ROOH AUR JAAN

[Kaleem]

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@armughal

the mention of rooh here is not for general spirits, but the mention if to AL-ROOH which is specific use for hazrat jibraeel (as).... as in many other places in the Quran.... in one place he is also referred to as al-rooh-ul-quds (meaning holy spirit)....

armughal, I disagree. I am well aware of the fact that Hazrat Jibraeel is mentioned that way in Quran, however, this is not one of the instances. It is clearly about the day of judgement and ALLAH is describing what will take place.

[armughal]

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^ kaleem bhai, the verse u mentioned is very clearly mentioning AL-ROOH which means "the spirit", which means just one soul whoever it is referring to....
and hence it cannot be used to refer to all the souls of the men and jinns....
and once u understand that the reference is to just one rooh, then u can see that in other places in the Quran the reference is to Jibraeel (as).....

[qasim1980]

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@armughal

^ kaleem bhai, the verse u mentioned is very clearly mentioning AL-ROOH which means "the spirit", which means just one soul whoever it is referring to.... and hence it cannot be used to refer to all the souls of the men and jinns.... and once u understand that the reference is to just one rooh, then u can see that in other places in the Quran the reference is to Jibraeel (as).....

AAP FARMA DIJIYE KE ROOH MEREY RAB KE KHUKKAM SE BANI HAI AUR TUM KO IS BAREY MAIN BOHAT THORA ILM DIYA GAYA HAI.
Para: 15, Subhan Allahzi
Surrah: Bani Israel
Rukoo: 10

SO JIS WAQT ROOH HALLAK TAK AA POHANCHTI HAI TO TUM US WAQT TIKAA KARTEY HO AUR HUM US SHAHS KE TUM SE BHI ZIYADA NAZDEED HOTEY HAIN LAKIN TUM SAMAJTEY NAHIN HO.
Para: 27, Kaal Fama
Surrah: Wakia
Rukoo:3

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these references that i mentioned are just to show that rooh is not aqeeda because many people think that rooh is only aqeeda.

[Light_Bearer]

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@qasim1980

AAP FARMA DIJIYE KE ROOH MEREY RAB KE KHUKKAM SE BANI HAI AUR TUM KO IS BAREY MAIN BOHAT THORA ILM DIYA GAYA HAI. Para: 15, Subhan Allahzi Surrah: Bani Israel Rukoo: 10

SO JIS WAQT ROOH HALLAK TAK AA POHANCHTI HAI TO TUM US WAQT TIKAA KARTEY HO AUR HUM US SHAHS KE TUM SE BHI ZIYADA NAZDEED HOTEY HAIN LAKIN TUM SAMAJTEY NAHIN HO. Para: 27, Kaal Fama Surrah: Wakia Rukoo:3

You still bloody don't get the point do you?

[Light_Bearer]

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@Kaleem

LB, please take a look at this:

078.038 يَوْمَ يَقُومُ الرُّوحُ وَالْمَلائِكَةُ صَفًّا لا يَتَكَلَّمُونَ إِلا مَنْ أَذِنَ لَهُ الرَّحْمَنُ وَقَالَ صَوَابًا 078.038 The Day that the Spirit and the angels will stand forth in ranks, none shall speak except any who is permitted by (Allah) Most Gracious, and He will say what is right. Al-Qur'an, 078.038 (an-Naba [The Tidings, The Announcement])

Yeah yeah I agree but still it is a matter of faith.

[Light_Bearer]

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@SlaveofAllaah

Do you breath brother i hope you do and what do we say "I want some air to breath" **Forget about rooh, difine me shape, color and quantity of Air. Go ahead. **I asked air, coz this indispensable for our living otherwise death is inevitable.

Are you ttrying to be funny, because I find you not. Anyway the answer to your question is the shape of the air you breath is a same as your lungs, the color is colorless, and the quantity is based on person to person.
Now lets not forget about the rooh, it too freaking convinient.
Define me the shape of rooh?
What is the color of the rooh?
And the quantity of the rooh?

On top of that;
What it looks like?
Does it have a gender?
Is it gender biased?
Is it racial?
Can we have an interview?
Can we capture one on camera?
Have you seen your own? If yes describe it.

[SlaveofAllaah]

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@Light Bearer

Are you ttrying to be funny, because I find you not. Anyway the answer to your question is the shape of the air you breath is a same as your lungs, the color is colorless, and the quantity is based on person to person. Now lets not forget about the rooh, it too freaking convinient. Define me the shape of rooh? What is the color of the rooh? And the quantity of the rooh?

On top of that; What it looks like? Does it have a gender? Is it gender biased? Is it racial? Can we have an interview? Can we capture one on camera? Have you seen your own? If yes describe it.

Can you please provide me with evidence. I let you to prove me all the stuff fine,which is in bold fine. Please do it for my sake i m being funny, but i want you to provide me evidence. Think i m fool fine. Thanks in advance

[Light_Bearer]

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^You still missed it. I am saying there is rooh but cannot be proved.
We believe in rooh only because it says in the scriptures, which by default makes it a faith issue. And if you try to think faith is just that, "Faith".
So for faithless it means nothing. I hope you understand what I am trying to say. Most matter of faiths cannot be proven.

[SlaveofAllaah]

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@Light Bearer

^You still missed it. I am saying there is rooh but cannot be proved. We believe in rooh only because it says in the scriptures, which by default makes it a faith issue. And if you try to think faith is just that, "Faith". So for faithless it means nothing. I hope you understand what I am trying to say. Most matter of faiths cannot be proven.

Fine bro, i asked you for evidence of something we need for each second in our life, you couldnt provide. But if you belief that you need oxygen, or air again its a belief which has none of your mentioned 3 attributes. Forget about the scriptures, let us come down to basic necessities of life and then prove it.

Well air, electricity, electromagnetic waves, microwaves the scientists proved all these entitities exist but are abstract. None of them have color, shape, size but still we believe we have faith, it exists.

We can quote a millions, suppose there is Made in Japan tag on your watch you believe its from Japan but were you physically there when it was designed. Well, here I am not talking about scriptures at all but we do believe in this. I respect you as an atheist but you fail when evidence has to be provided.

Make me believe why should I be an atheist, now dont get with teh usual answer its left you and I dont force any individual, well if thats the case you shouldnt be posting your views here.

Now I relate the concept of spirits to the aforementioned concept, well that doesnt mean you are scott free to answer my questions. Well therein lies you answer.

[MKF]

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Light bearer i can simply have sympathy with you.

You are right that rooh is a belief or Aqeeda, its existence may be proven with logics but not in laboratory. Perhaps this was the reason that we are advised not to delve deep into it, more we deep we go, more confused we get.

Rooh is Amr-e-Rabbi & just like its Rabb, its existence can be observed with signs but not physical. It does'nt mean that any one is refuting the presence of Rooh but what my other brothers are failing to understand is that once you mean exist it means physical existence related to this physical world. We should rather say that it exists but beyond the confines of this physical world like all the religious beliefs.

[SlaveofAllaah]

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@Mazhar-Kaleem-Fan

Light bearer i can simply have sympathy with you.

You are right that rooh is a belief or Aqeeda, its existence may be proven with logics but not in laboratory. Perhaps this was the reason that we are advised not to delve deep into it, more we deep we go, more confused we get.

Rooh is Amr-e-Rabbi & just like its Rabb, its existence can be observed with signs but not physical. It does'nt mean that any one is refuting the presence of Rooh but what my other brothers are failing to understand is that once you mean exist it means physical existence related to this physical world. We should rather say that it exists but beyond the confines of this physical world like all the religious beliefs.

Mazhar, understand one thing you cant satisfy each and everyone in this world. The fact is they are many things which exists in this world but are not tangible rooh is just one of them, everyting is a sign of Allaah and not only rooh. But the names have arised linguistically, over a period of time.

Though most things existed long ago they are into existence today thats what I mean, you should understand and all the Muslims here that for a Muslim each and everythig created by Allaah is a sign onto us for the existence of Allaah. Well I want to conclude that millions of things exists but we believe they exist though they tangibility is beyond definition.

This is the ilm, that Allaah is granted us with, so like you rightly said it is in the confinement of a Human being, well but when people ask for evidence rather its a duty on us to ask them for Proof before hand, as stated by Allaah Qul haatoo burhanakum in kuntum saadiqeen.

Well, in cases such as Air, microwaves, frequency, speed, which have today become a necessity in life are beyond human comprehension, well as long as a human does not delve into these issues its fine. But I know what LB is going through he in a quest of finding the right answer, this is a difficult period coz I have faced the similar situation. If LB is rightly guided then its good for him.

[Light_Bearer]

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@SlaveofAllaah

We can quote a millions, suppose there is Made in Japan tag on your watch you believe its from Japan but were you physically there when it was designed. Well, here I am not talking about scriptures at all but we do believe in this. I respect you as an atheist but you fail when evidence has to be provided.

So if I don't provide evidence I become wrong......... hmmm very well I am ready to accept that. Please provide your evidence of rooh so we can understand a bit better. If you donot have any evidence you are equally wrong and I will be surprised if you admit it.

@SlaveofAllaah

Make me believe why should I be an atheist, now dont get with teh usual answer its left you and I dont force any individual, well if thats the case you shouldnt be posting your views here.

Bro, I really lost you on this. Can you please explain what you are trying to say?

@SlaveofAllaah

Now I relate the concept of spirits to the aforementioned concept, well that doesnt mean you are scott free to answer my questions. Well therein lies you answer.

I really lost you again. What's your point?

[Light_Bearer]

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@Mazhar-Kaleem-Fan

Light bearer i can simply have sympathy with you.

You don't have to sympathise man, I am really ok.

@Mazhar-Kaleem-Fan

You are right that rooh is a belief or Aqeeda, its existence may be proven with logics but not in laboratory. Perhaps this was the reason that we are advised not to delve deep into it, more we deep we go, more confused we get.

Thats what I was trying to say for last two days. But some people were admanant that they can prove.

@Mazhar-Kaleem-Fan

We should rather say that it exists but beyond the confines of this physical world like all the religious beliefs.

Thanx God you said it, I am trying to say the same thing and everybody turned against me.

[Light_Bearer]

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@SlaveofAllaah

But I know what LB is going through he in a quest of finding the right answer, this is a difficult period coz I have faced the similar situation. If LB is rightly guided then its good for him.

Thanx for your concern. Really bro.

[MKF]

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Light bearer my sympathies were for the reason that you were trying others to understand what you are saying but no body was thinking on that line and refuting without understanding what you want to say.

[Light_Bearer]

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^my bad.

[Sister_J]

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Jaan is a timely thing which keeps our body working. When we die, Jaan ends.

Rooh was created before body and when a baby comes to this world, he gets the Rooh. After death the rooh goes to alam-e arwah and on the day of judgement everyone will get his Rooh back into his body and then he will go to Jannah/Dozakh.

[MKF]

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good explanation

[USResident]

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LB, if I have asked this before them forgive my forgetfulness however, are you an atheist?

[Kaleem]

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Ok, I was looking for this refrence and found it, this should put an end to the discussion:

032.007 الَّذِي أَحْسَنَ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ خَلَقَهُ وَبَدَأَ خَلْقَ الإنْسَانِ مِنْ طِينٍ
032.007 He Who has made everything which He has created most good: He began the creation of man with (nothing more than) clay,
032.008 ثُمَّ جَعَلَ نَسْلَهُ مِنْ سُلالَةٍ مِنْ مَاءٍ مَهِينٍ
032.008 And made his progeny from a quintessence of the nature of a fluid despised:
032.009 ثُمَّ سَوَّاهُ وَنَفَخَ فِيهِ مِنْ** رُوحِهِ** وَجَعَلَ لَكُمُ السَّمْعَ وَالأبْصَارَ وَالأفْئِدَةَ قَلِيلا مَا تَشْكُرُونَ
032.009 But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!
Al-Qur'an, 032.007-009 (As-Sajda [The Prostration, Worship, Adoration])