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But what if its in the interest of the Security council to hamper?
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The entire world, minus the US/UK/Australia, a group of over one hundred separate countries, are opposed to this war. Is it in their interests to "hamper" the invasion purely out of spite or do you believe these 100+ countries believe legal justification for this invasion is lacking?
IF any country has done anything to "hamper" the Security Council, i believe (in my opinion) it would be the US administration via its attempts to bully the weaker African countries... not to mention Mexico and Chile as well.
The entire world, minus the US/UK/Australia, a group of over one hundred separate countries, are opposed to this war. Is it in their interests to "hamper" the invasion purely out of spite or do you believe these 100+ countries believe legal justification for this invasion is lacking?
IF any country has done anything to "hamper" the Security Council, i believe (in my opinion) it would be the US administration via its attempts to bully the weaker African countries... not to mention Mexico and Chile as well.
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What if its in the interest of the security council to hamper by way of Russia, Germany, France?
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Why on earth wouldn't we consider him powerful? He is/are powerful. Economically powerful. Very powerful.
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I wasn't talking about Saddam, "powerful", I was talking about Arab countries. Believe me they are not powerful at all. They may seem to, or someone may make them look like one, but they are a cat if you really look behind the mirror/glass. You are living in 2000+, not in 60s or 70s anymore.
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Sanctions have nearly proofed that?
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Sanctions only proved one thing, that "sanctions" are useless tool. Its not about "him" at all.
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I think he is a phony. Suddenly he is a Muslim again. And praying for the umma to fight with him.
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You are right, but then again, the population he rules is "Muslim" and its a wildcard he plays everytime he seems to be in trouble.
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For decades, the US has hampered the Security Council by vetoing against Israel. Whenever the Security Council, as a collective, has attempted to table Resolutions that criticize Israel, the US has vetoed against it outright. Why couldn't these majority countries argue then that the US has hampered their interests when it comes to Israel ? Why is it that it is only when the US wants to sponsor a Resolution, there are complaints of the use of veto power ? What of the dozens and dozens of times in the past that countries have wanted to veto Israel for its particular policies?
AAG, you come off as a very thoughtful and sensitive person on these Forums. i am sure that you believe what you are stating is accurate, just as i do. Who knows - maybe the "truth" lies somewhere in the middle of our beliefs.
For decades, the US has hampered the Security Council by vetoing against Israel. Whenever the Security Council, as a collective, has attempted to table Resolutions that criticize Israel, the US has vetoed against it outright. Why couldn't these majority countries argue then that the US has hampered their interests when it comes to Israel ? Why is it that it is only when the US wants to sponsor a Resolution, there are complaints of the use of veto power ? What of the dozens and dozens of times in the past that countries have wanted to veto Israel for its particular policies?
AAG, you come off as a very thoughtful and sensitive person on these Forums. i am sure that you believe what you are stating is accurate, just as i do. Who knows - maybe the "truth" lies somewhere in the middle of our beliefs.
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I don't know Nadia_H
Terms of Israel?
I tend to think of it as guilt because of the holocaust. And proof that the U.S. knew what might have been happening as early as 1941/1942 and did nothing to prevent the slaughter. Americans are decent people whatever the world thinks.
They are decent people, i have no doubts about that. i have often been on the receiving end of their generosity. My favourite professor is from Colorado, i love him to bits. i have no gripes against the American people.
As for your comments regarding Israel - Amira Hass is a journalist whose mother survived a concentration camp (1944). Amira covers the issue of Palestine for an Israeli newspaper (Haaretz)... read some of her articles and you will perhaps get a sense of why, according to Amira, the Israeli govt. is repeating a few terrible mistakes of the past.
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They are decent people, i have no doubts about that. i have often been on the receiving end of their generosity. My favourite professor is from Colorado, i love him to bits. i have no gripes against the American **people*.
As for your comments regarding Israel - Amira Hass is a journalist whose mother survived a concentration camp (1944). Amira covers the issue of Palestine for an Israeli newspaper (Haaretz)... read some of her articles and you will perhaps get a sense of why, according to Amira, the Israeli govt. is repeating a few terrible mistakes of the past.
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Haven't read it yet. Guessing its because that generation is treating others as they were treated. It could be the only thing they know, because they are afraid of someone trying to humiliate and degredate and gas and kill them.
I can't blame them. Can You?
And I think why they are afraid. They are under the impression everyone hates them. (And that might be right.) In the Mideast. They do not want Israel, don't want to accept even though Israel is the key to peace. And the father of all religions.
Especially in the MidEast who has gone to extremes venting their hatred for these people. They want Isrealis dead, I think. I can't blame Palestinians for that. I cannot. But what would you do. How would you behave if you were sworn enemy and no one wanted you around? Especially after the holocaust?
Can i blame them for collective punishment, humiliation, land expropriation, uprooting of centuries-old olive groves (sometimes the only source of livelihood), degrading treatment at checkpoints, bulldozing one's home - one's birthplace...
Yes, sadly, i think i can.
Reverting to the original topic - why is the US allowed to veto all the Resolutions it wants regarding Israel, but other countries - indeed the very majority of the world's countries - are not supposed to oppose US decisions ?
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Can i blame them for collective punishment, humiliation, land expropriation, uprooting of centuries-old olive groves (sometimes the only source of livelihood), degrading treatment at checkpoints, bulldozing one's home - one's birthplace...
Yes, sadly, i think i can.
Even if that was the only thing you know? And people destroyed your home and gassed your ancestors in lines? And you or your parents witnessed that?
I think the Israeli's have more in common with the Palestinans than you are I could ever understand. Does that make it right? No. Is it a defense mechanicism? Maybe.
Reverting to the original topic - why is the US allowed to veto all the Resolutions it wants regarding Israel, but other countries - indeed the very majority of the world's countries - are not supposed to oppose US decisions ?
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Who allows that? I don't think it's disallowed to disagree. I think its healthy. What law says one may not disagree?
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What law says one may not disagree?
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i have to jet in a few minutes AAG - but regarding your above comment - that's precisely it. So France, Russia, Germany, Canada, Chile, Mexico, Angola, Guinea, Cameroon, South Africa, Indonesia etc etc all have the right to disagree.
AVG Girl from America: There is no shame is expecting the security of Israel. The arabs tried time and time again to defeat the only democracy in the mid-east and time and time again they were beaten back. I think there might be some biblical ramification for this.
ISrael needs to pull back to pre-1967 borders but Arabs..all arabs including the terrorists have to agree for its right to exist securely.
If Yasar Arafat come to Sharon with a bouquet of flowers?
He would think its boobytrapped. And vice-versa.
Because both want to be told that they appreciate each other and deserve the right to survive.
How can they do this?
I don't know.
Maybe attempt to desire Israel as a neighbor and welcome like Eygpt and Jordan has? Instead of always putting them in the defensive as if they need to fight for the right to survive?
I think if this could possibly happen. Palestine is home to palestinians.
that is 7.9999999999999999 too many…