Role of Opposition

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The topic is role of opposition. If government did not perform well, then opposition including IK performance was extremely poor. IK had alliance with PML(N) on Multan seat.

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What you have said enough emply that the current Govt is even worse then Zia's dictatorship, where the later even allowed such actions to be discussed/debated in the parliament and now the govt gets the bill approved in 60+ minutes without having any debate on the issue, even the Senators of the Govt Party ( likes of Aitzaz and Raza Rabbani) had their reservations over the way it was done, now thank for reminding us all that even Zia's non-party parliament had more weight then Zardari's parliament...

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No I did not. I said even one person in opposition can play hell with the government even it is ruled by dictator. Your people never debated in the parliament, they simply cowardly walked out. How dumb and stupid they are.

They never argued in the parliament on other most important issues I have already mentioned in my earlier post. Don't you agree this opposition is just fighting personal feud with Zardari?

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If you have missed it, Ishaq Daar in the senate, asked for two days time to read the bill and then have a debate on it and that was in senate, in the NA, the oppostion asked for the debate, but your zardari wanted this bill to be pased in record time, so no debate ever happened, the bill just got approved on the basis of majority.... tell me did the deputy speaker allowed a debate in the house on the issue or he simply issued the verdict that the bill has been approved, same happened in Senate.... when govt is not ready to listen, when govt do not want to have debate and all the focus and intention is there to use the parliament as a rubber stamp, then my dear debates do not take place as they are no allowed by the govt to happen, which exactly happened here...

Now once the bill is approved, no matter what opposition says doesn't matter because debates take place before the approval of the bill and not after the approval, and that is an urgent session called by the govt, where the regular session was only few days away...

The bill is perfect example of using the majority for bad law making in the history of the parliament of the world.

Just for your Info, following are the procedures normally followed for the approval of a bill

1) Submitting the bill in the agenda of the NA

2) Distributing the copies of the Bill to all the parliamentarians so they can study it

3) Forwarding the bill to relevant working group/committee to study the draft and finalize it

OR Bill is debated in the Parliament, where parties speaks in favor and against or modification of the bill

3) once above is done, then the bill go for the voting in the NA...

In the case of this bill, Bill was not on the agenda, the draft of the bill was not given to the parliamentarians, the draft or the content of the bill was not debated because no enough time was given, the only thing they did is, presented the bill and approved it in recored amount of time, that is 60 minutes...

I still do not know, why govt was in such a hurry... the bill got approved is against the spirit of the constitution, the govt never wanted to have this bill discussed, debate in the assembly nor in the media or in the public so that the bill might get rejected by the allies because of public pressure...

do you have any idea why the Judges of the SC have called for the record of this bill, yeah you may have guessed it write because they wanted to know if the procedure has been followed for this bill.... so there are many grounds that this bill is going to be thrown out of the window...

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What about other issues? Did PML(N) table any bill against contempt law and other issues in the parliament? Please tell just one bill which had related to the problems of common men?

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^^^ Table bill against the contempt bill, hello, kya roza lag raha hay??? the way how the whole wide world does it, if the bill passed by the parliament is against the spirit of the constitution then it is challenged in the SC... and that is what has been done!!!

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The sanctity of Khana Kaaba would have been violated I agree, but the people who had occupied it had the same mentality of our taleban/alqaeda brothers and they had taken around 100000 people as hostage. There was no other way to have those people/Kaaba freed.

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Many clauses changed in 1973 constitution by parliament. It is not final. PML(N) instead of going to supreme court (who had already condemned for walking out of opposition) should have filed amendment in the law. Wasn't this more affective instead of going to Ch. Iftekhar? Why because Ch Iftekhar only decides cases against PPP one way traffic?

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^ I agree. Going to supreme court is useless. The government is not going to implement court rulings anyways.

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It all depends who you give more weight, whether parliament in law making process which ultimately becomes part of constitution or CJ whose decisions are purely subjective violating constitution, ignoring the importance of parliament and decisions which are one sided only.

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You forgot to mention a parliament whose sole (or should I say soul) purpose is harm khori.

Making as much money as they can, using any and all means, while caring nothing at all for the common people. When it is about them they reach a all-inclusive consensus within hours. When it has got something to do with the general population, most bills and amendments linger on for years.

Even if we go by your assumption that CJ’s decision are subjective and one sided, the parliament has nothing to show either.

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Neither all parliamentarians are haram khor nor all judges including CJ are honest.

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This I can agree with, but I was speaking in ultimate terms.

If the parliament is passing a detrimental new law what good are 50 votes against it going to do, when say 150 or 200 are in favor of it. At the end of the day the parliament’s job is to work towards betterment of the country and the people, while the court’s job is to uphold the law.

Again, I’m not saying all parliamentarians are bad, or all judges are totally honest, they just aren’t.

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Who has stopped them to table an amendment? Again name any bill opposition has tabled in last 4 1/2 years for benefit of the masses?

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Is this CJ working as mpa PML(N) of Punjab assembly? Why he wants to pacify mpa/mnas of PML(N)? Re tracking his own words, why?

Judges in rare bid to pacify legislators | DAWN.COM

ISLAMABAD: Feeling the heat of the much-criticised remarks made by some judges, including the chief justice, over the role of the opposition in parliament during the passage of the new contempt law, the Supreme Court on Monday tried to pacify the parliamentarians and said the court always sought wisdom from them.

“They (parliamentarians) are not against us. We seek wisdom from them and when during the proceedings we read the debate made in the two houses we learn about the discussion on every aspect of the law,” observed Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry who heads a five-judge special bench hearing a set of identical petitions challenging the Contempt of Court Act, 2012.

On July 27, members of the treasury benches in Senate had expressed concern over the judges’ remarks and said the judiciary should exercise restraint in dealing with the parliament.

Earlier, Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan of the PML-N had, in a hard-hitting statement, described the remarks as disappointing, unfair, unjust and beyond comprehension.

Although the opposition had walked out of the house during the vote count before the passage of the contempt law, its members had participated in the debate, the chief justice recalled.