Sachal Sarmast is part of the culture and ethos of Sindh and so is Sufism. Many invaders throughout history have tried to turn Sindhis away from their culture and all have failed and so will today’s invaders.
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Let me first explain the philosopohy of Wahadat al Wajood.
Wahdat al-Wajood is a concept based upon the idea that nothing exists other than Allah, and creation is merely the manifestation of Allah. This implies that the creation is Allah, and Allah does not exist outside the creation. Haji Imdadullah Muhajir Makki, the spiritual guide of the most prominent Deobandis, explains Wahdat al-Wajood in a booklet by the same name, with an example of a seed and a tree. He states that the seed is Allah and the creation is the tree with its stem, roots, branches and leaves. Initially, only the seed was present, and the entire huge tree was hidden in the small seed. When the plant grew into a massive tree, the seed disappeared. The seed is now manifest in this huge tree and does not have an existence outside of it.
Now, tell me is this what the Prophet taught us about our religion. This is utterly a poduct of our weak minds, nothing else. And yes it is wrong, any interpretaion of Islam outside the realms of the Quran and Sunnah is haraam. Wahadat al Wajood, implies that Allah is the creation and nothing else, which is completely wrong. Allah can not be part of the creation, he is completely seperate from the creation. This is a belief that seperates us from Christians and other beliefs, who think God is part of the creation.
Wahadat al Wajood, basically implies that the Creation is God, and humans being part of the creation are God too? Then at the same time they think they are nothing more than dogs and pigs...Sufism is a really confused form of Islam, born out of ignorance, and made for the ignorant, so that they may always remain ignorant.
All forms of sufism found in the subcontinest are Haraam....falling into extacy while praying, degrading ones self to the level of dogs and pigs, fakeer culture...etc is just wrong. Allah made us Ashraful Makhlookat, and intrusted us with the responsibility of Khilafa. He intrusted us with his Word.
Sufism brought in a lot of innovations in Islam. And as we all know innovations (biddah) is haraam. Dr Bilal Philip states that, every form of worship is haraam, other than the one stated in the Quran, or by the Prophet.
The next thing we all need to look up on is....what is more important. Our local sindhi, punjabi cultures or the True Word of God? Sadiqaan's reply to Naadir, seemed hasty and ignorant to me. Sadiqaan i would suggest you go and read about Wahadat al Wajood and Wahadat ash Shahood. Theres a lot of kufr that goes on in our culture, we need to educate our selfes and the people around us. Else... we mite just end up like the mushrikeen of the days Prophet, who refused to give up the religion of Allah...because according to them the culture and the religion of their forefathers held great value.
PS. Please do not delete this thread or move it to the Religion Forum. We need to inform everyone the truth, Please let it stay here.
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I don’t want to go into a religious discussion, but please Mr. Sharaabi (nice name), save me the lecture. Majority of Sindhis are sufi and we will always be sufi. We have no desire to be a part of mullah altered version of Islam, which incidentally today is responsible for most of the world’s terrorism. Leave us to die in the sea of love that Sachal bought to us. Sufis are closest to the teaching of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH).
You dont want to go into a religious discussion...yet to claim that sufism is closest to the teaching of the Prophet (SAS).
Dont believe anything....just cause some peer saab said it. Look into the Hadith and the Quran for proof. Iam not asking you to believe me or some Mullah. But look into the Sunnah and the Quran for yourself, you will know the truth soon.
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*Originally posted by Sadiqaan: *
Sufis are closest to the teaching of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH).
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sufism has nothing to do with Islam....
such thing was never taught by Islam nor liked....
it finds its roots in hinduism and in other religions where religious men were those who left the society and lived in jungles/mountains....
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*Originally posted by Sharaabi: *
You dont want to go into a religious discussion...yet to claim that sufism is closest to the teaching of the Prophet (SAS).
Dont believe anything....just cause some peer saab said it. Look into the Hadith and the Quran for proof. Iam not asking you to believe me or some Mullah. But look into the Sunnah and the Quran for yourself, you will know the truth soon.
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Take this to the religion forum if you want a religious discussion.
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*Originally posted by armughal: *
sufism has nothing to do with Islam....
such thing was never taught by Islam nor liked....
it finds its roots in hinduism and in other religions where religious men were those who left the society and lived in jungles/mountains....
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You know nothing about Sufism or Islam. No one has given you authority over the beliefs of other people.
I try my best to never ridicule or question other people's religious beliefs, but my limits are being tested by some ignorant people. I suggest the administrators to take stern action against such blatant attacks on Sindhi culture.
Kalimay keena kayo, moon khay moroon musalman
Na kee ahmada mokiliyo araba eemaanu
SACHOO parna subhano, jay adamu laykhe aadmee
sufism exists in a much larger world beyond sindh....
ever take ur time and see beynod sindh....
sufism isnt from Islam....
and the two cant be together....
We are the jahils because we preach love and tolerance, while you are the momin because you preach hatred and violence?
Sachal addressed your attitudes perfectly.
vaktu uhaaii vela, doii duuru karna jii
kaddhu mazhaaiba mana maan, saajhura saarna savela
hinduu momina saan milii, muhabata jaa karu mela
mataan thiay avela, olahu siju na ulhay!
Anyway, for those who want to hear his kalaam, please visit here
http://www.sachalsarmast.com/Home/kalam.html
going back to what armughal said....Sufism is a much broader philosophy and point of view than what u think, believe and see.
All you are talkin about is love and tolerance. Theres nothign wrong with that, but you gotta look deep, there are various other aspects of Sufism, that are absolutely alien to the teachings of the Prophet and Quran. Open up your eyes and look and question the stuff....u take for granted, other than constantly repeating the same stuff over and over again.
people, let's start afresh like grown-ups, ok?
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Leave us to die in the sea of love...
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U cheesy thing.. Sound like a right little pansy.. :p
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*Originally posted by armughal: *
sufism exists in a much larger world beyond sindh....
ever take ur time and see beynod sindh....
sufism isnt from Islam....
and the two cant be together....
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which is the official form of islam and which country practises it?
There are no ‘forms’ of Islam and no country has a favoured ‘form’…There are however four schools of thought between which there is absolutely no dispute…These four schools of thought are called Madhahib, and a Muslim is free to practice any kind without the other saying that my way is far more better…They are universally accepted in the world of Islam…
An example would be, my family is Hanafi, but my brother more in touch with the Shafi’ee school of thought decided to pray using the Shafi’ee method whereas I still perform my prayers the Hanafi way…Why? Because according to my brother, putting your hands on your chest and tapping your finger while in Qiyam (or sitting position) has a stronger Daleel (proof) while I have a stronger Daleel that I can clasp my hands above my navel and not tap the finger…But this in no way can be argued about which is better, it’s all upto how much knowledge you have…
Sufism on the other hand has no place in Islam…It is an innovation and innovation in Islam is tantamount to Kufr…
The Whirling Dervishes…Can you imagine the Prophets :as: and their companions 
dancing and twirling to drums?
The Qawwalis…Did any Prophet sing the Lord’s message to a Taanpura and Tabla?
The grave worshipping…Shirk?
Sufism is great for culture and tourism industry, but it is as far from Islam as drinking, gambling and adultery…
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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
which is the official form of islam and which country practises it?
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the day u realize that Islam wasnt meant for a country to follow but rather for people, u will know the true form of Islam....