While everyone praises VIKO for his dazzling performance,I believe Sachin also deserves a great deal of applause.His record against Pakistan is unmatched and is superb to any extent.Even yesterday after losing GAGA in the first over it was Sachin who had started attacking Pak bowlers and led the team from the front in the initial stages before VIKO took over.He was seen motivating VIKO and never let the R.R go down. VIKO had taken some time before settling down.
Only a selfless,dedicated motivated player like Sachin can do that. Thank you great Little Master for your innings. We expect for from you ye dil mange more
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dude, are you serious…
selfless word can only go with dravid..how many times tendu changed his batting position for team sake?.. prolly ZERO …and drvaid kept the wicket for team when he hated it (he said it publicly) as it impacted his batting but he kept on doing it forever for his team … indian think tank always used dravid as a cushion when it came to the batting order..even asked him to open in test matches in tough conditions and he duly obliged…would tendu ever do it? I really doubt it…
and for me, what happened in the BD match is a clear reflection of tendu… and there is a reason why “taqdeer” planned tendu to score his 100th century this way…that pretty much summed up his career… he is not evil or anything… he has done so much for india but tendu always thinks of his own as well…he thought that india will beat BD no matter what, so lets make sure I score my century even if i have to waste 15-20 balls. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN the BD MATCH…rest is just interpretation … and to me that is pretty pathetic. India lost the match… dravid would have never done that…
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I am big fan of Sachin but I could not disagree more. He is just another dude in the long list of mumbai culture of batsmen(Gavasker, Shastri, Vengsarkar et) who give a lot more importance to their personal goal than team goal. I will give you three well documented instance which might change your mind.
Multan Test: This is the test where Sehwag scored triple century and Sachin scored 194*. Sachin was given a set time by then captain Dravid to score his double but he ignored the instruction and slowed down. In order to force the result in that game Dravid went ahead and declared leaving Sachin stranded at 194. Sachin is such a selfish guy that he went ahead and made an issue out of it in press conference.
Batting order change: After the rise of Sehwag in 2001, India suddenly has three world class ODI openers(Sachin, Saurav and Sehwag). Till then Sachin and Saurav were very successful opener ( probably greatest in ODI history). But Sehwag brought lot of flare and aggression at the top of order. Team decided that best strategy would be do ask Saurav and Sehwag to open and let Sachin play at #4. This will give left-right combination at top and experience of Sachin will be very important at #4 where he can play role of finisher. This was tried for sometime but this dried by Tendulkar’s century. It is hard to score 100s consistently at #4. Sachin showed his displeasure and considering his popularity and stature team relented. Poor Saurav agreed to play in middle order for the sake of team.
100th 100 v s Bangladesh. This was the worst 100 by Sachin. Because of his love for 100 India lost the match and is facing elimination from Asia cup. 2 days later Virat showed how many run can be scored in 140 deliveries against a better bowling attack. His hundred and India’s bad bowling in death caused India to lose that game.
Donot get me wrong. Sachin is a fantastic player and if someone said that he ALWAYS plays for his record then I will totally disagree. But to say that he is selfless is also not correct. He has shown many times that he puts his personal record ahead of team’s. For me team’s win is most important. Records are just incidental. A good example of players who played for team would be Dravid, Kumble, Ganguly and Dhoni.
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lol
looks like ur assuming on ur own.
never saw sachin giving any interview about double century,infact it was the media.
someone here saying dravid would have scored better and other one saying virat scored in much lesser balls,have to look at condition of game defferent suitiation.not just tendulkar any player who is out of form will take his time,sachin has strike rate close 86 it's stupid to say he plays slowly.
and trust me if u remove most of runs sachin scored 90 percent of indian victories would have been into failures..
Re: Sachin's the selfless ,dedicated, gem of a character ...
I am big fan of Sachin but I could not disagree more. He is just another dude in the long list of mumbai culture of batsmen(Gavasker, Shastri, Vengsarkar et) who give a lot more importance to their personal goal than team goal. I will give you three well documented instance which might change your mind.
Multan Test: This is the test where Sehwag scored triple century and Sachin scored 194*. Sachin was given a set time by then captain Dravid to score his double but he ignored the instruction and slowed down. In order to force the result in that game Dravid went ahead and declared leaving Sachin stranded at 194. Sachin is such a selfish guy that he went ahead and made an issue out of it in press conference.
Batting order change: After the rise of Sehwag in 2001, India suddenly has three world class ODI openers(Sachin, Saurav and Sehwag). Till then Sachin and Saurav were very successful opener ( probably greatest in ODI history). But Sehwag brought lot of flare and aggression at the top of order. Team decided that best strategy would be do ask Saurav and Sehwag to open and let Sachin play at #4. This will give left-right combination at top and experience of Sachin will be very important at #4 where he can play role of finisher. This was tried for sometime but this dried by Tendulkar's century. It is hard to score 100s consistently at #4. Sachin showed his displeasure and considering his popularity and stature team relented. Poor Saurav agreed to play in middle order for the sake of team.
100th 100 v s Bangladesh. This was the worst 100 by Sachin. Because of his love for 100 India lost the match and is facing elimination from Asia cup. 2 days later Virat showed how many run can be scored in 140 deliveries against a better bowling attack. His hundred and India's bad bowling in death caused India to lose that game.
Donot get me wrong. Sachin is a fantastic player and if someone said that he ALWAYS plays for his record then I will totally disagree. But to say that he is selfless is also not correct. He has shown many times that he puts his personal record ahead of team's. For me team's win is most important. Records are just incidental. A good example of players who played for team would be Dravid, Kumble, Ganguly and Dhoni.
spot on with enough anecdotal evidence...great post.
arlei, ...you have absolutely every right to open any thread but as I read it, there is nothing in it that suggests you needed a separate thread ... except of course rubbing a bit of salt into our wounds! all you are saying is that tendu is the most selfless soul ever embarked on an indian soil ... and that all us of shd salute him for that ... but guess what, you could have expressed that in million of other threads that are already there ... so dont impose your views on rest of the members by opening such threads...
That is where I disagree. It does not matter of you are out of form or not, team cause is most important. Nothing justifies his crawl from 80-100 in 36 balls, bulk of which was in power play. While he was playing slow, Raina was blasting them all over. So there was nothing in pitch. As soon as he scored 100, he was able to score back to back fours. Apparently he was out of form only when he was between 80-100.
Just FYI, This was his 2nd slowest 100 and he had played for 23 years in various tough conditions and against better bowling. This one came against a lousy attack and best of batting conditions. India should have scored 350 in that match.
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if sachin got out quickly,match could have gone other way too...
couple of wickets who knows,and i really disagree with part him being selfish i dunno from when ur following cricket,i have seen countless times where sachin took india to victory or even close to winning a match while most of the team failed,i know he is one of the player who walks out even when umpire doesn't give him out..
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Sachin is as human as the rest of us, and if once in a while he has played for records we should grant him that.
I don't think Dravid is in any way more selfless that Sachin. The reason Dravid has fewer records is that he is not as good a batsman as Sachin. Sachin is like Federer - there might be other players who are better at a single shot, but the variety of shots that Sachin has is unmatched.
22 years, 650 international matches, ~ 34,000 international runs, 100 international centuries and and great batting average in both Tests and ODIs. Need I say more ?
Re: Sachin's the selfless ,dedicated, gem of a character ...
Sachin is as human as the rest of us, and if once in a while he has played for records we should grant him that.
I don't think Dravid is in any way more selfless that Sachin. The reason Dravid has fewer records is that he is not as good a batsman as Sachin. Sachin is like Federer - there might be other players who are better at a single shot, but the variety of shots that Sachin has is unmatched.
22 years, 650 international matches, ~ 34,000 international runs, 100 international centuries and and great batting average in both Tests and ODIs. Need I say more ?
who is debating tendulkar's record and his services to india?....no one
the issue is abt being selfless and putting the team ahead of your personal cause all the times no matte what....on that front, tendu's record is absolutely fine for most part but not as glorious as some of his counterparts esepcialy dravid.... that is all ... i completely disagree when you said that Dravid is in any way not more selfless that Sachin....I dont know them perosnally (of course) but based on the cricket history and the track record that is publicly available and published, dravid has made far more adjustments for the indian team than tendu....WK is the biggest example...
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I am gonna open a thread on how great of a batsman Miandad was, then how great of a batsman Yousuf was, and then how great of a batman Afridi is (okay may be not the Afridi one lol)..................
Re: Sachin's the selfless ,dedicated, gem of a character ...
Sachin is as human as the rest of us, and if once in a while he has played for records we should grant him that.
I have strong objection on this statement. And it seems most of Indian fans are ok with what you just said. No one is above the game. Only reason for any player to play game is to win. If record happen in that process then great. Also this 100th 100 is man made record. If he finished his career at 99, he will not be less of a legend. If anyone can break 99th which is impossible to do then they can break 100th too. Bradman did not play another inning to achieve elusive average of 100. I guess that is the difference between Desi and Aussie style.
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Sorry to be sucked into this thread! but I totally agree with aftabu. I dont care who you are. It's a team sport. You play for the team. You may not play for your own records "once in a while".
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I dont understand why this thread opening shold be questioned. If there were specific criteria that need to be strictly followed for opening a thread, God help us all.
Considering there is lots of controversy on Sachin's effectiveness (read quality vs quantity of century thread), IMO, it is perfrectly OK for a Sachin supporter/fan to open a thread highllighting his achievements etc.
Granted last century was a bit selfish. Granted he slows down in the 90s. Several batsmen are known to suffer from NNS - (in honor of OP, I used this abbreviation from nervous nineties syndrome).
As for Tendulkar's effectiveness, his record of win/loss percent when he scores more than 50, 50, 70, 80, 90 ot 100 speaks for itself.
For those who tarred Bombay barsmen Gavaskar, Vengsarkar and Sastry, sorry - Bombay batsmen those days were the best - ruthless efficiency and killer instince. If Indian team was comprised of just Bombay batsmen, we would have done much better. And I say this as a Tamil Nadu/Karnataka supported from those days.
Re: Sachin's the selfless ,dedicated, gem of a character ...
who is debating tendulkar's record and his services to india?....no one
the issue is abt being selfless and putting the team ahead of your personal cause all the times no matte what....on that front, tendu's record is absolutely fine for most part but not as glorious as some of his counterparts esepcialy dravid.... that is all ... i completely disagree when you said that Dravid is in any way not more selfless that Sachin....I dont know them perosnally (of course) but based on the cricket history and the track record that is publicly available and published, dravid has made far more adjustments for the indian team than tendu....WK is the biggest example...
LOL...so is your next line or arguement going to be that Irfan Pathan is more selfless that Sachin since he has bowled, batted higher up and lower down the order and also been made to sit out of the team ?
What about the fact that Sachin has bowled at crucial times and taken 200+ international wickets ??
Lets not forget that Sachin is a specialist top order batsman, he is not in the team for his wicketkeeping or bowling skills.
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