Saeed Bin Nasir

Do we need accountability system for cricket selectors?

KARACHI: Saeed Bin Nasir, the 24-year-old middle-order batsman from Karachi, must be wondering what more does he have to do to warrant selection in the Pakistan second string side or to secure a place even among the senior team probables.

**After achieving a career first-class average of 45.34 in 35 matches for a total of 2,222 runs, and an average of 54.95 in his one-day career of 32 matches, Saeed should have been a certain selection for the Pakistan academies side that left for South Africa on Wednesday. And to add insult to injury he is also missing from the list of 20 probables announced for the Test series against Bangladesh.

The right-hander, who plays for KRL and Karachi, had terminated his lucrative league contract in Chesterfield to return home early and make himself available for national selection. He was among the 35 players who’re sent letters by the PCB asking for their availability.

This is surprising as everybody who has seen him bat believe he’s a future Pakistan player in the making. But the selectors appear to think otherwise because even after scoring 402 runs in the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy at an average of 50.35 and another 318 at 106 in the Patrons Cup one-day tournament this season, he can’t find a place even in the academy outfit.

Saeed averaged 50 in the Ramazan Cup organised by the PCB this season and was also consistent in the 2001-2002 season scoring 793 runs in nine innings of the Quaid Trophy with three hundreds at an average of 66.**

And yet even such consistent performances didn’t convince the selectors he should have gone to South Africa with the academy side which includes many players who’ve already been tested and not in Saeed’s class.

But perhaps the selectors are working on some “provincial quota system” while picking teams. Perhaps they believe it would not be fair on other provinces that Saeed should also be considered when already there are several other promising batsmen from Karachi who’ve been selected for the Academy side or are among Pakistan probables.

One hopes this feeling is not true but what else can one infer from the way Saeed has been treated after being called all the way from England although the PCB did not give any guarantees to the players and only sought their availability.

When the selectors can pick players like Muhammad Khalil, who has played in only six first-class games, and Abdul Sattar, who’s yet to play a first-class game, among the Pakistan probables why couldn’t the same apply to Saeed?

One hopes the PCB chairman has an accountability system in place for the selectors because when someone as promising as Saeed is ignored, this should not go unnoticed.

Here we go again… Another talented player goes down the drain with regional quota problem(Oh yeah that’s news to me) before his career even kicks off. I just don’t understand why selectors especially Mr. Aamir Sohail have to be so rude and dumb. If you can’t find a qualified person from Lahore, Peshawar, Quetta, Rawalpindi etc etc and you do from Karachi but ignored the qualified player just because it won’t filled the stupid fu-king quota system…that’s absurd and pathetic.

Here’s a guy Saeed Bin Nazir, who holds a perfect record in the Pakistan Domestic Cricket, who can be a good future middle-order batsman for Pakistan and yet he has been ignored by the selectors. He’s not even in the Pakistan ‘A’ Team. Talk about ignorance!

Saeed Bin Nasir Profile

wht you really need is a letter of recommendation from some hot-shot. talent is of no use if you are without recommendations. that is the only way to climb the ladder these days. :~)

EP well said!
People here get annoyed whenever there is an issue brought about regional quotas in Pakistan cricket.
Well this is the solid prove, it still exist. And great players like Basit Ali and now a young talent like Saeed Bin Nasir is being wasted away.

Why?

Why does it only happend with Players from Karachi, Hasan Raza, Basit and other player are example of this BS Quota system in Pakistan.

I don't think this has anyhting to do with regional quotas and if it does it is retarded. It should'nt be a factor especially since Rashid Latif is the captain and Javed Miandad is the coach. I mean you would think they would'nt be biased against Karachi players.

Anyways let's hope this is not the case and if it is, then it's BS and useless. Selection should only be based on merit and talent. If that means the entire team is, or is not, from Karachi then it's fine with me.

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I don't think this has anyhting to do with regional quotas and if it does it is retarded. It should'nt be a factor especially since Rashid Latif is the captain and Javed Miandad is the coach. I mean you would think they would'nt be biased against Karachi players.

Anyways let's hope this is not the case and if it is, then it's BS and useless. Selection should only be based on merit and talent. If that means the entire team is, or is not, from Karachi then it's fine with me.
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Both the captain and the coach have no say on the team selection, which I think they always should.

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Both the captain and the coach have no say on the team selection, which I think they always should.
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Really, they can't even influence selsction. I read that Imran Khan as captain basically chose his players. If that is the case, it is too bad, the captain should have the first word.

Nice topic PT...What can I say...simply Pathetic.

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Really, they can't even influence selsction. I read that Imran Khan as captain basically chose his players. If that is the case, it is too bad, the captain should have the first word.
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Those were the days.
Rashid Latif on the other hand is a very soft spoken guy.

AVerage of 48 and 50 in both first class and One day :eek:. Misbah -ul haq also holds such average and he is being sidelined for wrong reasons.wierd isnt it ?

I just have one question. Why wasnt this regional bull**** raised when Faisal Iqbal kept getting selected infront of Misbah. Could it be because of some regional racism or just because PCB works in a stupid manner. Misbah's records is not only better in ODI's but his first class cricket record is also sueprior compared to Faisal Iqbal's. I dont think it has anything to do with regional system as EP pointed out you dont need talent, what you really need is a letter from some hot shot.

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wht you really need is a letter of recommendation from some hot-shot. talent is of no use if you are without recommendations. that is the only way to climb the ladder these days. :~)
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OR in other words SOURCE.(Uncle-Aunty-Chacha-Mamama connection or Rishwat maybe) If you don't have, you are screwed!

Anyway, PCB was good enough to give a break to Saeed Bin Nasir. It happened because of the circumstances faced by Kamran Akmal in England, otherwise, Saeed Bin Nasir would have never been called to training camp.

LahoriMunda:- I don't know man but regional quota system has been discussion by the editors on The News and Dawn newspapers. Racism has been a part of Pakistan Cricket because of stupid PCB. They govern in such a way it screwed everyone and let the morale of the team down.

Btw, Faisal Iqbal is leading Pakistan A team, which is scheduled to play South Africa and Sri Lanka (Aug-Oct 03); and in terms of Domestic Cricket stats, Saeed Bin Nasir is ahead both of them(Faisal and Misbah).

Misbah is a decent batsman, but he was given a chance against the Aussies in test, in which he didn't do so well but the likes of Taufeeq Umar and Faisal Iqbal played some good knocks, but I prefer him to be a one day specialist.

**Postings of umpires for BD, SA series show PCB bias **

  • I for one was doubtful when Saeed Bin Nasir’s case popped up but this thing seems to be going way out of hands. Cricket is treated as a religion in our country. We follow the game with a lot of passion. I think of all the things cricket should be pure. Select the best freakin talent in the county, I don’t care if someone is from Timbuktu, if he is good enough put him in the middle. There should be some kind of accountability for PCB too and Mr. Zia should be not be given a free hand specially after a string of crazy decision by the old man and a pathetic performance by our team in the world cup. *

By Waheed Khan

KARACHI: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) recently released the list of local umpires posted for the forthcoming domestic international matches against Bangladesh and South Africa along with the umpires of the International Cricket Council (ICC) Elite and International panel.

Not surprisingly, only three umpires - Aleem Dar, Nadeem Ghouri and Asad Rauf - have been given sole right of being posted as either field or TV umpires in the six Tests and eight One-day Internationals against Bangladesh and South Africa.

The PCB, however, has awarded postings as reserve umpires in the two series to Salim Badr, Nazir Jr, Islam Khan, Iqbal Butt, Mian Aslam, Ifthikar Malik, Siddique Khan and Z I Pasha.

Badr a Test umpire has been given postings as reserve umpire in three matches including two tests and a One-day International.

Iqbal Butt of Peshawar and Siddique Khan have got two postings each as reserve umpires in the Tests while the latter is also commissioned to supervise the three-day match of the South Africans in Lahore along with a Grade Two umpire Ahmed Shahab!

Nazir jr and Z I Pasha have got two postings each in the One-day Internationals while Islam Khan, Iftikhar Malik have been given one posting each.

Is it a coincidence that two very prominent umpires from Karachi - Riazuddin and Afzaal Ahmed - have not been given a single match even as reserve umpires in the two series, particularly keeping in mind the reputations and advancing age factors of some of the umpires posted as reserves are under scrutiny.

The PCB in its defence can claim that since Aleem Dar and Nadeem Ghouri are the Pakistan nominees on the ICC International panel of umpires which is basically a back-up and support machinery for the ICC Elite panel of umpires, only they can be posted in the One-day Internationals along with the ICC nominee as field or TV umpires as per ICC instructions.

But one might add here that there have been instances in other countries where cricket boards have nominated umpires outside the international panel for ODIs.

As far as Asad Rauf is concerned one does not remember him being nominated on the international panel of umpires but yet he has been given postings as TV umpire for the Tests and One-day Internationals.

**And again is it a coincidence that all three gentlemen belong to either Lahore or Rawalpindi?

It appears strange that the PCB could not find the credentials of Riazuddin, Saleem Badr, Afzal Ahmed or even Feroze Butt worthy enough to be nominated on the International panel.

Why have all three current umpires been chosen only from Punjab?**

Particularly when one considers that Riazuddin and Badr have served on the ICC panel of umpires with distinction.

The crux of this whole matter is that there is a clear disparity while posting umpires in international and domestic matches on part of those responsible in the Board.

Can either of them explain just what is so special about the Grade-11 umpire Ahmed Shahab that he has been given the responsibility of supervising a touring side’s representative match?

Again the same question; didn’t the Board consider either Riazuddin or Afzaal Ahmed good enough for this posting?

**Even for the one-day practice match that South Africa play in Karachi, Aleem Dar and Ghouri are posted.

This is not an international match and when Dar and Ghouri were already given choice postings in the tests and ODIs, why couldn’t the Board give some other umpires the chance of standing in the practice match. **

Afzaal not many might know is the only Pakistani umpire to have passed the Umpiring exam from Association of Cricket Umpires and Scorers England and has been awarded a full membership in 1995.

Afzaal who played 18 years of first class cricket for Karachi, National bank, Sindh and Pakistan PWD besides appearing in representative matches against touring sides is one of the few properly educated umpires on the scene and is very competent in his job.

Yet he is yet to be given consistent assignments by the Board.

And it is not that he does not have experience of supervising matches involving international since he has done matches involving the West Indies, England, India, New Zealand and SriLanka either as field, TV or the reserve umpire.

Riazuddin for all his personal faults is one of the finest umpires produced by Pakistan, one reason why the West Indies touring side in 1990 had specifically asked the Pakistan board to allow him to supervise all three of their Tests.

The Board has off recent been unhappy with him because of his involvement in local umpiring politics in Karachi and he recently also met the Board Chairman in this regard to clear his position.

The Chairman was not happy with allegations about Riazuddin not having cleared dues of umpires he posted in local matches as Chairman of the Karachi umpires association but even that matter apparently was sorted out before the postings were announced for the Bangladesh and South Africa series.

So why has Riazuddin been ignored now?

The Board might say that some of the above umpires are not accepted by the Pakistani players who have given adverse reports about them.

But than which umpire nowadays does not make mistakes and since when has the Board started taking reports of the players seriously after all there are always strong chances of such reports being biased if the a particular team is not happy with some decisions.

Perhaps the Chairman of the Board, Lt. General Tauqir Zia would do well to look into this serious issue of some deserving umpires getting a raw deal at the hands of concerned Board officials.

is this some sorta punjabi vs. mohajir situation.

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is this some sorta punjabi vs. mohajir situation.
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No this is Pakistani Vs PCB

right on earthquake.

Yaar LM, it seems to me out of hands…Totally. :frowning:

Advocating Saeed Bin Nasir

I was looking through his stats on cricinfo and was surprised to see his avg in ODIs and Tests in Domestic cricket.

Have a look at it yourself:

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I wonder why our selectors haven't given him a chance in intl. cricket. If they can try Junaid Zia, they should definitely try Saeed Bin Nasir too. I am positive that he would show us some results.

He could be the answer for our top order batting problems.

The pic is not clear, can't read so can't comment.

But its very unfortunate for those poor guys who work hard and deserve a chance but can't get a chance because their DAD is not a chairman or a selector of the national team.