Sad state of Muslims today

[ZeeshanParvez]

Re: Sad state of Muslims today

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Peace ZeeshanParvez

If you sat with Mr. Popat for while he would be saying that you too are making your scholars in to God … :hehe: His agreement with you is fake as further discussion will prove, but I’m not sure he will take the bait.

My contention is that if we are affected then we are all affected … Not just those groups who you disagree with … For verily finger-pointing at other groups being wrong is exactly what previous people did.

we can read those Hadith that you posted and we can make our own minds up … As you suggested … But let’s put our own selves under the microscope not other people.

I personally do not see our scholars changing the meaning of ahadith … Rather I see a great effort by them to preserve the texts and the meanings. We can meanings being preserved through oral traditions and poetry … If we pick up Hadith texts without really knowing about previous culture or without having sat with scholars who have unbroken chains of tutelage then we will read and come to our own understandings … That is a big danger.

**We should not become people who reduce the importance of our scholars on account of the references you have provided … The difference between the scholars of the Jews and Christians from our scholars is the fiqh sciences and the honesty … The scholars of the past religions were paid to hide knowledge and give preferential treatment to certain people … I don’t think our scholars are corrupt like that … If they are then let’s see who are hiding Hadith and who are not look at the whole picture …
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And by the way … Nice long list of references … But you know if what you say is right about itiba or (verification) then I can’t accept what you have written until I have read these myself … From the books that you have taken them from assuming you did actually take them books and not some website, well after I find each of these in the books that you given I need to ascertain who compiled the books and who translated them, and verify their translations too, if they cited other books then I have to seek those out too … Until I can say that I have got something that I can prove through a chain of transmission that goes to those people … But since you have given us these quotes and you believe in itiba then hopefully you would surely have done this effort yourself … So please for all of these references can you provide the chains as well? If not … did you do any taqleed of the website, translation or any of the above yourself?

First, people can make up their minds as to what they understand from what I have posted. I really, don’t have the time to get into arguments.

Second, the Hadith is of general import 'Aam in meaning. No one is excepted. The whole Ummah is included and everything is pretty clear as how we are following in their footsteps. Drinking, alcohol, fornication, music, waste of time, arguing, discussing issues related to the Zaat of Allah, making blind following of scholars even when they tell you Istighatha is allowed. Again, like I said I am not going to go into any debate. Debates lead to finger pointing at certain individuals and this spikes up the emotions of those who love those people.

Third, I do not know what you mean by finger pointing in my post. I have simply put down the Hadith in this matter. I have not pointed out any scholar or shiekh or anyone else who has hidden Hadith. However, let me give an example. The author of Darul Mukhtar has put fabricated Hadith in his Book about Abu Hanifah which are
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وعنه عليه الصلاة والسلام { إن آدم افتخر بي وأنا أفتخر برجل من أمتي اسمه نعمان وكنيته أبو حنيفة ، هو سراج أمتي } وعنه عليه الصلاة والسلام { إن سائر الأنبياء يفتخرون بي وأنا أفتخر بأبي حنيفة ، من أحبه فقد أحبني ، ومن أبغضه فقد أبغضني }
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"He (PBUH) said Verily Adam does Fakhar of me and I do Fakhar of a man (who will be) from my Ummah whose name is Nuaman and his Kunyah is Abu Hanfiah. He is the siraaj of my Ummah.

And He (PBUH) said Verily all of the Prophets do Fakhar of me and I do Fakhar of Abu Hanifah, he who loves him then he has loved me and he who shows dissent to him has shown dissent to me."

You can view the entire book Radul Mukhtar which is the Sharah of this book online here . The link will take you to the exact page where these narrations are present.

Both these narrations have been rejected by the Muhaditheen of the past and even the Hanafis of the present have rejected them. This shows that there is information present and has been circulating in the Ummah which is not authentic and one cannot do Taqleed (blind following).

Fourth, in terms of Jurisprudence the word Talqeed is not applied to taking information from a website.

Fifth, I did not take the translations. I translated them. I by the Grace of Allah know how to read Arabic.

If you want to access those books then you can download the Makktaba Shamila (simply click on the link) which consists of over 6000 books on Islamic sciences and confirm these yourself.

Hopefully, you know how to read Arabic which I doubt since if did you would not need to verify the translation as the Arabic is right above what I have written below!