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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
...as long as pakistan army in control of foreign policy it is useless to talk...
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These Indians have such a short memory. Who was incharge in Pakistan at the time of Agra summit :)
Indian hypocracy at its best :)
Kahan, kahan sai ajatay hain yea log.
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*Originally posted by dhir: *
OK PT, Pakistan won and India is not coming! So does absence of one member in one of the meetings makes SAARC redundant and calls for postponment of meeting indefinitely. I feel Pak should rethink its decision.
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We didn't stop Vajpayee not to come. It was India refused to confirm whether or not it would attend.
You feel Pakistan should re-think, what? Call for the new dates of Summit?
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Still wondering what SAARC members want to talk about? Or its just a formality like all other desi meetings...lol
Emma Udwin, ob behalf of Chris Paten, EU Commissioner for External Relations.
“We know that bilateral issues can not be discussed on the forum of Saarc, but we regard SAARC a very important forum”,
SAARC is a joke.
We should either kick India out or create an organization composed of all South Asian countries minus India. Much more trade, joint policies, and other tasks can be accomplished.
To deviate from the topic, does anyone know Pakistans engagements on the ECO front?
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*Originally posted by RajputFury: *
To deviate from the topic, does anyone know Pakistans engagements on the ECO front?
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I do.
ECO meaning Economic Co-Operation Organization. When it started, first, it is known as RCD, meaning, Regional Co-operation Organization and there were three members Pakistan, Iran and Turkey.
It has been expanded up to 6 states of Central Asia and Afghanistan. :) More precisely, it was Pakistan who started out ECO front.
Hello everybody?
My first message here - looks like a good discussion board, though it took a couple of days to provide access. Better late than never.
As to SAARC - if we can collaborate on economic issues, why not sport (cricket etc.)? may be that will help thaw things a bit between.
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*Originally posted by Pakistani Tiger: *
I do.
ECO meaning Economic Co-Operation Organization. When it started, first, it is known as RCD, meaning, Regional Co-operation Organization and there were three members Pakistan, Iran and Turkey.
It has been expanded up to 6 states of Central Asia and Afghanistan. :) More precisely, it was Pakistan who started out ECO front.
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Excellent! I mean are there any projects in the works? I vaguely remember the pipeline deals are a major part of it. What I would LOVE to see is a military alliance on the lines of NATO. I mean, taking Pakistan, Iran, & Turkey's military strength into account, we could be THE powerhouse in asia. yes, I realize that these thoughts are highly visionary, but I would really like to see us working closer.
Oh back to the topic, we should maintain solid links in South Asia as well (hence, my alternative to SAARC proposal). I think in geopolitical terms we can make the most impact if our economic markets strech from Turkey to Bangladesh.
SAARC as it is, is a toothless organization liuke the OIc. We should make the organizations more result oriented by taking the lead in proposals. I think India is a special category with so much hatred mistrust, that It would be best if we part our ways for good.
PT, I nominate you for the Information Minister post on Gupshup!
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*Originally posted by RajputFury: *
Excellent! I mean are there any projects in the works? I vaguely remember the pipeline deals are a major part of it. What I would LOVE to see is a military alliance on the lines of NATO. I mean, taking Pakistan, Iran, & Turkey's military strength into account, we could be THE powerhouse in asia. yes, I realize that these thoughts are highly visionary, but I would really like to see us working closer.
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RajputFury, :)
I know about the pipelines only; and as you said it is indeed a big deal for everyone who's involved. As for military alliance, it's a good idea but I don't think military alliace exists. I remember a news about Pakistan helping Iran to develop her nukes as Russia backed down. It's just an investigation report.
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Oh back to the topic, we should maintain solid links in South Asia as well (hence, my alternative to SAARC proposal). I think in geopolitical terms we can make the most impact if our economic markets strech from Turkey to Bangladesh.
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Pakistan enjoys good relations with Turkey and Bangladesh and have got good potential for trade. Pakistan has already signed Free Trade Agreement(FTA) with these two nations and some African nations like Sudan.
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SAARC as it is, is a toothless organization liuke the OIc. We should make the organizations more result oriented by taking the lead in proposals. I think India is a special category with so much hatred mistrust, that It would be best if we part our ways for good.
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I agree Raj. India's got attitude problem.
Just wondering, are you a fan of Eminem?
I know about the pipelines only; and as you said it is indeed a big deal for everyone who's involved. As for military alliance, it's a good idea but I don't think military alliace exists. I remember a news about Pakistan helping Iran to develop her nukes as Russia backed down. It's just an investigation report.
Right, the piplines are agood start we can work from there to establish closer links. Pakistani & Turkish Airforces have close links, and the nuke thing with Iran...all we need to work from there to make it a defense organization.
Just wondering, are you a fan of Eminem?
Definately :) I have the 8-Mile soundtrack playing right now..
Lose yourself is my song for this year!
:k:
Cool. Ever been on Eminem’s concert?
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*Originally posted by Pakistani Tiger: *
Cool. Ever been on Eminem's concert?
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Nope. I am planning on going, the next time he's on tour.
What exactly has SAARC accomplished? What is it's purpose (really)? As long as India is in it, the smaller nations can't get anything done. Ditching SAARC to form a union of Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan, & Sri Lanks can get more done as all the nations are on relatively good terms. India can do as it pleases.
why would Sri Lanka play in a regional association that doesn't have India? and without India and Sri Lanka, wouldn't it be like an exhibition match? 9I mean in terms of topics and markets)
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*Originally posted by RajputFury: *
What exactly has SAARC accomplished? What is it's purpose (really)? As long as India is in it, the smaller nations can't get anything done. Ditching SAARC to form a union of Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan, & Sri Lanks can get more done as all the nations are on relatively good terms. India can do as it pleases.
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SAARC has accomplished nothing. It's purpose has been dead. I liked your idea Raj, making a platform of Pakistan with Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan and Sri lanka :)
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why would Sri Lanka play in a regional association that doesn't have India? and without India and Sri Lanka, wouldn't it be like an exhibition match? 9I mean in terms of topics and markets)
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India has to change her attitude, not only towards Pakistan and but rest of the SAARC members as well.
perhaps you misunderstood my question as a slight to pakistan. All I am wondering is, if you sum up the economic activity of the SAARC members and take that of India and Sri Lanka out of it, what's left is a tiny fraction. Given that, how can any regional economic policy set without India and Sri Lanka have any regional or global impact? Remember the fundamental premise of SAARC and other regional bodies is that the impact of the aggregation is greater than the sum of the parts.
As to India changing attitude etc. is rhetoric - what does that mean in real terms?
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*Originally posted by Jagjeevan: *
perhaps you misunderstood my question as a slight to pakistan. All I am wondering is, if you sum up the economic activity of the SAARC members and take that of India and Sri Lanka out of it, what's left is a tiny fraction. Given that, how can any regional economic policy set without India and Sri Lanka have any regional or global impact? Remember the fundamental premise of SAARC and other regional bodies is that the impact of the aggregation is greater than the sum of the parts.
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Let me get into the Bottom line:
SAARC is a dumb organization.
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As to India changing attitude etc. is rhetoric - what does that mean in real terms?
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Just read the article of Indian Author posted by me in this thread.
SAARC is dumb? so why all this ruckus about not being able to host it?