers trips have always been a problem in our cricket. Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis were both affected by their desire to run the team. Aamer Sohail, on the other hand, was always a rebel but now that he is in charge of selection, Sohail seems to have gone on a power trip of his own. There is merit in the maxim that rebels don’t handle positions of authority all that well…

Since Tauqir Zia has taken over the PCB, 26 players have made their test debut. Thats an average of 6.75 debuts per year. Compare that to 179 players having represented Pakistan in our 51-year history at an average of 3.5 per year…The board may claim that the constant shuffling is due to the rebuilding pricess but the real cause can be credited to their own nearsightedness.The rebuilding process should have begun after the 1999 World Cup, especially considering tauqir Zia had stated that he was preparing for the next such event when he took over. In 2003, however, Pakistan possessed the same players they had four years earlier, the only difference being they were older and inadequate…"

This is absolutely ridiculous. PCB must get rid of Aamer Sohail and Tauqir Zia if it is to have any real chance of building a world-beating side team for the future. These two idiots have to go. :mad:

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i would like to correct the record for you, you made a bold statement about imran khan that it took him 10 years before he became a great captin. well guess what, you are wrong. lets go back and search the golden past.

imran took over the captinacy back in 1982 and i still remember his first series as a captin in england. Imran was impressive from first series. remember that lords test when mohsin khan scored double century and muddassar got 6 for 34 and pakistan won a great test match at lords..... imran himself took more than 18 wickets (if my memory stays with me) and batted really well...he established himself as a mature captin right in first series.... if english umpries were honest , imran wud have beaten england in his first series... anyway, his next series was against india in 1982....and we all know wut happened.... india was beaten 3-0 and imran was absoutly unplayable... he took 41 wickets in 6 test matches and also scored a century and many fifties....that was only his second series and he was again anawesome leader... he got that famous fracture in same series which forced him out of cricket for next 20 months.... he came back again as captin late 1985 and after that he beat england in england (1-0), india in india ( 1-0)... so it is obvious that he was SKIPPER from the very first day... it did not take him 10 years to "groom"....

your suggestion was valid but your example was little off especially u mentioned imran name...
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Well said but the main focus of this discussion is not the captain's form as an individual player but his captaincy which was very good, but he also had great pool of talent to deal with unlike now.
Imran in his stint had some of the greatst Pakistani players at his disposal, Wasim, Zaheer Abbas, Javed Miandad, which is unmatchable to the current Pakistani team.
But you have to agree, he became world class captain in the last 3 or 4 years in his career to lead his team to the first WC victory.

Very true…Especially Aamir…I dont see why he was made Cheif Selector in the first place :bummer:

there we go again now, with inzi more actively involved in the mix of things. has anyone published that article yet from the news which talks abt the arguments inzi and sohail had on the phone over the selection issue?

sohail is locking horns with everyone now and needs to be taught a good lesson. but who will do that? only zia has the authority, but “Mr.Smart” has been quite so far. And what abt those comments shoiab made to the indian press?? SAME old circus indeed!!

:smack: :mocking:

^^ yep that article is posted in Aamir sohail thread on this forum..