Sahih Muslim

[Shiatu_Ali]

Just a friendly reminder of a widely ignored/neglected Sahih Hadith:

O people, I am a human being. I am about to receive a messenger (the angel of death) from my Lord and I, in response to Allah’s call, (would bid good-bye to you), but I am leaving among you two weighty things: The One being the Book of Allah in which there is right Guidance and Light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The Second are the members of my household, I remind you (of your duties) to the members of my family.

Sahih Muslim Book#031, Hadith #5920

[The_Jinx]

Re: Sahih Muslim

Jazak Allah Kher for sharing this.

I am going to move this to the Religion Forum.

[TLK]

Re: Sahih Muslim

Just a friendly reminder of a widely ignored/neglected Sahih Hadith:

O people, I am a human being. I am about to receive a messenger (the angel of death) from my Lord and I, in response to Allah's call, (would bid good-bye to you), but I am leaving among you two weighty things: The One being the Book of Allah in which there is right Guidance and Light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The Second are the members of my household, I remind you (of your duties) to the members of my family.

Sahih Muslim Book#031, Hadith #5920

The debate is that who is considered the household? Nawaasa or Wife?

[RUMAR]

Re: Sahih Muslim

What about Damad-e-Rasool (PBUH) Hazrat Ali (RTH). He was damad as well as cousin.

[Shiatu_Ali]

Re: Sahih Muslim

@TLK

The debate is that who is considered the household? Nawaasa or Wife?

I do not know, neither care for any debates.

Not talking about any religious issues, for me personally, the household is both: Wife and Grandsons ( be that Grandsons from the Son's side or the Daughter's side). Having said that I would like to add two more points;

1) Our Progeny in chosen by Allah while we make our own decision to chose our spouse.

2) Spouses can be divorced, while Quran clearly tells us not to cut your ties with your keen folks; so when talking about ones own children, there is no way to divorce your own Grandsons or cut ties with them.

When these points are considered it becomes clear that a person's progeny can never be cut-off from his household, while there is a possibility of a person to cutoff his/her ties with the spouse, even though they are both equally credited to initiate the house hold in the first place.

Allah Knows Best!

[TLK]

Re: Sahih Muslim

@RUMAR

What about Damad-e-Rasool (PBUH) Hazrat Ali (RTH). He was damad as well as cousin.

That depends where the lineage is starting from, when we say Ahl-e-Bait. If its starting from Hazrat Abdul Muttalib, then off course Hazrat Ali is. If its starting from Prophet, then no Ali RA is not.

@Shiatu_Ali

I do not know, neither care for any debates.

Not talking about any religious issues, for me personally, the household is both: Wife and Grandsons ( be that Grandsons from the Son's side or the Daughter's side). Having said that I would like to add two more points;

1) Our Progeny in chosen by Allah while we make our own decision to chose our spouse.

2) Spouses can be divorced, while Quran clearly tells us not to cut your ties with your keen folks; so when talking about ones own children, there is no way to divorce your own Grandsons or cut ties with them.

So Hazrat Khadeejah is not Ahle Bait then, right?

[Shiatu_Ali]

Re: Sahih Muslim

@TLK

That depends where the lineage is starting from, when we say Ahl-e-Bait. If its starting from Hazrat Abdul Muttalib, then off course Hazrat Ali is. If its starting from Prophet, then no Ali RA is not.

So Hazrat Khadeejah is not Ahle Bait then, right?

Hazrat Khadeejah (r.a) was the Wife of our Prophet (saw) and She was the only wife while she was physically alive. If I try to describe her status (rutba) I will only fall short in words. So I better not dare passing my judgement on her status.

The question for me is whether all the Muslims should have remembered there duties towards the family of the Prophet (saw) after His and the His wives physical departure or whether they should have forgotten about the words of our Prophet (saw) which are stated in the above Hadith. If all the Muslims would have remembered His words, then the Karbala's disaster would never have occurred. I think what happened there over-rides any discussion on this matter. At-least for me it does.

[Shiatu_Ali]

Re: Sahih Muslim

@RUMAR

What about Damad-e-Rasool (PBUH) Hazrat Ali (RTH). He was damad as well as cousin.

When talking about Hazrat Ali (a.s), yes He was the son in law and the cousin of the Prophet (saw) and raised by the Prophet (saw) Himself, but He was also more than that. He was present under the Cloak of Panjatan- Pak (the purified). It is a undeniable fact that He is from the family of the Prophet (saw).

[psyah]

Re: Sahih Muslim

The wives, children and spouses of the children of Sayyiduna RasoolAllah (SAW) are considered ahl e bait ... Thereafter the syed lineage.

[Shiatu_Ali]

Re: Sahih Muslim

While talking about the family of our Prophets (saw), I find it appropriate to include another Hadith here :

Narrated Ka'b bin Ujra:
It was said, “O Allah's Apostle! We know how to greet you, but how to invoke Allah for you?” The Prophet said, “Say: O Allah! Send your blessings (Salawat) on Muhammad and his family, the same way as You sent Your blessings on Abraham's family. You are indeed worthy of all praise, full of glory.”

Sahih Bukhari: 6.320

[ramesha]

Re: Sahih Muslim

Shiatu Ali? really?

[Shiatu_Ali]

Re: Sahih Muslim

@ramesha

Shiatu Ali? really?

???

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Sahih Muslim

@Shiatu_Ali

I do not know, neither care for any debates.

Not talking about any religious issues, for me personally, the household is both: Wife and Grandsons ( be that Grandsons from the Son's side or the Daughter's side). Having said that I would like to add two more points; 1) Our Progeny in chosen by Allah while we make our own decision to chose our spouse. 2) Spouses can be divorced, while Quran clearly tells us not to cut your ties with your keen folks; so when talking about ones own children, there is no way to divorce your own Grandsons or cut ties with them. When these points are considered it becomes clear that a person's progeny can never be cut-off from his household, while there is a possibility of a person to cutoff his/her ties with the spouse, even though they are both equally credited to initiate the house hold in the first place.

Allah Knows Best!

Brother Shiatu Ali The Quran enjoins Muslims to select partners who are good and pure.

Women impure are for men impure, and men impure for women impure and women of purity are for men of purity, and men of purity are for women of purity: these are not affected by what people say: for them there is forgiveness and a provision honourable. [24:26]

I am sure you will agree with me that the blessed Prophet Muhammad (saw) was the foremost in following the Quran. And that he was the purest of the pure. Do you agree with this?

All the actions of the blessed Prophet Muhammad (saw) were for the pleasure of Allah Almighty.

So he chose those who were the purest and the best in all qualities to be his wives.

Do you agree with this?

I think you will have great difficulty with agreeing to the blessed Prophet Muhammad's (saw) actions due to your sectarian slant clearly as your ‘name’ suggests.

[TLK]

Re: Sahih Muslim

@psyah

The wives, children and spouses of the children of Sayyiduna RasoolAllah (SAW) are considered ahl e bait ... Thereafter the syed lineage.

So Hazrat Abdullah, Bibi Amnaa, Hazrat Abdul Muttalib, Abu Talib, Hamza, Abbas and all are not?

[Shiatu_Ali]

Re: Sahih Muslim

@Ibn_Sadique

Brother Shiatu Ali The Quran enjoins Muslims to select partners who are good and pure.

Women impure are for men impure, and men impure for women impure and women of purity are for men of purity, and men of purity are for women of purity: these are not affected by what people say: for them there is forgiveness and a provision honourable. [24:26]

I am sure you will agree with me that the blessed Prophet Muhammad (saw) was the foremost in following the Quran. And that he was the purest of the pure. Do you agree with this?

All the actions of the blessed Prophet Muhammad (saw) were for the pleasure of Allah Almighty.

So he chose those who were the purest and the best in all qualities to be his wives.

Do you agree with this?

I think you will have great difficulty with agreeing to the blessed Prophet Muhammad's (saw) actions due to your sectarian slant clearly as your ‘name’ suggests.

Of-course I agree with you about what you said about our Prophet (saw), why wouldn't I? and about my name, I only chose that name to let all know of the school of thought I follow. I do not consider myself to be any less Muslim or any more Muslim to my brothers who follow other school of thought. Especially when I myself follow the Jaffari Madhab and I know that even some the other schools of thought are initiated by the disciples of the same Imam.

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Sahih Muslim

^ Masha'Allah that is very heartening to hear from you that you acknowledge the blessed Prophet's (saw) wives were honourable and pure women (May Allah Almighty be pleased with them all)

@Shiatu_Ali

While talking about the family of our Prophets (saw), I find it appropriate to include another Hadith here :

Narrated Ka'b bin Ujra: It was said, “O Allah's Apostle! We know how to greet you, but how to invoke Allah for you?” The Prophet said, “Say: O Allah! Send your blessings (Salawat) on Muhammad and his family, the same way as You sent Your blessings on Abraham's family. You are indeed worthy of all praise, full of glory.”

Sahih Bukhari: 6.320

Yes, and the Blessed Prophet's (saw) blessed wives (May Allah Almighty be pleased with them all) are included as family in this prayer, which is recited in all the prayers by all Muslims.

[Shiatu_Ali]

Re: Sahih Muslim

@Ibn_Sadique

^ Masha'Allah that is very heartening to hear from you that you acknowledge the blessed Prophet's (saw) wives were honourable and pure women (May Allah Almighty be pleased with them all)

Yes, and the Blessed Prophet's (saw) blessed wives (May Allah Almighty be pleased with them all) are included as family in this prayer, which is recited in all the prayers by all Muslims.

There are some undeniable facts of which non of us can disagree with, some of which I think would be appropriate to mention here:

1) Prophet (saw)' wives are all respectable just for the fact that they are referred to as mother of believers.

2) Being a Human if any of His wives did fall in any kind of error (which is a high possibility) small or big, then we are not the one to Judge. It only up-to Allah to Judge all. Even Hazrat Ali (a.s) forgave a wife of the Prophet (saw) after the battle of camels.

3) Prophet(saw)'s wives are no doubt a part of His family, but non of them were present under the Prophet(saw)'s Cloak according to the following Hadith:
**
1. Hadrat Aisha R.A narrates the hadith of the cloak which happened in a closed room due to her love for the Ahle Bayt: **

One day the Prophet (PBUH&HF) came out afternoon wearing a black cloak (upper garment or gown; long coat), then al-Hasan Ibn Ali came and the Prophet accommodated him under the cloak, then al-Husain came and entered the cloak, then Fatimah came and the Prophet entered her under the cloak, then Ali came and the Prophet entered him to the cloak as well. Then the Prophet recited: "Verily Allah intends to keep off from you every kind of uncleanness O' People of the House (Ahlul-Bayt), and purify you a perfect purification (the last sentence of Verse 33:33)." **
**
Sahih Muslim, Chapter of virtues of companions, section of the virtues of the Ahlul-Bayt of the Prophet (PBUH&HF), 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, Arabic version, v4, p1883, Tradition #61

My intention was not at-all to start any debate, but I honestly thought that there might be many unaware of the all the Ahadiths I poseted above and will be benefited by the knowledge of these Hadith.

Salam!

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Sahih Muslim

^ Salaam to you too.

Inadvertently you are indeed getting into to a debate and very subtly are pitching your sectarian line and it is very noticeable to all.

The verse of Purity was addressed to the pure wives of the blessed Prophet (saw) and may Allah Almighty be pleased with them all.

The blessed Prophet (saw) took other members of his blessed family under the cloak to be included in.

You got to pay attention to the Quran and heed it and not what you are dished in imambargahs

O wives of the Prophet! you are not like any other of the women; If you will be on your guard, then be not soft in (your) speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease yearn; and speak a good word. [33:32]*

And stay in your houses and do not display your finery like the displaying of the ignorance of yore; and keep up prayer, and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying.* [33:33]

[Shiatu_Ali]

Re: Sahih Muslim

All my posts contained were some Authentic Hadith (though widely neglected ones) and some History which is known by all, then why does it appear to you that I was getting into debate? Was it only my screen name because of which my post sounded debatable to you?

Well any way, as I said earlier, it was not my intention to get into debate and apparently we are headed that way; so I leave this thread now. Allah hafiz !

[psyah]

Re: Sahih Muslim

@TLK

So Hazrat Abdullah, Bibi Amnaa, Hazrat Abdul Muttalib, Abu Talib, Hamza, Abbas and all are not?

Technically those blessed people are from the ahl of Sayyiduna Ibrahim (AS) who are also close members of Sayyiduna Muhammad (SAW)'s lineage ... But if talking about lineage ... The start of that lineage should be from the person himself ... Regarding the state of Abu Talib this is at best a great mystery ...