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Standing by their government because they fear them. Is it brave to fight and hide in schools and in hospitals, is it brave to use women and children and shields? Truly pathetic.
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Is it more brave to launch a cruise missle from 1000 miles away or to embark in close combat? Is it bravery that a nation so militarily strong attacks a weak nation, and then cries when Russia supplies them with some military equipment? Give me a break.
Not to mention US "Bravery" when they used the Northern Alliance to enter Kabul, Kandahar, and other Afghan cities on the ground. Yes, such bravery.
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that event of 80s. i'll try to find you a link for it. though i read about it on this same forum and then there were links and articles regarding that incident and over-up by israel. :-)
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No offense intended. But a truth.
** Just because you read something in the news or on the internet doesn't make it fact.**
Facts need supporting documentation and evidence. Needs sources. Not a news article or an internet posting.
"Is it more brave to launch a cruise missle from 1000 miles away or to embark in close combat? Is it bravery that a nation so militarily strong attacks a weak nation, and then cries when Russia supplies them with some military equipment? Give me a break."
I think what you meant to say was, is it bravery to slaughter civilian Shia and Kurds with helicopter gunships?
Bravery my hairy white butt.......
ignoring “internet posting” makes sense, but “news article” 
:yukh:
BTW, nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was?
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*Originally posted by Ohioguy: *
"Is it more brave to launch a cruise missle from 1000 miles away or to embark in close combat? Is it bravery that a nation so militarily strong attacks a weak nation, and then cries when Russia supplies them with some military equipment? Give me a break."
I think what you meant to say was, is it bravery to slaughter civilian Shia and Kurds with helicopter gunships?
Bravery my hairy white butt.......
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Yeah its a lot of bravery nuking innocent civilians and hiding behind NA... Your bravery is world renouned no need to bring it out in the open.
Your bravery is quite evident today as it was in the 50s and 60s.. Hide behind Iraqi people or stay at 30K feet you will have better luck of showing your bravery.... When you get a chance do show your bravery to little Kim aswell...
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I think what you meant to say was, is it bravery to slaughter civilian Shia and Kurds with helicopter gunships?
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A question you should ask the US government.
Changez,
Nagasaki and Hiroshima were 60 years ago, and do not constitute the ultimate trump card in any thread, any more than the slaughter of a million Bengalis in 1971 is an indication of the morality of Pakistani's today.
But from what I am reading in this thread, the conclusion seems to be that, "So what if Russia sold Iraq weapons?" Iraq is an underdog, and they should have any weapon they want. And because they are "fighting bravely", they are worthy of respect.
I find that logic repugnant on many levels, as it ignores Saddams' slaughter of about a million Muslims over the course of about 30 years.
Are you the same people who claim that "Muslim Blood is cheap"? Yet you have no problem with Russia arming this guy?
Very inconsistent....
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....Nagasaki and Hiroshima were 60 years ago, and do not constitute the ultimate trump card in any thread, any more than the slaughter of a million Bengalis in 1971 is an indication of the morality of Pakistani's today....
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The time difference does not matter, whether you NUKED them today or 60 years before, the fact remains that US did NUKE Japan. If Pakistani military killed millions does not mean that it is okay, they should be punished too, I am all for it, but through "ICJ", or "WC" or whatever the authority is, not take arms/weapons in my hand to take revenge or justify in anyway.
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But from what I am reading in this thread, the conclusion seems to be that, "So what if Russia sold Iraq weapons?" Iraq is an underdog, and they should have any weapon they want. And because they are "fighting bravely", they are worthy of respect.
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I don't know what you understand from all the posts, the only point I think is that Iraqis are doing fine job trying to defend their country against foreign invasion and if they are getting help from other country then they should, why not? US also funds one country against another, right?
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I find that logic repugnant on many levels, as it ignores Saddams' slaughter of about a million Muslims over the course of about 30 years.
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It has been repeated unlimited number of times that no one condones Saddam's action, he should be brought to justice, but justice is not achieved with arms/weapons/wars.
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But from what I am reading in this thread, the conclusion seems to be that, "So what if Russia sold Iraq weapons?" Iraq is an underdog, and they should have any weapon they want. And because they are "fighting bravely", they are worthy of respect.
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Does the US have the right to cry over Russian sales to Iraq when the US has been secretly selling weapons to the enemy (Iran) in the 80's when Saddam was their best friend and ally? Does the US have the right to cry over the geneva convention in terms of handling POW's when they have handled POW's in a much worse manner, and also paraded them on TV, as well as showing dead iraqi and taliban soldiers on TV, etc., etc. Do they have this right to complain about the convention when they are waging an illegal war?
"It has been repeated unlimited number of times that no one condones Saddam's action, he should be brought to justice, but justice is not achieved with arms/weapons/wars."
Oh, I am sure Saddam will be shaking in his boots.
Please explain what the grand plan was for bringing "Saddam to Justice"? Over the course of 12 years none was brought forward.
You do not realize that men like Saddam laugh at you. The only language Saddam understands is violence and power. Perhaps Arab countries could have invaded and forced him from power, but face it, they did not give a s$$t about the Iraqis or Saddam as long as he did not invade them.
Your words on Saddam are noble and worthy. But unless you have the will to see them through, they are shallow and worthless.
OK.
Example.
National Enquirer..
Woman gives birth to live monkey.
CNN … Allies bombing Civilians.
Over 350 deaths and 4000 casualties.
Don’t you think the headline misleading? Seems to me would say to some that there have been 4000 civilian casualties. And then the details are listed.
Not that news isn’t a source, but that when citing news sources, those sources need factual verified documented evidence to be considered a source of truth.
Otherwise they are moot.
Fret Wizard,
"waging an illegal war?"
Please discuss this with me. In 1991 Saddam signed a ceasefire agreement in which he agreed to disarm in 120 days. By 1995 a defector exposed a huge weapons program. Did he not default on the cease fire agreement?
Before you parrot this lefty rhetoric, perhaps you might go back and research what Saddam agreed to do to halt the original Gulf War. This document predates the other 14 UN resolutions, and long before the UN was created cease fire agreements were recognized in international law.
When you break a cease fire agreement, the war can restart at any time.
He is surely shaking in his boots now, right?
He also laughs at people who think he is a threat for American public.
He will understand the only language he has been taught/fed.
Wait, would US let all Arab countries invade Iraq? I don’t think so. Who considers them “powerful” anyway?
After 1st day of “attempted” bombing of Saddam, how many times more has he been bombed? Where did US “intelligence” go now?
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Where did US "intelligence" go now?
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US and "Intelligence". Isn't that an oxymoron?
Why on earth wouldn’t we consider him powerful? He is/are powerful. Economically powerful. Very powerful.
One doesn’t need gun to be powerful.
Sanctions have nearly proofed that?
I think he is a phony. Suddenly he is a Muslim again. And praying for the umma to fight with him.
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When you break a cease fire agreement, the war can restart at any time.
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...To be determined by the UN Security Council, not by any one member state.
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...To be determined by the UN Security Council, not by any one member state.
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But what if its in the interest of the Security council to hamper?
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US and "Intelligence". Isn't that an oxymoron?
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Yeah. Probobly. Thats why we limit power to a leader for 8 years.