Round two for Trial of Year [americans on trial for afghan torture]

hmmm…An interesting trial…

Round two for Kabul’s trial of year

By Andrew North
BBC correspondent in Kabul

Former US soldier Jonathan K Idema and two other Americans, Edward Caraballo and Brent Bennett, are facing charges including hostage-taking, torture, illegally entering Afghanistan and running a private jail.

Four Afghan men arrested with them in Kabul in early July are also in the dock.

Even the judge admits he has never tried a case like it.

But the key question for this next stage is this: Will Mr Idema produce any evidence for the sensational claims he made at the first hearing three weeks ago?

He said then that he was in Afghanistan on a secret anti-terrorist mission approved at the highest levels of the Pentagon - claims the US military denies.

“We were in contact directly by fax and e-mail and phone with [Defence Secretary] Donald Rumsfeld’s office,” Mr Idema said when journalists asked him to name names, “and with the deputy secretary of defence for intelligence.”

Civil war

Wearing military style fatigues, he said he had uncovered a sophisticated plot ordered by al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden to assassinate key Afghan politicians including Yunus Qanuni, now a presidential candidate, and to drive truck bombs into US military and Nato bases.

We were in contact directly by fax and e-mail and phone with Rumsfeld’s office
Jonathan K Idema

The aim of the plot, Mr Idema said, was to stoke a new civil war in Afghanistan.

All this emerged in a kind of impromptu press conference Mr Idema held before the judge had arrived, with journalists and cameramen pressing around the dock.

Mr Idema also said he had handed over a senior Taleban figure in May to the US military at its main Bagram base north of Kabul.

American spokesmen later admitted they had received an Afghan man from Mr Idema.

However, they said he was not who Mr Idema claimed and had been released two months later.

The case has been embarrassing for both the US authorities in Afghanistan as well as in Washington.

It has also raised new questions over the widespread use of private military contractors in Afghanistan.

The best known are President Hamid Karzai’s US bodyguards.

And with their trademark beards and shades, and similar weaponry, they all look very alike.

“It is very difficult to tell who’s official and who’s not,” says one Kabul-based security specialist.

‘Slew of evidence’

In this climate, many find it quite possible that the American authorities were secretly employing Jonathan Idema.

But the US military totally rejects this.

Barno: The US military has no relationship with Idema

“He is not an employee of the United States military,” Lieutenant-General David Barno, the senior US commander in Afghanistan, told the BBC.

“We have no relationship with him.”

And the general denied US forces were employing so-called “plausible denial” freelance operatives to carry out missions in Afghanistan.

“Not at all, absolutely not,” he said.

However, Mr Idema’s lawyer in America, John Tiffany, says he is assembling a “slew of evidence” which proves his client was working for the US government.

He says it includes e-mails, photographs and video, but says he does not want to reveal any details for now.

But he attacked the Afghan judicial system saying “nobody is afforded due process”.

Judge’s warning

The trial judge, Abdul Basset Bakhtiari, rejects this.

In a BBC interview, he admitted the first hearing in this “very unusual case” had not been perfect.

“We had some problems with translation,” he said, “and there was some disorder.”

But he blamed this on the behaviour of journalists.

“That doesn’t mean the Afghan legal system is weak,” he said.

Next time, the translators would be better Judge Bakhtiari promised, but also warned that journalists could be expelled from the court “if they create disorder”.

One place the events of the next hearing will be followed especially closely is at the bar of the Mustafa hotel in central Kabul, a favourite haunt for the many people working in the private security industry.

Before arrest, Jonathan Idema was sometimes among them.

Amerikans on Trial for Torturing Afghans!

Three Americans went on trial Monday, August 16, for kidnapping and torturing detainees in Afghanistan, with one of them accusing Washington of direct involvement in the scandal.

The three Americans and four of their Afghan helpers appeared before an Afghani court, including the alleged ringleader of the group, Jonathan Keith Idema, 48, of Fayetteville, N.C., a former Special Forces soldier who spent time in federal prison in the 1990s on fraud charges.

The seven men, detained on July 5 from a house in west Kabul where they were said to be running a private counter-terrorism operation, apparently hoping to score the millions of dollars on offer from the FBI and CIA for the capture of top Al-Qaeda figures including Osama bin Laden.

Pentagon Links

Idema emerged in northern Afghanistan in 2001 as a self-described security consultant, supposedly assisting the Northern Alliance, the US-supported Afghan group that was cracking down on the Taliban regime.

He told the court FBI agents had seized evidence proving his links to US authorities.

The FBI had taken from the Afghan National Directorate of Security (NDS) hundreds of videotapes, photos and documents detailing links with the FBI, the CIA, the US Defense Department and the US-led forces, Idema said.

“In front of the judge is the receipt that the FBI signed. Why did the judge allow the FBI to take evidence from the NDS?” he wondered, saying 500 pages of documents, 200 videotapes and at least 400 photos detailing had been seized, reported Agence France-Presse (AFP).

“Now it’s at the US embassy where none is ever going to see it.”

Rumsfeld’s Full Knowledge

Idema said that he and his partners, who called their operation “Task Force Sabre 7”, were working with the full knowledge of US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

Tortured

The charges come at a sensitive time when the American government is facing criticism for apparent mistreatment and torture of Iraqi detainees, with investigations into similar charges underway in Afghanistan.

Idema had already said that those Afghani captives found in his private prison were terrorists, but Afghan prosecutors say they were innocent and ordinary Afghans including a judge, a shopkeeper and a taxi driver.

Sadiq said he was kept naked and blindfolded in a small hut, forced to urinate and defecate where he sat, Washington Post reported Monday.

He said his captors doused him with cold water and played deafeningly loud music next to him.

Around him, he added,** he could hear the screams of other people being tortured.**

When he was freed on the 12th day of his ordeal, following a shootout that he heard but could not see, Sadiq said, he was told by an Afghan intelligence officer that he had not been arrested, but kidnapped, and that the three American civilians were running a private makeshift jail in a rented house to try to extract confessions.

Two allegations of prisoner abuse had emerged in Afghanistan following international outcry over the treatment of detainees in Iraq. The allegations are believed to include assault, poor living conditions and sleep deprivation.

**The New York Times carried a testimony of a former Afghan police colonel accusing the US forces of torturing and sexually abusing him while in several US-run detention centers across Afghanistan. **

Sayed Nabi Siddiqui, 47, told the American paper Wednesday, May 12, that more than once US soldiers inserted their fingers into his anus.

The Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission reported similar cases of abuse, saying Siddiqui’s story matched the one given to them last fall, shortly after his release and long before the “sadistic” abuse at the Abu Ghraib near Baghdad came to light.

Amnesty International published a report in April, hitting out at the US violations of the rights of prisoners held by the US army in Guantanamo (Cuba) and Afghanistan.

Human Rights Watch said in a report in May that the abuse of Afghan detainees by the US forces in Afghanistan was “systematic” and not limited to a few cases.
Americans On Trial Over Afghanistan Torture

What can you say more amerikkan soldiers and there sadistic torture and abuse on civilians. What kind of animals are these people supposed to be worlds best army is this what kind of training they get to put fingers in peoples backside, disgusting!

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What can you say more amerikkan soldiers and there sadistic torture and abuse on civilians. What kind of animals are these people supposed to be worlds best army is this what kind of training they get to put fingers in peoples backside, disgusting!
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Some bad apples for sure. It's quite disgusting and unacceptable and I for one share your anger.

p.s. why amerikkan shouldn't it be amerikkkan?

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Some bad apples for sure. It's quite disgusting and unacceptable and I for one share your anger.

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Everytime its bad apples why same old excuse?

Its not just a few its many. Only these are the one caught in the act what about the ones who got away?

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Its not just a few its many. Only these are the one caught in the act what about the ones who got away?
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We can leave them to Allah.

^ reallly is that what amerikka does when it goes into foriegn contries to intefere with bogus claim of going after the mysterious al qaidah !

Iraqis will not just leave it either, they will follow command of allah(swt) and fight the kuffar amerikkans untill they either dead or leave iraq!

And after America leaves I'm sure they would get along like two peas in pod.

And very tough of you to say that Iraqi's will give up there lives. Many have unwillingly lost there lives by the suicide bombs that the militants have used against the Americans, Iraq army, Iraq police, or any Iraqi that might be trying to help rebuild their country or just happens to be walking around the streets. You condemn the U.S. when they accidentally kill civilians but when the militants target innocents with these bombs you support them, hypocrite to the umpth degree.

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And after America leaves I'm sure they would get along like two peas in pod.

And very tough of you to say that Iraqi's will give up there lives. Many have unwillingly lost there lives by the suicide bombs that the militants have used against the Americans, Iraq army, Iraq police, or any Iraqi that might be trying to help rebuild their country or just happens to be walking around the streets. You condemn the U.S. when they accidentally kill civilians but when the militants target innocents with these bombs you support them, hypocrite to the umpth degree.
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Well to tell lies is a common feature with amerikkan which i have noticed, where have i supported civillian deaths?

The hypocrites are amerikkkans who went into iraq by lying to the whole world.

the whole situation is the fault of no one but the Amerikkans and everyone knows it.

Back to the topic in hand this is about Afghanistan and this just prooves wherever you have amerikkans you will have them abusing people and torturing them. Clear cut proof of the so called liberation policies of the US administration !

They now trying to cover up this mess in Afghanistan by denying they involved in tortures and killings by hiding the evidence, this US administartion is worse than mafia with its lying, cheating and killing!

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Back to the topic in hand this is about Afghanistan and this just prooves wherever you have amerikkans you will have them abusing people and torturing them. Clear cut proof of the so called liberation policies of the US administration !

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Is it fair to say wherever you find Muslims you will have them abusing people and toruturing them becauase it is practiced by Egypt, Pakistan or Saddam when dealing with prisioners? Is that clear cut proof of the fallacy of the religion of peace? Your propensity to generalize and stereotype is intellectually dishonest, not to mention very boring.

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Is it fair to say wherever you find Muslims you will have them abusing people and toruturing them becauase it is practiced by Egypt, Pakistan or Saddam when dealing with prisioners?

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Guess who supports these torturers in muslim lands i give you one guess?

Have you got yet ,

How about now

no ok i'll tell you the Amerikkan adminstration supports politically and financially and even supplies wholesale torture equipment to these brutal regimes!

If your that bored go start ranting on yankee.org your more than welcome to leave!

If the US does something wrong, it's US fault. If Muslim country does something wrong, it's US fault. If ummah is squandering in illiteracy and poverty, it's US fault, the sky is falling, it's the US fault. You sound like a broken record. Do you have anything else in your repertoire to talk about? And thanks for the invite to leave but where else could I read such perspicacious, profound and quick-witted posts as yours?

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If your that bored go start ranting on yankee.org .....
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ak, your a big high school girls volleyball fan ehh?

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If the US does something wrong, it's US fault. If Muslim country does something wrong, it's US fault. If ummah is squandering in illiteracy and poverty, it's US fault, the sky is falling, it's the US fault. You sound like a broken record. Do you have anything else in your repertoire to talk about? And thanks for the invite to leave but where else could I read such perspicacious, profound and quick-witted posts as yours?
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Well Amerikka is in Afghanistan torturing and abusing civillians and in iraq something the whole world knows.

Secondly i pointed out another fact that US administration supports and sells torture equipment to the very regimes you complaining about.

And finally The Amerikkkans are the broken record AL Qaida this AL qaida that, al qaida in your attic al qaida in your neighbourhood al qaida in every nook and cranny imaginable etc etc blah blah and another blah.

Hopefully these digusting peverted amerikkkans who torture afghan civillians will be hanged or shot as an example!