Sad state of Muslims today

Re: Sad state of Muslims today

Peace ZeeshanParvez

If you sat with Mr. Popat for while he would be saying that you too are making your scholars in to God … :hehe: His agreement with you is fake as further discussion will prove, but I’m not sure he will take the bait.

My contention is that if we are affected then we are all affected … Not just those groups who you disagree with … For verily finger-pointing at other groups being wrong is exactly what previous people did.

we can read those Hadith that you posted and we can make our own minds up … As you suggested … But let’s put our own selves under the microscope not other people.

I personally do not see our scholars changing the meaning of ahadith … Rather I see a great effort by them to preserve the texts and the meanings. We can meanings being preserved through oral traditions and poetry … If we pick up Hadith texts without really knowing about previous culture or without having sat with scholars who have unbroken chains of tutelage then we will read and come to our own understandings … That is a big danger.

We should not become people who reduce the importance of our scholars on account of the references you have provided … The difference between the scholars of the Jews and Christians from our scholars is the fiqh sciences and the honesty … The scholars of the past religions were paid to hide knowledge and give preferential treatment to certain people … I don’t think our scholars are corrupt like that … If they are then let’s see who are hiding Hadith and who are not look at the whole picture …

And by the way … Nice long list of references … But you know if what you say is right about itiba or (verification) then I can’t accept what you have written until I have read these myself … From the books that you have taken them from assuming you did actually take them books and not some website, well after I find each of these in the books that you given I need to ascertain who compiled the books and who translated them, and verify their translations too, if they cited other books then I have to seek those out too … Until I can say that I have got something that I can prove through a chain of transmission that goes to those people … But since you have given us these quotes and you believe in itiba then hopefully you would surely have done this effort yourself … So please for all of these references can you provide the chains as well? If not … did you do any taqleed of the website, translation or any of the above yourself?