Sabah...

I was 9 or 10 years old when I was in Germany studying in a British school in which during recess one day I noticed a group of about six or seven kids playing soccer with a type of bread called a Brotchen. The Brotchen is a very hard type of bread and is as big as a fist…

Anyways, I noticed them playing with that bread and I was flabbergasted…The concept of food that has been ingrained in me by my family regarding the respect which we give to Rizq, or anything we eat just left me dumbfounded…I couldn’t believe when I saw those kids playing with bread that way…It was inconceivable…

So I approached the biggest of those kids and told them not to play with that bread as it is food and that you don’t treat food so disrespectfully…Having no clue what I was talking about, the big kid looked at me and said 'What? Why?..I said because it’s food and food no matter what must not be disrespected…

The big kid pushed me back so hard I almost fell backwards…I retreated to the bench area and the kids started kicking the bread around again…I couldn’t stand Rizq being treated that way, so I moved closer to the kids, and at an opportune moment ran in between them, grabbed the piece of bread and ran full throttle to the corner of the playground…I couldn’t run anywhere else…I couldn’t throw the bread over the wire mesh as the kids might later retrieve it, so I did the next best thing…I crumbled it to tiny pieces and threw the rest through the wire…

When the kids came up to me, I knew I was gonna get beaten…As they converged on me I knew it was do or die, so I jumped and grabbed the hair of the big kid and didn’t let go…I knew that if I let go of his hairs, I am going to get such a beating, so I grabbed on for dear life…

The other kids however were immune to the pain of the kid I had grabbed hold of, and they snatched me free from the big kid with fistfull of clumps of his blonde hair in my hands…

I was hit repeatedly and my arm was twisted behind my back so badly that it was swollen for a week…

Seeing all this the teacher in charge, Mr. Mansell, came blowing his whistle…He had caught the part where I had snatched the bread from between the boys…He asked me why I did that and I explained tearfully the importance of Rizq in my culture and religion…

Now Mr. Mansell, being a westerner was as ignorant about the concept of Rizq as the boys with whom I had wrestled…Instead of sending me back to class he wanted to listen to what would make someone do something like I did…He didn’t have to listen to me…After all, I took someone else’s food and someone is entitled to do whatever the heck they desire to do with it, but no…Being a literate educator he wanted to learn what would make anyone do something like that…That is one of the hallmarks of literate people…They want to know and learn…

He told me that what I did was a very brave thing, however I should have talked to him first before grabbing someone else’s stuff like that…

The word got to the chancellor somehow as to what happened, and Alhumdulillah, the result of the matter was that two weeks later, a new playground rule was established that food was, on any account, not allowed to leave the bench area…Whether it was an act to respect the beliefs of other people or whatever, but Rizq from that day in that school, was not treated like a football…

I doubt you have made it this far in your reading whatever I wrote as I am sure it must have bored you out of your skull, but if you have and not been able to figure out what I meant by my diatribe, it was that discussions usually have a fruitful result…If not anything else they serve a purpose of timepass…

When you closed that thread I was a little dismayed and a little saddened…Dismayed at the education wasted on an unrecipient mind and saddened at the results…

When I first saw the thread with a lock on it, it reminded me for a second about the beaurocracy of Pakistan and where it has gotten us, the red tapes, the deliberate delays, the noncaring of those amongst us with even the slightest of authority signifying power without morals…

I once wrote another diatribe which you might not want to search for and not want to read about Campesinos someplace…If you read it, you will not find out what it dealt with, but I can sum it up all up for you in one sentence beautifully in the beaurocratic language of Pakistan:

Jitthay di khoti, utthay aan khaloti” :heehaw:

Long story short, I did not ask you why they were banned, hence the closing of the thread was not a necessity…What was necessary was that you see the differences for what some were banned indefinitely and for what some were allowed back in…This would have to mean a conscious effort to think and deliberate on your part, so I think we can end this matter here…

At this point you can ‘G.W. Bush’ me and slap me with your fave title of ‘ghattiya’ this or that and we can call it quits…

And don’t worry about me pursuing this…I won’t be bothered with you again…

Ok.

lajawab, let me remind u once more: this is JUST a discussion forum! snap out of it. noone's life is dependent on here. noone's gonna die if they're not let in, really. I'm sure the breads -ur referring to- can find a better soccer player elsewhere...

Lajawab its strange that you would share something so personal. Anyhow respect has great weight...for those who have it...those who give it...and those who realize its worth.

:teary3: so emotional

Pursue this with your life :k:

Nescio: Right...It's just a discussion board...So why ban someone for something trivial? My whole argument was that I have read almost everyone's posts and their views regarding this and that...I know that the reason those two were banned was not for any reason other than an ego problem...Seems the curse of the bloated ego will forever haunt our nation and anything associated with it...

MQ: Was posting after a week...Fingers were itchy and I was on a caffeine high...Thought I'd share something and vent at the same time...:D Wasn't my intention to boast or impress about something...

BiB: Isn't it? :(

Hiccup: I would, but it would all be in vain...She can't read...Look at her eloquently expressive reply...Like nodding at something which you didn't understand...

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Nescio: Right...It's **just
* a discussion board...So why ban someone for something trivial? My whole argument was that I have read almost everyone's posts and their views regarding this and that...I know that the reason those two were banned was not for any reason other than an ego problem...Seems the curse of the bloated ego will forever haunt our nation and anything associated with it...

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why do u put the ego problem only on one side....I'd rather think the ego problem was on the other side, and with me many others think likewise, just like many think like u do. In the end we can't say someone was right and the other wrong...it's just that these two aren't compatible with what the owners of this site accept as standard...and if that's the case the only solution is what has been adopted now. As i said, those two can find a better haven somewhere else.
What surprises me is why would someone so dearly want to come back to a place where they can't stand the presence of the owners??

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As i said, those two can find a better haven somewhere else.
What surprises me is why would someone so dearly want to come back to a place where they can't stand the presence of the owners??
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This is really worth pondering on for all concerned. I know the views of those banned and according to their own testimony a lot of the forums here would probably be closed down, members banned, speech restricted...need i go on? If the site was run according to their lines the place would be nothing like it is at present.

Surely there are far more suitable sites where they and their like-minded friends can find a nice closed atmosphere which would be provided by a like-minded Admin?

It's a nice story, thanks for sharing.

I admire your attitude and your ability to see things with both eyes closed. Your thread was not closed because I couldn't discuss banning of those two. You started off by playing with religion, moving on to accusing one of my mods, without any proof. I could challenge you on both accounts, lekin mujhe pata nahiN kioN izzat rakhne ka baRa shauq hai.

"I know that the reason those two were banned was not for any reason other than an ego problem...Seems the curse of the bloated ego will forever haunt our nation and anything associated with it..."

You blamed one mod and others are jumping on him as well. What if I challenge you to get a note from either of the banned members saying that, this particular mod got them banned. And get that one person in here to verify that what she reported back from a private gathering was said by any of my team members. To spare you any embarrassment, I can tell you now that you wont be able to get either. Let me know if you need help recalling names of the so called witnesses, I'd love to help.

I'm very much capable of understanding and seeing things from different perspectives, but I refuse to waste my time on gossips. And I do not like to embarres anyone. Abhi aap timepass karo, and let me know when you're ready.

Thanks for the reply, Sabah…

In my previous post no mod was mentioned and no one was blamed…Just the act of banning was questioned and criticised…

Anyways, I only saw two very old members banned for no real valid reason worth banning for…I only post on what I saw as a wrong done to them and a punishment not fitting the crime…If it was me being banned, trust me, I would’t even think twice of returning…

I just hope you reconsider their banning and allow them back in to be with their online friends, that’s all…

You won’t hear about this again from me…

:salam:

laj’ bhai honestly mate u r waisting ur time, i’d suggest u save ur breath, i myself have had many issues wih the mods + admin of this site and i’m tired of asking for explanations or for them lot to be reasonable with me. and it’s deja vu mate but this time not for me BUT for u i c the same trend being repeated. muje nahin lagta kai aap ki daal galey gi.

Lajwaab, criticise tab kia jata hai jab aap ko details maloom hooN. Is discussion ka result expected tha. Its a shame, really.

LUC, aap ka kya maslah tha?

I make a request to please allow those banned...back. I have been asking for unbanning my friend perplexing also...but no reply...no use....

Why this attitude?

WHy do you guys punish everyone for talking about Ahmediat?

Lajo, Germans are Nazis. Did you have your Brotchen Shaniten? Abay Ulu kay Kan,,, my mom throws out grains of rice and Daal in our yard every morning (as a bird feed). Playing with a bread is done for the same reason, there are GOD’s creature that need to be fed. Think outside of your molvi’s box. You should have received some heavy duty lashes for your stupidity. Actually, you are unfit to live in any civilized society.

ki ho geya hai tussa loka nuN.

its a forum man..take it easy..lassi shassi piyo , samosay khayo tay aish karo. thanda mahol tay mithay chol.

hath do kay pichay hi pay gaye ho saaray kay saaray namuraad :hehe:

^ this coming from a person who has issues with a smilie? :rotfl: