I prayed Salatul Tasbeeh on Friday, I told one of my friend and she said salatul tasbih is not authentic n is not sunnah, is it true?
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Sorry but I hate such people…always discouraging others from ibadah.
Here:
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Difference of opinion. There is no authentic hadith behind this. It is controversial. Don’t pray it thinking that you hit some big ibadah goal if you do opt to pray it.
Please read this with an open mind. And remember authentication was done by the greatest Sahabahs, when one reporting something from another in regards to the Prophet (saw).
Islam Question and Answer - There is no saheeh hadeeth about Salaat al-Tasbeeh
I agree with antumul on this
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it's ALL bid'a... there is NO sanad that it was done during the time of prophet [s.a.w.s.] or even after that...
...those bid'atis always love to try to do something 'NEW' and their day is NOT complete until they do some innovations in deen.
may Allah protect us all...aameen
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Islamqa do not represent the view of the majority of scholars. They only represent a very small view or opinion of scholars which is fine but it is wrong to claim that their view is the “most authentic”. That is not how fiqh works.
Many scholars will agree and disagree with each other. Islamqa which mostly contains views of those scholars who support the salafi like Sheikh Al Albani for examle, but on this occassion in regards to the topic of Salaatul Tasbih have purposely censored and left out the view of Sheikh AlAlbani who actually supported the authenticity of Salaatul Tasbih.
Some doubts have been expressed about the above ahadith being weak and therefore it is not permissible to act upon them. To clarify on these points some of the opinions of the ulema have been quoted:Hafiz ibn Hajar al-Asqalaani (RA) states that sometimes a Muhaddith classifies a certain Hadith as weak, very weak or even as a fabrication based on one or two chains that were available to him, whereas there may be other chains through which that Hadith may be classified as Hasan (sound) or even Sahih (authentic). (Anukat vol.2 pg.848-850)
Hafiz ibn Hajar (RA) then mentions the Hadith of Salaat al-Tasbeeh as an example for this and he accepts it to be in fact either Sahih (authentic) or Hasan (sound) and not Dha’eef (weak). (Ibid)Imaam Tirmidhi (RA) says that many Ulama, among them Imaam Abdullah ibn al-Mubaarak (RA), have accepted the virtue of Salaat al-Tasbeeh. (Tirmidhi vol.2 pg.348; Hadith 481)
Imaam Bayhaqi (RA) states that ‘Salaat al-Tasbeeh was the practice of Abdullah ibn al-Mubaarak and may pious predecessors of various eras. And this in fact lends strength to its acceptability.’ (Shu’ubul Imaam vol.1 pg.427; Ilmiyyah)
Allaamah Munzhiri (RA) mentions: Many Muhadditheen have accepted it’s authority from among them are: 1) Imaam Abu-bakr al-Ajurriy, 2) Imaam Abu Muhammad al-Misriy (Ustaadh of Allaamah Munzhiri), 3) Hafiz Abul-Hasan Maqdisi (Ustaadh of Allaamah Munzhiri), 4) Imaam Abu-Dawud and 5) Imaam Haakim. (Targheeb vol.1 pg.468)Allaamah Suyuti (RA) has enumerated upto 20 great Muhadditheen who have accepted its authenticity. Besides those that are mentioned above, some of them are: 6) Hafiz Abu-Sa’eed al-Sam’aaniy, 7) Hafiz Khateeb al-Baghdaadiy, 8) Hafiz ibn-Mandah, 9) Imaam Bayhaqi, 10) Imaam al-Subkiy, 11) Imaam al-Nawawiy, 12) Haafiz ibn al-Salah, 13) Hafiz Abu-Musa al-Madiniy, 14) Hafiz al-Alaaeiy, 15) Imaam Siraaj-ud-Deen al-Bulqiniy, 16) Hafiz al-Zarkashiy and a few others. (al-Laalil Masnoo’ah vol.2 pg.42-44)
The following list of Muhadditheen is of those who have written detailed articles on this matter:
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Imaam al-Daraaniy,
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Imaam Abu-Musa al-Madiniy,
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Imaam ibn Mandah,
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Hafiz ibn Naasirud-Deen ad-Dimishqiy, Allaamah al-Suyyooti.With regards the claim that this was not mentioned by the great Imams of the madhahibm, this lacks the support of explicit quotations from those illustrious Imaams as well as any reference. In fact, the books of Hanafi Fiqh support the view of its acceptance. (refer Shaami vol.2 pg.27; HM Saeed).
And several Shaafi’ee Jurists have also endorsed it, namely Imaam al-Muhaamiliy, Imaam al-Juwaini, Imaam-ul-Haramayn, Imaam Ghazaaliy, Imaam Raafi’ee and others. (al-La-aaliy vol.2 pg.43; al-Azkaar of Imaam Nawawiy pg.242)
Khateeb Baghdaadiy (RA), who is Maaliki, states that there is no reason for it not being permissible. In fact, Imaam ibn Hajar (RA) has mentioned a quotation from Imaam Maaliki from which it could be deduced that it was acceptable in his Madhab. (refer Futuhaat al-Rabbaaniyyah vol.4 pg.321) Qaadhi Iyaad Maaliki (RA) has also accepted its virtue. (Ibid)
As far as Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal (RA) is concerned, Hafiz ibn Hajar (RA) has stated that he had reversed his decision and was possibly inclined towards its acceptability later on. (Futuhaat al-Rabbaaniyyah vol.4 pg.318, 320)From the above, it is apparent that there can be no doubt regarding Salaat al-Tasbeeh being an act of virtue which has been established authentically. And is accepted by a large number of celebrated scholars of Hadith as well as the scholars of Fiqh (jurisprudence).
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It is enough to say that if we follow the Salaf (Pious predeccessors) then we cannot go wrong. Many Salaf like Ibn Al Mubarak supported the authenticity of Salaatul Tasbih and actually recommended praying it. Case closed.
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this might help:
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It is enough to say that if we follow the Salaf (Pious predeccessors) then we cannot go wrong. Many Salaf like Ibn Al Mubarak supported the authenticity of Salaatul Tasbih and actually recommended praying it.** Case closed.**
Peace!
How can you be judge, jury and executioner all in one. Isn't that a conflict of interest?
For a student of learning, assuming you consider yourself that, its highly disliked to have this kind of an approach. You should present what you know, and then let some one else be the judge of it.
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Sh. Yasir Qadhi (Dr.) Dean of AlMaghrib institute was asked about this and this is what he answered many years ago:
Salaam Alaikum
This is one of those hadeeth concerning which there is a lot of controversy. Ibn al-Jawzi considered it fabricated; Ibn Baz considered it weak, as-Suyuti considered it hassan; al-Albani considered it saheeh (need any more opinion ).
In any case, the matn is definetely quite extraordinary, and to be honest something doesn't feel right about it. Allah knows best - if you do it, you have precedent, and if you don't, there are plenty of other voluntary acts that you can do that are not controversial.
And Allah knows best..
Shaykh Yasir Qadhi
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Dr. Ahmad Kutty of Islamic Institute of Canada (Toronto) answered in this way: (mind you he has stated that Ibn Hajar doesn’t support this hadith)
Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and an Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states:
“Salatul-tasbih is a highly controversial form of Salah. While considered by some to be a Nafl entailing great blessings, many scholars consider it as weak, dubious, and, therefore, not worthy of consideration.
Those who uphold and advocate the benefits of this Salah have based their view on the following Hadith attributed to the Prophet, peace and blessings be on him:
“The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said to his uncle Abbas: “O Abbas, my dear uncle, shall I give you, shall I gift you, shall I bestow on you ten special gifts. If you do what I am going to tell you shortly, you will gain the following ten benefits: Allah will forgive all your sins: both the first and the last, the old and the new, the conscious ones as well as the unconscious, the small and the big, the private and the public - ten things altogether. You should perform four Rakahs (of Salah), and in the first Rakah you should read Fatihah and a Surah. After having done so, while still standing, read the following:
“Subhaana Allah, waal-hamdu lillaah, walaa ilaaha illa Allaah, wa Allaahu akbar” 15 times, then you go to Ruku and recite the above again 10 times, then lift your head up from Ruku and say, while standing, the same words 10 times, then, go to Sujud and say the same 10 times, then, rise from Sujud and while sitting say it again 10 times.
Afterwards, you should go back to Sujud again, and say the same words 10 times, then, raise your head from Sujud and, again, say the same 10 times: It adds up to a total of 75 Tashbihs in each Rakah. You must do the same in each of the four Rakahs. If you can do it once in every Jumu`ah do so; if you cannot, then do it once a month, if you cannot, do it once a year, if you cannot, do it once in your life-time at least.” (Reported by Abu Dawud)
The above report is not to be found in the Sahih of Bukhari or the Sahih Muslim or the Muwatta’ of Imam Malik.** It had been unknown to the great Imams such as Malik, Abu Hanifah and, presumably, to Imam Shafi`i, and it was considered strange and unworthy of consideration by Imam Ahmad. **
The above Hadith is listed among the fabricated Hadiths by Ibn Al-Jawzi.** According to Imam Ibn Hajar: “All of the chains of this Hadith are weak” Also, “It is contrary to the prescribed format of Prayer.” Ibn Hajar further added, “It had been declared as weak by both Ibn Taymiyyah and Al-Mizzi.” **In the words of Ibn Al-`Arabi, “There is not a single authentic or sound Hadith on it.” Imam Nawawi has also joined the ranks of scholars questioning the nature of the report as well as the strange format of Salatul-Tasbih, and hence, considering it as unworthy of consideration.
In light of the above, it is only reasonable to state there is no authentic evidence to recommend the practice of Salatul-Tasbih. Besides, we have sufficiency in what has been authentically transmitted from the Prophet, peace and blessings be on him, and accepted by the Ummah at large - such as Salatul-Al-Hajah, Salatul-Istikharah, Salatul-Tawbah, etc, and thus we do not need to resort to such a highly contentious form of Salah. Moreover, we believe that the Prophet, peace and blessings be on him, has conveyed to us plainly and clearly everything we ought to do in this religion of Islam.”
Excerpted, with slight modifications, from: Islamic Institute of Toronto
Allah Almighty knows best
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Wahhabis think everything is Biddah except 28 day Ramadan.
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Sh. Yasir Qadhi (Dr.) Dean of AlMaghrib institute was asked about this and this is what he answered many years ago:
Salaam Alaikum
This is one of those hadeeth concerning which there is a lot of controversy. Ibn al-Jawzi considered it fabricated; Ibn Baz considered it weak, as-Suyuti considered it hassan; al-Albani considered it saheeh (need any more opinion ).
In any case, the matn is definetely quite extraordinary, and to be honest something doesn't feel right about it. Allah knows best - if you do it, you have precedent, and if you don't, there are plenty of other voluntary acts that you can do that are not controversial.
And Allah knows best..
Shaykh Yasir Qadhi
Yasir qadhi doesn't follow Wahhabi Islam anymore....this must be an old article.
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Yasir qadhi doesn't follow Wahhabi Islam anymore....this must be an old article.
He wasn't a "PhD" either like he is now.
However I don't think the approach you are taking is healthy where we jump to label and bucket opposing opinions to justify why we don't like that opinion.
Like I said in my first post, a person can choose to do this act, however since it is not an agreed upon matter, the person should also understand that they probably could spend time in those acts of worship that actually are agreed upon.
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Wahhabis think everything is Biddah except 28 day Ramadan.
Blatant Labelling and mud slinging.
"Almuslimu man salamal muslimoona min lisanee wa yadhehe..."
Not a good thing.
Dr. Ahmed Kutty doesn't claim to be any "wahabi" or "salafi", neither does Yasir Qadhi.
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Shaykh Yasir Qadhi follows Hanbali school of thought very closely. I've attended numerous lectures of his and he has made it clear that some of the teachings of Imam Hanbal may vary from Imam Abu Hanifa and such.
Secondly, Hareem.. what does being wahhabi have to do with having a 28 day ramadan? It was announced that it isn't the case though, iA we are fasting tomorrow but I don't see the connection. Human error in sighting the moon has absolutely nothing to do with the maslik you belong to.
On a side note, I commend Shaykh Abdul Wahhab for doing what he did to bring the Muslims of the Arabian peninsula closer to the teachings of the Quran and Sunnah, rather than follow innovations.. had we in the subcontinent learned something from them, we wouldnt have 72 firqas emerging from that part of the world either!
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Peace!
How can you be judge, jury and executioner all in one. Isn't that a conflict of interest?
For a student of learning, assuming you consider yourself that, its highly disliked to have this kind of an approach. You should present what you know, and then let some one else be the judge of it.
I have already presented my case in the post before that. Can you comment on that post
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I have already presented my case in the post before that. Can you comment on that post
I already did. Read the opinions of acclaimed and much knowledgeable scholars that I posted. One of them has an ijazah in Al Bukhari with the shortest chain to the Prophet (saw) and his specialty is science of hadith as well.
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Shaykh Yasir Qadhi follows Hanbali school of thought very closely. I've attended numerous lectures of his and he has made it clear that some of the teachings of Imam Hanbal may vary from Imam Abu Hanifa and such.
Secondly, Hareem.. what does being wahhabi have to do with having a 28 day ramadan? It was announced that it isn't the case though, iA we are fasting tomorrow but I don't see the connection. Human error in sighting the moon has absolutely nothing to do with the maslik you belong to.
On a side note, I commend Shaykh Abdul Wahhab for doing what he did to bring the Muslims of the Arabian peninsula closer to the teachings of the Quran and Sunnah, rather than follow innovations.. had we in the subcontinent learned something from them, we wouldnt have 72 firqas emerging from that part of the world either!
Agree with most everything except the highlighted part. He actually does not do that in all acts of worship from what I have seen. And in one class on Bukhari he expressed opinions that were not according to hanbali. I think he is a thinking scholar and has evolved in his approach as his knowledge/understanding increased over time.
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And btw on the whole 28 day ramadan thing…
(and yes he would be “salafi” by your name calling, however he doesn’t call himself anything like that.)
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