Sachin 10Dulkar -- Things are changing for him ??

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Originally posted by sambrialian:
Guys, believe you me, I will pick our trio over the Bharati trio any day. I was just trying to go by the international perceptions of the aforementioned players. Come one, you have to admit that our bats are not as reputed as the Bharatis. Anyways, do consider the entire point I was trying to make before getting on my case.
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I guess thats the main discussion that Indian batsman are overrated thats y they have so called "reputed". I m not saying that they are no-Good but they are no-God and for sure are overrated.

and btw don talk abt reputation anyway coz 10dulkar now has a reputation of being "not up to mark when WANTED".

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Originally posted by sambrialian:
** For one things, I think everybody realizes that Inzi is a nice guy and won't mind a joke at his expense. I personally don't think it's a good idea but he is known to be a mellow sort of a guy bar the one Toronto incident.**
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Hello, I know Inzamam is a very nice guy and I wasn't talking about him, I was talking about the spectators. That's not a joke, to borrow a word from you, It's 'Jahalat'.

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I'm pretty sure that come Bharati ODI's Dravid bhai will be playing in the team! About the Was and Latif gaffe, you tell me are they rated as highly as Dravid or the other Bharati batsman that I mentioned?
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Dravid is gonna play in the oneday team until we find a more reliable batsman. Akram and Rashid may not as good as Dravid but Akram has a double Century under his name Rashid is a very good batsman and has bailed out Pakistan many a times. By any chance, you are not suggesting that it's okay to that since these two gentlemen are not as good as Dravid. Are you ?

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I would just like to mention one last thing here. In my post, I only posted my views on cricket. I did not insult you or your country. I see that your post was edited by Ehsan so I'm assuming that you must have been taking this whole thing to a personal level. Please, don't do that. Just because sometimes people don't respond in the same currency does not mean that they don't understand what you are saying. Let us realize that discussions here are supposed to be limited to cricket or cricket players. And I assure you that next time if you don't refrain from personal insults, I'll teach you a lesson in exchanging insults. Peace!
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First of all I didn't insult you or your country in that post edited by Ehsan ( you can confirm with him) so give your mind some rest, and believe me I am not the one to sit back and enjoy if anyone tries to get personal with me.
BTW, you did Insult us Indians by calling us Bharatis in derogatory way(Same way when you are called Pakis).

AK

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*Sour grapes !!! About your boys going all out for a win..Ask Amir Sohail *

Please tell me what did you mean by that, posting smilies is not intimitading anyone.

*Also must I remind you of the Sri Lanka Match where 13 runs were required off 4 overs and Akram/Latif pair was batting. What happened after that ?? *

I don't think Wasim and Rashid need to worry about their averages, they are not specialists batsman like Dravid, it was the brilliant bowling by Vaas and Zoysa that kept the two from scoring, please go watch the match before you reply next time.

*Anil is also going to be there (Remember last time what he did to you). *

The guy is having a hard time making in the top 11 against WI, how will he ever be able to play against Pak.
You know who else is going to be there?
The Pindi Xpress, make sure to hide your so called the big 2, Sachin, Dravid, I guess you remember the last time what happend when our Pindi Xpress encountered the so called big 2.
I'm preety sure you were crying like Kapil, when you heard the news that Saeed was back, now even more excuses not to play us.

Neutral Umpires?
If wasn't for your umpires the poor Zimbabweans would have clean sweeped the one day series couple months ago.

*Why no 100 mph this time ?? Ohhh Rawalpindi passenger is injured and cant bowl at full speed *

Keep your pants on buddy, no need to get too excited there, he is in form and just a minor injury, I bet you are happy he is injured, but don't worry, he will back before India runs out of excuses not to play Pak.
Too bad, poor Zaheer Khan couldn't get the job done in Barbados when tryed to act like Shoaib, by throwing the ball at one of Windies batsman for no reason, he missed the stumps and hit the batsman, what was that?
If he wants be like Shoaib, he needs first come to Pakistan, eat meat, and try to get a god length.

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Hello, I know Inzamam is a very nice guy and I wasn't talking about him, I was talking about the spectators. That's not a joke, to borrow a word from you, It's 'Jahalat'.**
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So what else do you want me to say? I said that according to my moral principles I do not call anyone names especially if it is intended to make fun of them. And I still stand by what I said! It is Jahalat! Any more confessions you want from me? Now is the time! Come get 'em while they're hot!

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Dravid is gonna play in the oneday team until we find a more reliable batsman. Akram and Rashid may not as good as Dravid but Akram has a double Century under his name Rashid is a very good batsman and has bailed out Pakistan many a times. By any chance, you are not suggesting that it's okay to that since these two gentlemen are not as good as Dravid. Are you ?**
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No I'm saying that they don't have the "rock solid" technique that our god Dravid has been blessed with. And so they do not deserve to be hammered especially since they did not try to play out the overs to preserve their already mediocre averages.

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Originally posted by Asif_k:
** First of all I didn't insult you or your country in that post edited by Ehsan ( you can confirm with him) so give your mind some rest, and believe me I am not the one to sit back and enjoy if anyone tries to get personal with me.
BTW, you did Insult us Indians by calling us Bharatis in derogatory way(Same way when you are called Pakis).
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OK, finally I can sleep now. About insulting you by calling you a Bharati, in my mind India died on 14th of August, 1947. Bharat and Pakistan were born. Simple! You might think it wrong but then again I can't help that, right! I don't mean to call you Bharatis out of disrespect as is often the case we are called Pakis but simply because that happens to be your identity.

BTW, agreed BAYWAQOOF! You seem to understand what I was losing my sleep over!

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Please tell me what did you mean by that, posting smilies is not intimitading anyone.

Umair, You know very well what I meant, and hey I wasn’t intimidating, was LMAO when one of your countryman called Inzamam/YOYO as less talented than Gangs and Dravid

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I don’t think Wasim and Rashid need to worry about their averages, they are not specialists batsman like Dravid, it was the brilliant bowling by Vaas and Zoysa that kept the two from scoring, please go watch the match before you reply next time.

Wasim Sure doen’t need to worry about, But Rashid Does - Otherwise Moin is sitting out there just waiting for him to make one mistake. Rashid Just survived this time, One more time he does that, his house will be stoned and he will be out and Moin will be in.

One more thing - When it comes to Wasim and Rashid - The bowling was excellent, but Why cant it be the same with Dravid ?

The guy is having a hard time making in the top 11 against WI, how will he ever be able to play against Pak.You know who else is going to be there?The Pindi Xpress, make sure to hide your so called the big 2, Sachin, Dravid, I guess you remember the last time what happend when our Pindi Xpress encountered the so called big 2.

Man - You have a very short memory, Let me remind you Last time when He played he took all your wickets. Also, Sachin is ready - just tell Pindi Passenger not to chuck this time, Anyway we are going to call Darell Hair as one Umpire and Ranjan Madugale as the Third Umpire.

I’m preety sure you were crying like Kapil, when you heard the news that Saeed was back, now even more excuses not to play us.

No I was Jumping Like Miandad (Remember 1992)

Neutral Umpires?If wasn’t for your umpires the poor Zimbabweans would have clean sweeped the one day series couple months ago.

Dont even go there, Your Umpires hold world record in giving LBWs.

If he wants be like Shoaib, he needs first come to Pakistan, eat meat, and try to get a god length.

Check you facts…And may I repeat what I said about you knowledge of Fast Bowling..Nah…It’s never enough..

Sambri - I guess you dont keep track of Indian cricketers technique and performances in Tests and Onedayers. Rahul Dravid has long been dubbed as a Test Batsman and no one wants him to be in the Oneday Team but Since we dont have enough talent to fill his slot, he is there. It’s something similar to Afridi’s case - You know he Doesn’t have the technique for a Test batsman but he is still there. I hope you got my point. (If you still didn’t, please let me know, I have a better example for you)

AK

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Rashid was brought in the team specifically for his wicket keeping, not batting, he is a way much better wicket keeper, and as far as batting is concerned its nice that he can also bat but the main concern is keeping which he is doing a really good job at.

I do remember that match, infact I watched that match last night, just like rest of his team, he is also a “Hero at Home, Zero Aboard”
Once again, going back to the chucking, why can’t you get over with the fact that he does not chuck and everyone are jealous of his success, he even bowled in front of Darrel Hair, the man who accused him of throwing didn’t say anything, the people who started this whole fiasco accepted their mistake, so you need to get over it as well, leave the jealousy behind.

Yes I don’t know many stuff about cricket and fast bowling but I don’t brag about my knowledge about cricket and say India hasn’t lost a one day series in the last 16 years!!

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Originally posted by UMAIR316:
Rashid was brought in the team specifically for his wicket keeping, not batting, he is a way much better wicket keeper, and as far as batting is concerned its nice that he can also bat but the main concern is keeping which he is doing a really good job at.
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So it's okay for him not to score 13 runs in last 4 overs. ?

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I do remember that match, infact I watched that match last night, just like rest of his team, he is also a "Hero at Home, Zero Aboard"
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Look who is talking. we are at least Heros at Home, What about you ZEROES AT HOME SEROES ABROAD. Haven't won a single away series against a quality team in last 50 years and tell us that.We are better than you in that since, We won a series against West Indies way back in 1971.

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Once again, going back to the chucking, why can't you get over with the fact that he does not chuck and everyone are jealous of his success, he even bowled in front of Darrel Hair, the man who accused him of throwing didn't say anything, the people who started this whole fiasco accepted their mistake, so you need to get over it as well, leave the jealousy behind.
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Jealous and me...of what ?? If you were talking about Akram, Yes could have been jealous that We dont have anyone like him, but Shoaib Akhtar bowling to a half strength NZ team and took couple of wickets, No way..We have had our own One match bowling wonders... About Me getting over the chucking fiasco, I will when ICC gets over it. Until then bear with me.

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*Yes I don't know many stuff about cricket and fast bowling but I don't brag about my knowledge about cricket and say India hasn't lost a one day series in the last 16 years!! *
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Yes that was a statistical mistake, I did miss one team there West Indies, but the whole point was that India had not lost many series at home. But next time I will make sure there are no statistical mistakes as well because You seem to bring in that Issue everytime you can argue the topic of the thread

AK

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Originally posted by Asif_k:
One more thing - When it comes to Wasim and Rashid - The bowling was excellent, but Why cant it be the same with Dravid ?

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Coz Rashid is in team coz of his wicketkeeping, Wasim is in team coz of his bowling but DRAVID is supposed to be a specialist BEATMAN (with all batting skils that wasim and rashid are lacking) and should upset excellent bowling attack

So dont put oranges and apples in one line

Marriage revolves around 3 rings Engagement Ring **, **Wedding Ring and Suffering

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So it's okay for him not to score 13 runs in last 4 overs. ?
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Once again you don't get my point, like Baywaqoof said, both are players brought into the team for their specialties, bowling and wicket keeping, not batting, it was Afridi, Inzi, Youhana, Younis, and Imrans job to score runs at a fast rate.

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** Yes that was a statistical mistake, I did miss one team there West Indies, but the whole point was that India had not lost many series at home. But next time I will make sure there are no statistical mistakes as well because You seem to bring in that Issue everytime you can argue the topic of the thread **
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Don't forget South Africa and Australia and how many times India has to lost to Pak in one day tournaments.

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** but Shoaib Akhtar bowling to a half strength NZ team and took couple of wickets, No way..We have had our own One match bowling wonders... About Me getting over the chucking fiasco, I will when ICC gets over it. Until then bear with me.
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This is the same guy who annihlated the Srilankans in Sharjah, were they half strength, oh yeah, Murali wasn't batting, so they must be a half strength team.
When he took 6/16 in Karachi, all of their key batsmans were playing with the exception of Cairns, NZ was missing their good bowlers, not batsman, Astle and Harris were injured in before 2nd one day,
Once again go watch the match before speaking.
ICC doesn't have a problem with Shoaib, or else he would not be playing rightnow.
Samething with Murali, thats what makes a great bowler.

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** Look who is talking. we are at least Heros at Home, What about you ZEROES AT HOME SEROES ABROAD. Haven't won a single away series against a quality team in last 50 years and tell us that.We are better than you in that since, We won a series against West Indies way back in 1971.
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Live in the past buddy, that will get you no where, keep praising you Gavaskar and Kapil and keep on loosing to low sides like Westindies, who cares?
If you don't call Srilanka a quality team, than you must be out of your mind, the same team which has humiliated you so many times outside India.
Or what about England, we have beaten them 3 times, and they have always been a quality test team.
We have been to South Africa twice, won once and lost the 2nd time.
India has been to SA twice and lost twice.
India being better than Pak, forget about it, this is the same time who hasn't won a series outside home in 16 years, atleast we have beaten not so good teams, you can't even win against Zimbabwe outside your home, what a shame!

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For your Information, Wasim and Rashid didn’t have to score runs at fast rate, They just had to score some runs.(13 of 4 overs or something like that) Now dont come back and say that they are not there to score runs but just to bowl and keep wickets. You guys are criticizing Dravid, when it is well known that Dravid is a TEST player and is there in the Oneday team because there isn’t anyone better to replace him.

As If you live in Present. And have won against West Indies at WI or any other better sides (just lost a series to Sri Lanka at Home)

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. It has been 4 years since you have won a series at home and god knows how many years since you have won a test against Australia and you say you are the best. Sure.

And you won against them, right ?? Last time you played against them in the ATC, you lost to them and yes you pindi express was also there in the TEAM (his figure was 3/131 our of 30.2 overs he bowled) and their wicketkeeper scored a double century. Sri Lanka has humiliated India many times because they are better than us and we accept it.

what about them, Last time you won a series against them (away or home)was in 1996 (6 years ago) and last time you toured England you didn’t win the series.It was a draw with both the teams winning one test each.

You have never won a series against South Africa. Go check the stats. Lost twice, Drawn once.

May I also add You have lost to Zimbabwe at home ( We haven’t) and it has been four years since you won a series against any team weak or strong.

Annihilate ?? he jsut took 3 wickets in that match. If that is annihilation then what would you call a guy who takes 6/12 or 6/14 in a woneday game ? SL won two matches with him there in the team. They beat you in the league matches (twice) with Pindi along with 2Ws in the team. And yes Murali wasn’t there to bowl otherwise you wouldn’t have reached 295.

You are talking as if 6/16 is a big achievment and done first time in the History of cricket. Wait till he consistently does that ( I mean performs well)

AK

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*For your Information, Wasim and Rashid didn't have to score runs at fast rate, They just had to score some runs.(13 of 4 overs or something like that) Now dont come back and say that they are not there to score runs but just to bowl and keep wickets. You guys are criticizing Dravid, when it is well known that Dravid is a TEST player and is there in the Oneday team because there isn't anyone better to replace him *
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Just get over with it, once again, you are making this thread very boring for me and others, your points are the same, and you are not going any further with this discussion, Pakistan lost, Big deal!
We have lost so many times.
I never said Dravid played at slow rate and I can careless, i didn't even watched the match.
I only came in when you talked about Rashid and Wasim, its so typical of you when someone talks about India and you suddenly start to criticize our players, take the defeat.

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As If you live in Present. And have won against West Indies at WI or any other better sides (just lost a series to Sri Lanka at Home) . It has been 4 years since you have won a series at home and god knows how many years since you have won a test against Australia and you say you are the best. Sure.
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When did I ever say Pakistan is the best team in the world, I never said they could beat Australia anytime, I only said the way we played against NZ in the past match was too good, and if we would play the best side like that, we could beat them.
And why are you keep on bringing Bangladesh and Windies, did I ever say that we beat them and we are the best team in the world, no, you might think so, but i think there is still much to improve on weaknesses.
You are making this thread just like the last one that was closed, repeating the samething over and over again.

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*And you won against them, right ?? Last time you played against them in the ATC, you lost to them and yes you pindi express was also there in the TEAM (his figure was 3/131 our of 30.2 overs he bowled) and their wicketkeeper scored a double century. Sri Lanka has humiliated India many times because they are better than us and we accept *
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The last time we played against them we annihlated them by 217 runs.

And don't bring your pathetic excuse of Murali not playing, we lost and Saqlain, Wasim, Saeed weren't playing as well in ATC, were we making excuses?, we accepted the defeat and they were the better on that match.

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*May I also add You have lost to Zimbabwe at home ( We haven't) and it has been four years since you won a series against any team weak or strong. *
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Why are you keep bringing India into this, it was just one lucky match, they played better that day, I accept we lost.
Pakistan has beaten teams India hasn't beaten in years, I never brag about them.

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*Annihilate ?? he jsut took 3 wickets in that match. If that is annihilation then what would you call a guy who takes 6/12 or 6/14 in a woneday game ? SL won two matches with him there in the team. They beat you in the league matches (twice) with Pindi along with 2Ws in the team. And yes Murali wasn't there to bowl otherwise you wouldn't have reached 295 *
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Again quit making excuses, because one man didn't play, the whole team looses, every team is not like India, other teams have more than one player who win matches for his team.
We missed Saeed, and we scored 295, we did it.
remember last year, Pak won all their matches and lost the final and we accpted SL as a better team of the tournament.

Once again you are taking this exciting thread to boredom by repeating the samethings over and over again, unless you can come up with some thing productive or new answers, don't bother replying cause you are speaking gibbrish, please don't take this personally but everytime someone points an error on your team or a player you start babbling how Pakistan has lost to Windies and Australia, and change the whole topic.
Just like this one, the topic started to pinpoint the flaws of Tendulkur and you change it into India being better than Pakistan and can never beat Australia.
Growup man!

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Typical indian mentality to babble till death.

Losers. Hope WI whips their booty.

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I wasn’t talking about Pakistan’s loss. I was talking about Rashid and Wasim not able to score 13 runs in 4 overs. Also I didn’t start this topic, you have to ask Sambri who said something about Dravid’s slow batting and he shouldn’t be there in the team and then I said why this double standard only with Dravid and not with your players. Then you jumped into the discussion.

And which Team is that ?? That you have beaten and we have not beaten ??

Sri Lanka is not as talented as Pakistan, If Wasim is not playing you guys claim that there are many to replace him same goes with Saeed. But for Sri Lanka, It is very difficult for them to win without Murali.

No, This topic was stared solely for Tendulkar Bashing, The thread about Sachin’s batting flaws is here http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum15/HTML/001888.html and no one went to that sincere thread. I didn’t change the thread. It was changed by you and your fellow countrymen. And I am going to respond If someone un-necessarily criticizes our players.

AK

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makes me hahaha

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I appreciate the fact that you stop speaking Jibbrish.

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Sri Lanka is not as talented as Pakistan, If Wasim is not playing you guys claim that there are many to replace him same goes with Saeed. But for Sri Lanka, It is very difficult for them to win without Murali.
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WOW!
I can't believe you said something nice about Pakistan, that is a big one, we should celebrate now.
Ehsan bhai, Mithai Mangwai.
This day from now on should be declared as Asif_k day.

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I dont gibber and I always try to present the fact. Anyways I wouldn’t mind the MITHAIs..Ehsan bhai kahan gai hamari mithai ? pure 24 hours ho gaye order diye hue..Bill ki tension mat lo..Umair is gonna take care of that

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AK

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LOL, the guy is thinking that the Indian team will beat Pakistan... LOLOLOLOLOL... I think you are forgetting the statistics baby...

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Originally posted by Asif_k:
** Why no 100 mph this time ?? Ohhh Rawalpindi passenger is injured and cant bowl at full speed.

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Originally posted by Asif_k:
** Make sure that Nadas of your Pajama are tightened very well. We might surprise you. Anil is also going to be there (Remember last time what he did to you). Also dont forget to ask for neutral umpires this time, I dont want you to give any excuses this time.
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LOl, hes talking as if the Pakistan vs India statistics were the other way around... As for your uncle Anil, may I remind you what happened to him?

You can bring you Nehras, Anils, Ratras, Agarkars, Turbanators (yes, harbajhan singh calls himself the 'turbanator' on a TEN SPORTS advertisement) but to be honest, they are nobodys when it comes to facing the Green Team...

I suggest everyone have a look at India and Pakistans all time statistics again as some people have forgotten all the whoopin.

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No need to reply back to them Spock, they will never get in their heads than Pakistan is better than India in every part of the game, and we have more talented players as well, they will never accept the defeat.