Re: SA player making abusive comments about Pakistan/Herschelle Gibbs banned for 2 Tests
what chumps...
SA are pretty low in their tactics..
Re: SA player making abusive comments about Pakistan/Herschelle Gibbs banned for 2 Tests
Gibbs is part of wider problem
(Kamran Abbasi)
International cricket is not for those of a weak constitution, nor should it be a forum for racism. Herschelle Gibbs may have uttered his words for “ears only” but such an excuse is not acceptable in a public arena. Chris Broad’s decision to ban Gibbs is correct, whether or not the ban is sufficient is another matter. **South Africa, too, can have no complaints, particularly since Graeme Smith managed to have Shoaib Akhtar banned for swearing at him during his team’s last tour of Pakistan. **
The fans who abused Paul Harris and struck Makhaya Ntini are a disgrace to Pakistani supporters everywhere. This sorry incident has no winners.
But it does expose a deeper problem with South African cricket. Smith’s team fully deserved their victory, Pakistan were outplayed, but the manner of the victory left something to be desired. The snarling–and persistent–abuse that South Africa’s players hurled at Pakistan’s players went some way beyond sledging. It is amazing that the umpires tolerated it.
The behaviour of South Africa’s players created a vile atmosphere in this first Test match, and whether or not it was for ears or eyes only it was evident for the world to see. These antics do not excuse the behaviour of Pakistan’s fans but it surely contributed to their agitation.
All credit to Cricket South Africa for further investigating Herschelle Gibbs but what they really should be doing is considering the public conduct of their team. It is conduct that does little for the image of the Rainbow Nation.
Source: http://blogs.cricinfo.com/pakspin/archives/2007/01/gibbs_is_part_of_wider_problem.php#more
Re: SA player making abusive comments about Pakistan/Herschelle Gibbs banned for 2 Te
The worst spectators in the world are Indian....
Anyone who makes trouble should be banned for life and that will certainly keep these Pakis under control
where did India come into picture and what are u doing here. SAs didnt love indians as well, and they were mouthing bad words (especialy nell) to all indian batsmen. But indian supporters didnt abuse anybody on the field. Stay on topic and dont try comparing apples and oranges.
Re: SA player making abusive comments about Pakistan/Herschelle Gibbs banned for 2 Tests
If someone is not clear that Paki is degrading, a simply announcement will make it clear. But that is not why Gibbs is being taken to the mat - it's for the rest of the stuff he said (someone has posted the video here).
I know a lot of non-Pakis refer to as Pakis...in fact some people call even Indians Pakis which ofcourse is unavoidable due to same origin and looks and even language. So I won't put paki and nigger in the same level if insult.
Re: SA player making abusive comments about Pakistan/Herschelle Gibbs banned for 2 Tests
All right guys, I have cleaned some junk from this thread, stay on the topic and no more personal attacks. Consider this a warning.
Re: SA player making abusive comments about Pakistan/Herschelle Gibbs banned for 2 Tests
Gibbs's father lashes out at ICC
The truth is out there, Hersch
Telford Vice asks Gibbs a few pertinent questions
The truth is out there, Hersch
Telford Vice
January 17, 2007
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‘If the security staff did their jobs properly when they removed the supporters who swore at Paul Harris, why didn’t you call the big boys in when things went too far where you were fielding?’ © Getty Images
Howzit Hersch,
Trust you’re bearing up - this too shall pass, at least, that’s what they tell me. Anyway. It was wonderful to see you in decent batting nick at Centurion. Good grafting stuff, and bad luck about missing the century.
As for the other issue, if the offending fans were white would you still have said what you said? That’s what the racism argument boils down to, you see.
I’m asking this question because when the South African team suffered racist abuse from spectators - most of them white - in Australia last season, there was no shouting about or at the fans from the field. At least, none seems to have been recorded.
I’m not calling you racist, I’m trying to explain why some people might do so.
And what about the Pakistani batsmen who were out there on the field with you? Didn’t you think that what you said broke the admittedly unwritten rules of sledging? Also, how does it change anything if you were talking to your teammates? The comments you made are still out there, regardless.
I have to tell you that when I heard for myself what you said, I was disgusted. It’s not the swearing. Bloody hell, I’m a reporter - we were born effing and blinding, and I’ll continue to do so until I b****r off this mortal coil at the age of 112. So swearing doesn’t scare me. Instead, it was your harsh tone that struck me most.
There was something close to hate in your voice, Hersch, and that’s not a pretty sound. I have this mental pen pic of you as an easy-going bloke who enjoys his talent and realises how lucky he is to make his living in the sunshine. That wasn’t what I heard on that tape.
I do not doubt that the Pakistan supporters were becoming increasingly unruly. They were loud and irritating from the distance of the press box, never mind from over your shoulder. In fact, the reporting of this story has been unfair to you because all we have to go on is what you said. This saga will remain unfairly skewed against you unless we are somehow able to reveal what the fans were saying. Let no one suggest that they are blameless in all this.
Be that as it may, if the security staff did their jobs properly when they removed the supporters who swore at Paul Harris, why didn’t you call the big boys in when things went too far where you were fielding?
I should tell you that I do have some idea of how you felt. Three hours after the close of play on Sunday, I was still working in the press box. The plan was to send the BBC a few clips of what Mickey Arthur had said at the press conference that evening. The plan was not working, because of a man and his leafblower.
Now, a leafblower is an inspired choice for removing the debris left behind in the stands by the crowd after a day’s play, and this bloke had been doing his job infuriatingly well for two hours. Do you know what a leafblower sounds like, Hersch? It’s a bit like an elephant shoving its trunk into your ear and trumpeting for all its worth. Try editing audio clips with that racket going on.
After two hours of this little lot, the end of my tether was at hand. The chairs in the Centurion press box are sturdy, and made of metal … Yup, I hurled a chair into the stand the man was cleaning. Not at him, of course - I was simply trying to attract his attention to ask him when a semblance of silence might return. But that doesn’t change anything. I should have contacted the stadium manager, I should have followed the procedures. I should have kept my cool. I didn’t.
I enjoyed an instant of satisfaction as the chair clattered into the plastic stadium seating. Then I realised just what an unprofessional, reckless idiot I had been. I tried to find the man to apologise, but he was long gone.
The next morning, I asked for a few moments of the stadium chief executive’s time. I explained myself, and I was relieved when she decided to let the matter rest there.
I think I reacted as most people would have done. I realised I had done something that required an apology and that I might have my accreditation withdrawn as a consequence. That realisation doesn’t make me anything special, it was entirely normal.
Which makes me wonder why, after admitting your guilt, you’re now pursuing an appeal. It looks like you think you needn’t have to face the consequences of your actions.
I can’t tell you how disappointing that is. But, hey, I’ll get over it, and pretty soon you’ll be one of my favourite players again.
I’ll stop bending your ear now. Before I do, I need to ask you to keep this between us. I know it’s going to be on the worldwide web, and that many millions of people will have access to it. But there’s stuff in here that I’d rather not have broadcast out there. So, off the record? Know what I mean?
Cheers,
Telford Vice
Telford Vice is a Durban-based writer with MWP Media
Re: SA player making abusive comments about Pakistan/Herschelle Gibbs banned for 2 Tests
Herschelle’s dad slams ICC
The International Cricket Council are a bunch of weak-kneed administrators who want to cover up for their mistakes of the past by making an example of Herschelle Gibbs.
This scathing comment comes from Herman Gibbs, father of the South African batsman who has been suspended for two tests by cricket’s governing body.
Gibbs jnr was banned after the first test in Centurion for referring to Pakistani supporters, who had abused him and his teammates, as “f… animals”.
Gibbs has appealed against the suspension and Justice Mervyn King has postponed Cricket SA’s disciplinary hearing until the completion of the ICC’s appeal procedure.
Herman Gibbs did not mince his words on Tuesday when he commented on his son’s suspension.
"There are a bunch of incorrigible old men in the ICC. They were unable to do anything about match fixing and are too afraid to tackle any controversial matter properly.
"Just think about how they looked away when the South African players were the victims of racist remarks in Australia last year. Why did they not act then?
“Malcolm Speed (CEO of the ICC, who laid the charge against Gibbs) seems to have a vendetta against South African cricket and Herschelle is now a convenient stick for him to hit out with (at the SA team).”
**Gibbs snr also accused Pakistan Cricket Board members of being a bunch of opportunists. **
**"They now want to be holy and hang Herschelle, but they allow two of their players (Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Asif) to play, even though they know they have used performance enhancers. **
**“What is worse,” Gibbs asked, “what Herschelle did after he and his teammates were subjected to racism, or to field players whose performances have been influenced by drugs?” **
“I just hope the Pakistanis do not bring their supporters to Cape Town, because we don’t want them here,” he said, referring to the third test to be played at Newlands.
“To describe Herschelle as a racist, is laughable; it makes me angry. My children attended non-racial schools when most of their contemporaries were still in one-race schools. If there’s one thing Herschelle is not, it’s a racist.”
Gibbs snr admitted that it was risky for his son to appeal against the suspension.
Brian Basson, of Cricket SA, on Tuesday explained that, after Gibbs had lodged his appeal, the ICC had 48 hours to appoint an appeals commissioner.
This opened the door for Gibbs to play in the second test, which starts in Port Elizabeth on Friday.
If the appeals commissioner decides to extend the suspension, increasing it to more than two tests and to include one-day internationals, Gibbs’s participation in the World Cup tournament starting next month could be in doubt.
Chris Broad, who chaired the ICC hearing on Monday, decided on a two-test suspension, but Gibbs could be worse off after an appeal hearing.
SOURCE: http://www.supercricket.co.za/default.asp?id=201802&des=article&scat=supercricket/sateam
Re: SA player making abusive comments about Pakistan/Herschelle Gibbs banned for 2 Tests
^ well can we call this anything but typical?
Re: SA player making abusive comments about Pakistan/Herschelle Gibbs banned for 2 Tests
Make of it what you will.
Howzit Hersch,
Trust you’re bearing up - this too shall pass, at least, that’s what they tell me. Anyway. It was wonderful to see you in decent batting nick at Centurion. Good grafting stuff, and bad luck about missing the century.
As for the other issue, if the offending fans were white would you still have said what you said? That’s what the racism argument boils down to, you see.
I’m asking this question because when the South African team suffered racist abuse from spectators - most of them white - in Australia last season, there was no shouting about or at the fans from the field. At least, none seems to have been recorded.
**I’m not calling you racist, I’m trying to explain why some people might do so. And what about the Pakistani batsmen who were out there on the field with you? **Didn’t you think that what you said broke the admittedly unwritten rules of sledging? Also, how does it change anything if you were talking to your teammates? The comments you made are still out there, regardless.
I have to tell you that when I heard for myself what you said, I was disgusted. It’s not the swearing. Bloody hell, I’m a reporter - we were born effing and blinding, and I’ll continue to do so until I br off this mortal coil at the age of 112. So swearing doesn’t scare me. Instead, it was your harsh tone that struck me most.
There was something close to hate in your voice, Hersch, and that’s not a pretty sound. I have this mental pen pic of you as an easy-going bloke who enjoys his talent and realises how lucky he is to make his living in the sunshine. That wasn’t what I heard on that tape.
I do not doubt that the Pakistan supporters were becoming increasingly unruly. They were loud and irritating from the distance of the press box, never mind from over your shoulder. In fact, the reporting of this story has been unfair to you because all we have to go on is what you said. This saga will remain unfairly skewed against you unless we are somehow able to reveal what the fans were saying. **Let no one suggest that they are blameless in all this. **
Be that as it may, if the security staff did their jobs properly when they removed the supporters who swore at Paul Harris, why didn’t you call the big boys in when things went too far where you were fielding?
I should tell you that I do have some idea of how you felt. Three hours after the close of play on Sunday, I was still working in the press box. The plan was to send the BBC a few clips of what Mickey Arthur had said at the press conference that evening. The plan was not working, because of a man and his leafblower.
Now, a leafblower is an inspired choice for removing the debris left behind in the stands by the crowd after a day’s play, and this bloke had been doing his job infuriatingly well for two hours. Do you know what a leafblower sounds like, Hersch? It’s a bit like an elephant shoving its trunk into your ear and trumpeting for all its worth. Try editing audio clips with that racket going on.
After two hours of this little lot, the end of my tether was at hand. The chairs in the Centurion press box are sturdy, and made of metal … Yup, I hurled a chair into the stand the man was cleaning. Not at him, of course - I was simply trying to attract his attention to ask him when a semblance of silence might return. But that doesn’t change anything. I should have contacted the stadium manager, I should have followed the procedures. I should have kept my cool. I didn’t.
I enjoyed an instant of satisfaction as the chair clattered into the plastic stadium seating. Then I realised just what an unprofessional, reckless idiot I had been. I tried to find the man to apologise, but he was long gone.
The next morning, I asked for a few moments of the stadium chief executive’s time. I explained myself, and I was relieved when she decided to let the matter rest there.
I think I reacted as most people would have done. I realised I had done something that required an apology and that I might have my accreditation withdrawn as a consequence. That realisation doesn’t make me anything special, it was entirely normal.
Which makes me wonder why, after admitting your guilt, you’re now pursuing an appeal. It looks like you think you needn’t have to face the consequences of your actions.
I can’t tell you how disappointing that is. But, hey, I’ll get over it, and pretty soon you’ll be one of my favourite players again.
I’ll stop bending your ear now. Before I do, I need to ask you to keep this between us. I know it’s going to be on the worldwide web, and that many millions of people will have access to it. But there’s stuff in here that I’d rather not have broadcast out there. So, off the record? Know what I mean?
Cheers,
Telford Vice
Source: http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/rsavpak/content/story/276685.html
Re: SA player making abusive comments about Pakistan/Herschelle Gibbs banned for 2 Tests
Spectators dont have to adhere to any uniform standard of ethics, while Players have an obligation to do that and to behave professionally. This is and has been the practice all over the world. If you can’t take the heat get the FARK out of the kitchen. These white South Africans are racist bast***s anyway. Ask Nelson Mendella
Re: SA player making abusive comments about Pakistan/Herschelle Gibbs banned for 2 Tests
I think Gibbs' appeal might help him get a reduced punishment.
But morally he should not be alowed to get away like that