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if i live in this country, it's only bc i will soon leave ..., and inshallah i will die ....
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Sorry to quote you out of context, but these were the most compelling parts.
I'm The Best. I don't know where you were when US was asked by Saudi to take care of Iraq and free Kuwait in 199x. But our politicians, mainly religious, had no vision at all. They portrayed exactly what you are doing here. Maulan Noorani (and perhaps others as well) stood up and shouted "Qadam barhao Saddam hum tumharay saath hayn" (meaning step froward Saddam we will fight alongside with you i.e. against kafir USA).
Where was this moulana (or other politicians) when Iraq invaded Kuwait? Did he or others shout against his invasion of Kuwait? I never saw that. May be some governments did some lip service other than Saudis who were made to feel the threat from marching Iraqis. I'm sure if it were not a direct threat to Saudi, they would have not care about it at all.
i remember that time. i was in karachi at the time. the news reports we were getting were that the iraqis were shooting down american airplanes like flies..
lol ..
Salaam to all Muslims,
I'M THE BEST I agree with you not the bit about him being a Muslim though, Allah knows what’s in his heart but his actions don’t reflect Islam, he once donated $250.000 to a church in Detroit and then he donated another $200.000 when he invited the Priest of that church went to Iraq, never know he could be a Christian…
Anyway some important questions are…
Who put him in power in the first place?
I wonder which country’s secret agency it was who carried out mass murders of his political rivals so that the Ba’ath party could be put into power?
Who supplied him with arms?
Who gave him weapons of mass destruction?
Who gave him the permission to invade Kuwait?
Who were his first allies?
The truth is that this is all a big conspiracy against Islam and Muslims, it’s another crusade against Islam. If they wanted to stop him they could have done that then.
He is a puppet of theirs; he has always been all chummy with them before.
But now that the dirty work they wanted him to do is done he has become a tyrant who oppresses his own people.
They don’t give a rats arse about the innocent lives he killed or the well being of Iraqi people or any Muslim in fact they want just the opposite of their well being like does any disbeliever. It’s all greediness for oil and another excuse to shed Muslim blood.
Only gullible fools would lap up what they say; only silly gullible fools…
Their crusade has been going on for a while and it isn’t limited to dropping bombs on the Muslim world or killing our people (because if they did that full fledge they know that there’s going to be trouble because we Muslims don’t fear death since we know the result of martyrdom is Paradise, and also them doing that would have caused more people to start thinking of Islam, analysing it and converting to it).
They have got together and thought over and planned our destruction and they are going to do things sensibly and start with demoralising us through intellectual and cultural invasion and this is far more dangerous for us than them dropping bombs on us.
They are doing and have demoralised us in many ways some of which are… Causing disunity amongst the sons of Muslims by creating nationalism and deviant sects. By spreading harmful social habits amongst our people like alcohol, drugs, gambling etc. By encouraging immoral and vulgar literature and art in the Muslim world to kill the Muslim conscience, invade us intellectually and destroy our morality. By using the Mass Media such as TV, Press, Radio and Cinema to instil corrupt concepts in us and attacking governments that are truly Islamic under the guise of civilisation. By putting their puppet regimes into power over the Muslim lands. By introducing secularism and secular thought. By separating the Muslims from their religion by emptying our syllabuses of the religious content or making them teach a version they approve of. By exhausting the resources of the Muslim world by selling them for very low prices. By keeping the Muslims as ignorant as possible about other Muslim societies so that they wont realise the extent of their human and material resources and will therefore not realise the importance of their solidarity.
Western Imperialism is our biggest enemy; all our present problems are due to western imperialism.
Their only goal is our destruction, our humiliation, crushing our power, robbing us of our resources and taking over the Muslim world. If somebody disagrees with me then please consult history and learn from it, it bares witness to this i.e. the collapse of the Ottoman Caliphate, the end of the Mogul dynasty, the crusades, the end of Muslim Spain and the taking over of the Holy Land from the Muslims and giving it to the Jews, occupation of Muslim lands are just a few examples, the disbelievers still have the same fear and hatred for Islam and the Muslims they haven’t suddenly turned into angels and they want to annihilate us and our religion at all costs.
The Muslim world needs to wake up and break the barriers, which the Kufaar have built amongst brothers before it’s too late
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*Originally posted by Dhulfiqar: *
Salaam to all Muslims,
The Muslim world needs to wake up and break the barriers, which the Kufaar have built amongst brothers before it’s too late
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walaikum assalam
we should break barriers which were creeated due to external infleunce, as well as due to internal issues. Pakistan and Iran's dheenga mushti in afghanistan along shia/sunni lines is just a proof of that. The "Kaffir" (btw your use of the term is incorect as many of them are ahl-e-kitaab i.e. ppl of the book) did not create the rift between sects, we did that ourselves.
whatever the cause of the divide, becoming more united is the answer, and thats tarts by looking inward..not by looking outward and going on the blame game forever.
^ wow dhulfikar ji that was beautiful!!! u just said everything that i wanted but didnt know how to say.
ne how nice to know that there r others on this forum who can think with their head not their fear.
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walaikum assalam
we should break barriers which were creeated due to external infleunce, as well as due to internal issues. Pakistan and Iran's dheenga mushti in afghanistan along shia/sunni lines is just a proof of that. The "Kaffir" (btw your use of the term is incorect as many of them are ahl-e-kitaab i.e. ppl of the book) did not create the rift between sects, we did that ourselves.
whatever the cause of the divide, becoming more united is the answer, and thats tarts by looking inward..not by looking outward and going on the blame game forever.
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The Ahl ul-Kitaab are also from amongst the Kufaar.
The deviant sects were created due to external influence. They Kufaar took advantage of political differences and started inciting hatred amongst the Muslims and made molehills into mountains.
Some differences and disagreements are only natural and are bound to occur amongst any people, but adding fuel to the fire in this case was the work of a Yahoodi.
I do agree though we need unity, and that unity has to be based on the Kitaab and Sunnah.
bass dua keejiye ga ke, kal subha darwaaza kholtay hee koi CIA wala zehr ka teeka na laga jaey mujay… 
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*Originally posted by Fraudz: *
walaikum assalam
we should break barriers which were creeated due to external infleunce, as well as due to internal issues. Pakistan and Iran's dheenga mushti in afghanistan along shia/sunni lines is just a proof of that. The "Kaffir" (btw your use of the term is incorect as many of them are ahl-e-kitaab i.e. ppl of the book) did not create the rift between sects, we did that ourselves.
whatever the cause of the divide, becoming more united is the answer, and thats tarts by looking inward..not by looking outward and going on the blame game forever.
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i agree with that as well, and i'm not saying that we need to destroy the kaffir, i'm just saying that we need to change them, thats our real duty. but first we have to make all those who have been bought by the kaffirs (which is also thier own faults) to come back to our religion, once thats done kaffirs will come to islam themselves. in fact that is what was happening. those of us living here who fought for halaal meat, no interest loans, and built mosques, and didn't say "oh well we can't move on if we dont mix with the kaffirs", those r the people who other people noticed and came to ISlam, those r the people who r the reason that Islam has become one of the biggest religions here in a short time. unfortunately some kaffirs noticed this and felt very threatened by it, and well thats how it all began. this is how i can sum it best for u. we sure have problems within us, but those r not that big of life threatning issues yet, i know shias and sunnis fight all the time, but not this level that kaffirs r trying to kill us with. shia or sunni, they believ in Allah, and that is still better than kaffir, even if its ehle kitaab. the only thing that is making us loose right now is attachment to this world and fear of death. and this is a sign of qayamat. once this fear is lost, there is no power but Allah who can defeat us muslims. and they r trying to kill all those first who have no fear of this duniya and death. cuz if death can't punish us than nothing can. and these kaffirs have fear in every heart beat of theirs, but what they do have is luck, they came to the right place at the right time, that is all.
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*Originally posted by Dhulfiqar: *
:)
bass dua keejiye ga ke, kal subha darwaaza kholtay hee koi CIA wala zehr ka teeka na laga jaey mujay... :(
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that could be me to. in ne case wo waqt bohot kareeb jab hum saab ko inki asliyat nazar ayegi. fear is the worst enemy, and like i said this country has tons of it.
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*Originally posted by I'M THE BEST: *
i agree with that as well, and i'm not saying that we need to destroy the kaffir, i'm just saying that we need to change them, thats our real duty. but first we have to make all those who have been bought by the kaffirs (which is also thier own faults) to come back to our religion, once thats done kaffirs will come to islam themselves. in fact that is what was happening.
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Long on arrogance, short on reality. We don't want you to change us and we don't want to come to Islam. I feel very comfortable in my kaffir skin, thank you very much. As long as you see the world's social, geopolitical, economic and military situations as black and white (Muslim and non-Muslim) you will continue to be frustrated. No one hates or is threatened by Islam. But they are threatened by those who want to change their way of life. Just like many Muslims resent American hedgemony. But c'mon, the kaffir are not out killing Muslims. You minimize sectarian violence within Islam but the fact is that there is much more Muslims killing Muslims than any kaffir ever did.
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but what they do have is luck, they came to the right place at the right time, that is all.
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Sorry but it is not luck. Why would God allow luck to be such a determining factor. He gives everyone a chance, they must make something of it.
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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
Long on arrogance, short on reality. We don't want you to change us and we don't want to come to Islam. I feel very comfortable in my kaffir skin, thank you very much. As long as you see the world's social, geopolitical, economic and military situations as black and white (Muslim and non-Muslim) you will continue to be frustrated. No one hates or is threatened by Islam. But they are threatened by those who want to change their way of life. Just like many Muslims resent American hedgemony. But c'mon, the kaffir are not out killing Muslims. You minimize sectarian violence within Islam but the fact is that there is much more Muslims killing Muslims than any kaffir ever did.
Sorry but it is not luck. Why would God allow luck to be such a determining factor. He gives everyone a chance, they must make something of it.
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Look buddy, for me the world is either Muslim or non Muslim, if u have said ur Kalma u r muslim enough for me, the rest is for Allah to judge. No one is forcing u to come into Islam, infact we would rather not have you come if ur being forced into it. Islam does not need u or ne one else, it is for ur own good. We r spreading the message for ur own good and bc it is our duty to do so. Weather or not u like it, so just cuz u don't wanna come in now doesn't mean I'm gonna stop preaching Islam to u, it's still my farse. If u don't enter the religion it's too bad for u, but who knows maybe someday, something will click. You obviously have an interest in other religions, thats why ur here, not saying that ur not comfy with ur own. And yes not everyone hates muslims, but many unfortunately do, and I'm not saying that we rn't to blame. It is indeed our fault that people have fasle perceptions of Islam, and thats what i try my best to fix, at least within me. Not that I'm a momin, far from it, but I'm trying to grow more into it every day. Unfortunately many muslism who rn't so great, r that way bc their lives have been ruined by kaffir invasions and wars and tyranny, which kaffirs put as leaders. And yes it was luck and test that the pilgirms got here. I say test bc Allah doesn't only test people by taking things away, he also tests them by giving them things. In many of teh muslim countries I suppose that Allah might be testing their faith by taking away things, and in America I think that Allah's testing u by giving u things. Just bc u have a lot of riches doesn't mean Allah is happy with u, maybe Allah's just seeing how much you can chase the worldly things, that will never last, and can be taken away ne time.
And puhlzzz don't tell me how many muslims killed each other and how many kaffirs killed muslims, bc muslims kill each other little by little, but kaffirs have killed muslims many times, and in bulks. just to name a few...the invasions of the Mongolians, slavery(in which many were muslims), in Palestian everyday, in Kashmir everyday, in India everyday, in Afghanistan, and in Iraq. Muslims kill muslims in only one country, and thats Pakistan, everywhere else they r to busy fighting for their lives with a kaffir, so wake up!!!!!
+++Look buddy, for me the world is either Muslim or non Muslim,++
then
++++ if u have said ur Kalma u r muslim enough for me,
HAHAHA
+++You obviously have an interest in other religions, thats why ur here, not saying that ur not comfy with ur own.
Typical kid grown up on healthy doze of mullahism. If kafirs try to be friendly it is because you are the Best and they are impressed by your religion. any kind of attempt at understanding is a weakness.
++++ Unfortunately many muslism who rn't so great, r that way bc their lives have been ruined by kaffir invasions and wars and tyranny, which kaffirs put as leaders.
blame other balame others. We are created the best amongst all humanity but if we are not it is because of others..typical bs.
+++And yes it was luck and test that the pilgirms got here. I say test bc Allah doesn't only test people by taking things away, he also tests them by giving them things. In many of teh muslim countries I suppose that Allah might be testing their faith by taking away things, and in America I think that Allah's testing u by giving u things.
yes yes things just started falling on the continent 500 years ago. they still keep falling...flat screen technology. internet, GPS all just fell from above.
+++Just bc u have a lot of riches doesn't mean Allah is happy with u, maybe Allah's just seeing how much you can chase the worldly things, that will never last, and can be taken away ne time.
Don't worry. allah is never happy with happy people. keep whining.that makes him smile.
+++bc muslims kill each other little by little, but kaffirs have killed muslims many times, and in bulks.
hahahaha.
kiya kiya namoonay hain.
^ do u even make ne sense to ur self? and plzz don't start on that tech crap with me, or else i'll have to post upa whole website on it. to make a long story short, u r right "things just started falling on the continent 500 years ago. they still keep falling...flat screen technology. internet, GPS all just fell from above." and it wasn't 500 years ago, it was since the beginning of time, and the beginning of muslim contributions, with which ur whole basis of technology stands upon. if u don't get it, i'll explain it the long way, but u still probably won't get it.
Salaam,
Sis I agree, our job is to convey the message then after that it’s up to them… a believer should never lower him self to the level of a disbeliever and try to convert them to our way of thinking and acting by force, the truth stands clear from falsehood, if they embrace it willingly Allah will bless them with a happy and content life in this world and in the hereafter they will achieve salvation and be rewarded with the Paradise which no human mind can truly comprehend but if they reject the guidance, then they can never be truly content and at peace the way a believer does in this world and in the hereafter they will be the loser’s who will burn in Hell for eternity. If they take it the gain is their own, if they reject it the loss is their own.
Islam is a religion of mercy but remember it is not a religion of cowardice.
Islam urges us to be kind, gentle, and tolerant and forgiving even towards the disbelievers but not to be scared of them.
We need to unite as one nation and reclaim our lost lands and rule in our land with the law of Allah and it’s the only way in which justice will prevail.
We have to fight when the sacred limits of God have been transgressed, when our brothers are getting killed, our sisters being raped, our young ones are being slaughtered, our Mosques destroyed and our lands occupied but Islam forbids us from fighting against or harming non-Muslim citizens under the states protection in the Land of Islam (their lives, property and honour are considered sacred) or against those nations with whom we have a peace treaty.
You know what I think, people like OBL are also part of this conspiracy against Islam, from the day I first heard of him on Sept. 11 straight away I smelt something fishy going on, I thought to myself a true Muslim can never lower himself to that level and kill innocent women, children and men (a Muslim during Jihad is not even allowed to kill animals or harm vegetation let alone thousands of innocent people) he doesn’t give a rats arse about Muslims of Palestine or wanting the disbelievers to leave the land of the two sacred Mosques… When you look at things from an orthodox Islamic point of view and judge his actions, it all becomes clear, he too has a hidden agenda and an ulterior motive; he is part of this conspiracy against Islam and the Muslims… They wanted an excuse to attack the Muslim lands and put their puppet regimes into power. They will even kill their own people for an excuse to attack Islam.
They wanted to kill two birds with one stone. Attack Islam and defame it.
After all he was once chums with them and where was the flight schools the hijackers received training based at? How believable is it that their intelligence agencies and their security personnel were totally oblivious to what was going to happen? hmm...
This whole, Khaffir Muslim equation you see this world in, reminds me of the sad way in which the Caste System ended up in India.....
You start slotting people into different bands based on faith/birth etc etc and soon you will have 2nd and 3rd class citizens in the same place.....
The Bible-thumpers do it, the overzealous muslims do it and even the Hare Krishna do it. Whats the big deal with everyone follow my religion?
Why is it so difficult to just live and let live?
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This whole, Khaffir Muslim equation you see this world in, reminds me of the sad way in which the Caste System ended up in India.....
You start slotting people into different bands based on faith/birth etc etc and soon you will have 2nd and 3rd class citizens in the same place.....
The Bible-thumpers do it, the overzealous muslims do it and even the Hare Krishna do it. Whats the big deal with everyone follow my religion?
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There is no superiority of Brahmin over Shudra, Arab over Non-Arab, White over Black or Brown over Yellow (or vice versa) in Islam. The only thing that differentiates Muslims from other people is Islam and piety and Islam doesn’t belong to any one caste, colour or ethnicity, it’s God’s gift to the whole of humanity, anyone can embrace it and there’s no barriers to stop them.
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Why is it so difficult to just live and let live?
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I agree with live and let live… …but not at the expense of our Ummah’s religious values, security and interests.
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…Islam forbids us from fighting against or harming non-Muslim citizens under the states protection in the Land of Islam (their lives, property and honour are considered sacred) or against those nations with whom we have a peace treaty.
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They wanted to kill two birds with one stone. Attack Islam and defame it.
After all he was once chums with them and where was the flight schools the hijackers received training based at? How believable is it that their intelligence agencies and their security personnel were totally oblivious to what was going to happen? hmm...
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I've posted a very detailed website on this inside stuff of what really happened, just wondering if u read it? of course many people who couldn't really challenge the website turned their head away or chose not answer.
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cool, where's the link? I'd like to have a look too :)
HERE it is, although I must say that the sight looks a little different since I posted it (know what I mean?), I haven’t been to it since actually. hope u find it interesting. do let me know