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Can anyone who accompanied the Holy Prophet (s.w.) and saw
him be considered a just sahaabi?

There is no doubt that anyone who acompanied the Holy Prophet
(s.w.)is considered a companion. The companions were very
fortunate because they have seen the Holy Prophet (s.w.) and
benefitted from his holy existence and spirituality. But, at the same
time, we have to say that this accompaniment does not protect the
companion from falling in the wrong, and it cannot be anyone’s
ticket to enter paradise. Rather, true belief in Allah, good deeds,
and adhering to the Islamic shariah is the real security. This is clear from the holy verses, especially the surah of al-Asr.
We don’t have in our hand any hadith or narration confiring that
anyonewho accompanied the Holy Prophet (s.w.) is infallible or
just, or evenpious. On the contrary, we have many verses
declaring that some of theHoly Prophet’s companions were
hypocrite and they remained on their hypocrisy until they died.
Thus, the opinion which says that all the Holy Prophet’s
companions are just, and that they must be obeyed is absolutely
incorrect, rather it contradicts the Holy Quran. How can we regard
all the companions to be just and that they must be followed,while
some of them have accused the Holy Prophet’s wife of having
an illegal relationship?! This event has been mentioned in the Holy
Quran inthe surah of al-Noor, verse 11. Some other companions
were drunkards,like Qudamah ibn Madhoon who had been punished for this act. Walidibn Uqbah was also a companion
about whom the following Quranicverse had been revealed: “O
you who believe! if an evil-doer comes to you with a report, look
carefully into it, lest you harm a people inignorance” [al-Hujurat:6].
Other companions had committed adultry!(See: Usd al-Ghaabah,
vol. 4&5, where you can get more information about their names
and shameful biography in details). How can we adhere to any
companion, while at the same time when we find
out right contradictions between what they say and what they do.
This is besidethe mental, dogmatic, and political disputes that had
happened betweenthe companions themselves? When Abdul
Rahman ibn Awf said to Imam Ali (a.s.) in the gathering when Umar was dying: I swear allegiance to you according to the Quran,
the sunnah of the Prophet, and the way of life of the two caliphs.
Imam Ali (a.s.) said,"No! I accept your allegiance according to the
Quran, the sunnah of the Prophet, and my opinion!"This means
that Imam Ali (a.s.) didn’t agree to follow the way of life ofthe two
caliphs.
Thus, we can ask that:
1- Does investigating the companions’ biographies and way of
lifecontradict the Holy Quran? The Holy Quran itself discloses
many facts and unveils many characters, the following verses are
examples: (1) “Thedwellers of the desert are very hard in unbelief
and hypocrisy, and moredisposed not to know the limits of what
Allah has revealed to HisApostle; and Allah is Knowing, Wise”; (2)
“And of the dwellers of thedesert are those who take what they
spend to be a fine, and what theywait (the befalling of) calamities
to you; on them (will be) the evilcalamity”; (3) “And of the dwellers
of the desert are those who believe inAllah and the latter day and
take what they spend to be (means of) the nearness of Allah”; (4)
“And as for the foremost, the first of the Muhajirs and the Ansars…
and from among those who are round about you of thedwellers of
the desert there are hypocrites, and from among the peopleof
Medina(also); they are stubborn in hypocrisy; you do not know
them;We know them; We will chastise them twice, then shall they
be turnedback to a grievous chastisement” [Tawbah:98-100].
In other Quranic verses we see that the names of some of
the companions have been mentioned in the Holy Quran. In these
versesthey have been considered irreligious, like Walid ibn
Uqbah about whomthe Holy Quran has said,"O you who believe! if an evil-doer comes toyou with a report, look carefully into it, lest you harm a people inignorance" [al-Hujurat:6]. The narrations of Sunni sources have disclosed the name of this person whom the Quran is making reference too. A narration had been mentioned in the Sahih of al-Bukhari (the book ofduas, a chapter on
al-Hawdhöthe poolö) declares the Holy Prophet(s.w.) had said,"I am
your missing baby near the pool. There, some men will be lifted
unto me, but when I come down to lift them up, they will
be scattered around me! At that time, I will say, O my Lord! these are my companions!' He will answer me saying, You don’t know
what they did after you!’
Many traditions have been narrated in The Sunni sources
(Sahihal-Bukhari that are having such meaning - a chapter on
al-Hawdhöthepoolö, vol.8, pp.13,504,505.)
It is incorrect to look at all the companions with one eye; this is in
fact opposite of the Holy Quran. The truth is that many of the Holy
Prophet’s companions were pious and true believers, while there
were some whowere known for their false belief and hypocrisy.
History shows us many examples of such individuals.
2- Is it correct to close our eyes and ears, saying that all the
companionswere pious, good, and that all of their deeds were
credible even if theyhad some deeds which were opposed to the
Islamic law (shar)? 3- Is it right to justify their evil deeds, saying that they were practising ijtihad, and that their wrong doings did not happen intentionally? If they were free to practise ijtihad, why can't we also practise ijtihad?Why is it that some say: You are kafir (an infidel)! if you practise ijtihad?Why do you consider all those who criticizes the companions according to the Holy Quran, kafirs? One of the Hanafi scholars, Ibn Abdeen, had made a nice statement, saying,
“Considering others as kafirs without evidences is the behaviour of
the pagans not the mujtahids!”
4- Can we call this behaviour of yours but extremity and
exaggeration?How could you accuse others of exaggeration and
forget to criticizeyourselves? We haven’t any evidence that the
companions of the Holy Prophet (s.w.) were infallible, but when you
talk about their deeds you talk exaggeratedly, and even at times,
you consider the companions even better than an infallible or the
Holy Prophet (s.w.) himself. However,when the Shiites speak about their Imams as infallible imamas, you accuse them of fabrication and lies! Many Sunni scholars have dared to say that many Quranic verses were revealed according to Umar’s will.Yes,
these words have been written by a Sunni scholar under the
title"Muwafaqaat Umar". The Sunni people perform the prayers known as "taraweeh" in Ramadhan in congregation, while it is an inovation fabricated by Umar.Was such a prayer mention in the sunnah of the Holy
Prophet (s.w.)?When the Shiites practise their deeds according to Imam Sadiq'ssayings and narrations, the Sunni people say that the Shiites refer their deeds to their Imams because they are
masoom, while they (the Sunnis)give a better rank to a companion than the rank of the Holy Prophet(s.w.). This clearly dicloses their contradictions. It is better for those who accuse the shiites of untrue
performance tolook to their beliefs and sayings?
What a beautiful saying that Imam Ali (a.s.) said: “The lover of a
thing is blind and deaf.”
What are the basis upon which Mu`wiyah depended to practise
ijtihad -eventually causing him to wage a savage war against Imam
Ali (a.s.); thewar which caused many eminent companions to die?
It is not logical to interpret some Quranic verses like,“You are best
of thenations raised up for (the benefit of) men,” or “And thus We
have madeyou a medium (just) nation,” etc…, that they are
describing thecompanions and their being just and equal. This is
because it is clear that these verses and others are talking about
the whole ummah not certain individuals. For example, when it is
says that the inhabitants ofthe so city are bettere than others, the
whole inhabitants of that city are included in this expression -
generally speaking, not necessarily meaning each of them.
Anyhow, a person may be pious in the lifetime of the Holy Prophet
(s.w.)and it is possible that he changes his behaviours after his
(the Prophet’s)demise. This is exactly what happened and what
the narrations have told.

These are some things I found that clearly Show that Not All Sahabas are Right!

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So where is Watcher and his fellow "sahabas"

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I usually stay away from this topic (shia-sunni) but, what the heck...lets pitch in. As long as the language is decent and no abuses have started (yet!) ... :)

Some of my statements below may seem naive, but well. Ok, excuse me if I make a mistake. I am not an aalim/scholar like you folks.... ;)

I am quoting stuff from the original post. I assume this article is a cut-and-paste job (due to formatting) but I am sure you, Shah Jahan, stand by every word of it.

1. Can anyone who accompanied the Holy Prophet (s.w.) and saw him be considered a just sahaabi?
Not automatically.

we have to say that this accompaniment does not protect the companion from falling in the wrong, and it cannot be anyone's ticket to enter paradise.
So true. Applies to every one. Except in some cases, where the Prophet (SAWW) may himself promised that some people will have paradise. Again if you dispute this, don't panic...we'll leave it at that.

Rather, true belief in Allah, good deeds, and adhering to the Islamic shari`ah is the real security.
Again very true, and applies to EVERYONE. Just the lineage or relationship is not enough. Remember Hazrat Nooh (RA) son was a disbeliever. So relationship alone won't suffice. But your point is valid.

We don't have in our hand any hadith or narration confiring that anyone who accompanied the Holy Prophet (s.w.) is infallible or just, or even pious.
So true. What is the concept of 'infallible', anyway? B4 coming to these discussion boards, I thought only Prophets (SAWW) are "masoom" (blemishless). I have now been enlightened that there are other ppl who are infallible as well. Is this a sunni concept? Is this a shia concept? ;)

Thus, the opinion which says that all the Holy Prophet's companions are just, and that they must be obeyed is absolutely incorrect, rather it contradicts the Holy Quran
True. Whose opinion is this anyway? You can not obey ALL companions. Some of them may be wrong. As you point out, some may be drunkards, some unjust, some munafiq (in which case they shouldn't even be considered companions) blah blah...

...some of them have accused the Holy Prophet's wife of having an illegal relationship?!
Who are these ppl? I hope none of us, you and me, accept or propagate such allegations. :)

When Abdul Rahman ibn Awf said to Imam Ali (a.s.) in the gathering whenUmar (RA) was dying...
Was it Umar (RA) or Usman (RA)? In any case, Hazrat Ali (RA) was a great faqih, and scholar of Islam. To my knowledge, even in the days of first three caliphs, the rulings of Hazrat Ali (RA) on islamic matters were considered supreme to the rest. Not all companions were faqih. Not all of them issued rulings or fatwas. Only a handful did, and Hazrat Ali (RA) was on top of the list. There is a hadith of the Prophet (SAWW) which says that Ali is the door to (my) knowledge.

1- Does investigating the companions' biographies and way of life contradict the Holy Quran?
No.

the following verses are examples:
I couldn't understand these verses. So it proves, that there were munafiqeen amongst the muslims. Right? True. No dispute.

`You don't know what they did after you!'
So true... Just read history and this will be very true.

It is incorrect to look at all the companions with one eye
Thats the crux of the matter.

The truth is that many of the Holy Prophet's companions were pious and true believers..
This is so true.

If they were free to practise ijtihad, why can't we also practise ijtihad?
Quite true. You can. If you have enough knowledge. Good luck. :)

Why do you consider all those who criticizes the companions according to the Holy Quran, kafirs?
I don't. Are you? ;)

you consider the companions even better than an infallible or the Holy Prophet (s.w.) himself
Really? I had no idea. The idea seems prepostrous to me.

However,when the Shi`ites speak about their Imams as infallible imamas
You said some thing about infallaible early on. Can I just go back and read it.... lets see "We don't have in our hand any hadith or narration confiring that anyone who accompanied the Holy Prophet (s.w.) is infallible or just, or even pious." In any case, no debate. I believe all the 12 Imams to be pious muslims.

Many Sunni scholars have dared to say that many Quranic verses were revealed according to `Umar's will
26 to be exact. They say they were revealed based on dua of Hazrat Umar (RA). Wallah u Alim Bilsawab.... Allah knows best. I don't, and you don't. No debate on this matter.

Anyhow, a person may be pious in the lifetime of the Holy Prophet (s.w.)and it is possible that he changes his behaviours after his (the Prophet's) demise
Very true. Look at Yazid. He saw the Prophet (SAWW) was amongst the companions and how he turned out later on in his life. So true indeed.

Nice article. Keep posting. And please keep the discussion free from abuses and finger-pointing. Right?

The above views are mine. I hope I don't get abuses from both Shias and Sunnis as being a derelict.

Assalam O Alaikum! :)

Don't Blame me...
C'est La Vie :)

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Listen Dear Muslim, one word for your whole statement… “none is appointed a warder on others”

So no matter who did what, a pious becomes scorner or whatever, it doesn’t mean that he/she should be cursed or bashed. Nor it means that cursing them will avail sawab and not cursing will deprive from blessings. Every one is entitled for his/her own deeds, be it a Caliph or a sahabi or an ordinary person.

Moreover you are sketching a scenario where someone pious and humble becomes corrupt after the demise of Prophet Mohammad(sa). My dear this was not only true at that time or today but it was also present during the lifetime of Prophet Mohammad’sa. At dawn people become Muslim, by sunset they turned away to their own faith. This is the routine in those days. But those who had understood the essence of His teachings, they cherished it, practiced it and protected it from harsh conditions. Its only their untried efforts that we today we are born in Muslim families.

Beside all that, still we have Quran and Allah, the source is still pure.

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Missing me Shah Jahan?

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Well, first of all, I am avoiding the debate between shia and sunni. I try to limit it to one post. I know, you won’t agree with me and certainly I do not want to believe anything other than Quran and Sunnah. Since you shias have your own revised version of Prophets sunnah.

Anyway, tell me something: You guys curse Sahaaba and judge them out of nowhere. Who taught you to curse Sahahba? Did Ali told you to curse them, or Hazrat Hussain?

They were the most best guided Muslims. They saw with their own eyes, the practices of Prophet Mohammad. How can they lie or be enemies of Prophet? You need to get out of the coma and face the facts. They were the people who conveyed Islam to many other corners of the world. They were the people who kept the true sunnah of the Prophet in practice and in their daily life for guidence. They could have asked “local Imaams of the era” for help in establishing Islam in every other nation. Just like you shias ask your local imaams for help. No, Sahaba were not like that, they sticked on to the message of Prophet and asked Allah for help and that is why, we have Islam in India, all the way to marroco and in Indonesia.

They were the people who saw Prophet Mohammad with their very eyes. They could have made Prophets Grave as a worship place!!! Astagfirullah, but they did NOT! Look at your self shias, you have made your Imaams graves as worship places, you ask your Imaams for help. You have made “taqiyyah”(concealment of truth, lying) part of your religion that you call Islam, where does it say that lying or concealing truth is sunnah of prophet or Quran alow us to do that? Where is the Islam and Sunnah of Prophet Mohammad in that? Shame on you. Take it easy, bye!

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shah jahan and prestine nice job

zalim and watcher do u know where the grave of Bibi Fatima is? does anyone know?

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I would love to know where you get this grave worship thingy from!

We go to the graves of the great people like you guys go to the prophets tomb! We do the same things for gods sake!

And againg out of you ignorance you did not read the post It is so clearly stated that not All Sahabas can be good guys!

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i asked everyone if they know where is the grave of Bibi Fatima..can anyone tell me please

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[quote]
Originally posted by Shah Jahan:
**I would love to know where you get this grave worship thingy from!

We go to the graves of the great people like you guys go to the prophets tomb! We do the same things for gods sake!

And againg out of you ignorance you did not read the post It is so clearly stated that not All Sahabas can be good guys!

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Shah Jahan, I never been to grave of the prophet, but if anyone goes there, it is only to see, and NOT to pray or ask for help, like you shias do. You guys go on your imaams and saints graves and do all sorts of shirks which Allah asked us not to do.

Again, how do you know if any sahaaba were good and some were bad? How do you come to the conclusion that certain sahaba were good and certain were bad. Anyone who is not the relative of ali, you guys curse them and humiliate them and say that they were bad? How can you judge someone like that, when judging someone is for Allah only.
Who taught you shias to curse and discredit the sahabs, did Ali asked you to do that or Hussain?

Before evaluating the ignorences of someone else, make sure what you know is the truth, certainly you have no idea, but a blind faith in your local imams. Come to QURAN and SUNNAH and NOT your immams!

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Hazrat Fatima is buried in Jannat al Baqee near the mosque in Medina..

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Firstly, the grave of al-Zahra is unknown and nobody knows exactly where it is; some say it is in the Prophet's chamber, others say it is in her house opposite the Prophet's chamber, and there are people who think that it might be in al-Baqi', in the midst of Ahl al-Bayt's graves.

so no one really knows!!

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buhut khoob bhai

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very true

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There are some funny things I picked from you post!

1.U SHIA'S do grave worship!
Is there any thruth in this or is this one of you ignorant mind's(?)thinking?(like you think Shias belive that Ali is also a prophet or he is above the prophet!)

  1. Allah asks us to....
    you are sounding like Allah(astaghfirrullah)is Pleading with us! You should say ALLAH ORDERD US TO

  2. You Shias hate sahabas and All that hate Ali(a.s)!
    Again you are make Shias one person(not a people) And yes We hate anyone who hated or disrespected Hazrat Ali(and I openly delare that!

  3. Quran and Sunnah is right not you Imams!
    This I belive and YOU are not following the Correct Sunnah Why Coz Your Sahihs have shown clear disrespect for Allah and The prophet and his family! And Our Imams have said nothing wrong!

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Well, I don't agree with disrespecting sahabas or wives of the prophet and if Shias want to do that, for whatever reason, it's up to them.

If Mohammed (SAW) didn't curse Aisha, Umar or Abu Bakr why would we? Do we know better? Why do you guys feel the need to convince us of this? Is it going to lead anywhere useful?

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thats a solid point shah jahan brother!

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Anybody? huh?