Robert Fisk on Israeli terrorism.

For all those naive pseudo liberals on this forum who continue parroting the zionists, and think murdering 600 palestinians is somehow justifiable…

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Why do they hate the West so much, we will ask
By Robert Fisk
Thursday, 08 Jan, 2009 | 09:37 AM PST |

So once again, Israel has opened the gates of hell to the Palestinians. Forty civilian refugees dead in a United Nations school, three more in another. Not bad for a night’s work in Gaza by the army that believes in “purity of arms”. But why should we be surprised?

Have we forgotten the 17,500 dead – almost all civilians, most of them children and women – in Israel’s 1982 invasion of Lebanon; the 1,700 Palestinian civilian dead in the Sabra-Chatila massacre; the 1996 Qana massacre of 106 Lebanese civilian refugees, more than half of them children, at a UN base; the massacre of the Marwahin refugees who were ordered from their homes by the Israelis in 2006, then slaughtered by an Israeli helicopter crew; the 1,000 dead of that same 2006 bombardment and Lebanese invasion, almost all of them civilians?

What is amazing is that so many Western leaders, so many presidents and prime ministers and, I fear, so many editors and journalists, bought the old lie: that Israelis take such great care to avoid civilian casualties. “Israel makes every possible effort to avoid civilian casualties,” yet another Israeli ambassador said only hours before the Gaza massacre. And every president and prime minister who repeated this mendacity as an excuse to avoid a ceasefire has the blood of last night’s butchery on their hands. Had George Bush had the courage to demand an immediate ceasefire 48 hours earlier, those 40 civilians, the old and the women and children, would be alive.

What happened was not just shameful. It was a disgrace. Would war crime be too strong a description? For that is what we would call this atrocity if it had been committed by Hamas. So a war crime, I’m afraid, it was. After covering so many mass murders by the armies of the Middle East – by Syrian troops, by Iraqi troops, by Iranian troops, by Israeli troops – I suppose cynicism should be my reaction. But Israel claims it is fighting our war against “international terror”. The Israelis claim they are fighting in Gaza for us, for our Western ideals, for our security, for our safety, by our standards. And so we are also complicit in the savagery now being visited upon Gaza.

I’ve reported the excuses the Israeli army has served up in the past for these outrages. Since they may well be reheated in the coming hours, here are some of them: that the Palestinians killed their own refugees, that the Palestinians dug up bodies from cemeteries and planted them in the ruins, that ultimately the Palestinians are to blame because they supported an armed faction, or because armed Palestinians deliberately used the innocent refugees as cover.

The Sabra and Chatila massacre was committed by Israel’s right-wing Lebanese Phalangist allies while Israeli troops, as Israel’s own commission of inquiry revealed, watched for 48 hours and did nothing. When Israel was blamed, Menachem Begin’s government accused the world of a blood libel. After Israeli artillery had fired shells into the UN base at Qana in 1996, the Israelis claimed that Hezbollah gunmen were also sheltering in the base. It was a lie. The more than 1,000 dead of 2006 – a war started when Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers on the border – were simply dismissed as the responsibility of the Hezbollah. Israel claimed the bodies of children killed in a second Qana massacre may have been taken from a graveyard. It was another lie. The Marwahin massacre was never excused. The people of the village were ordered to flee, obeyed Israeli orders and were then attacked by an Israeli gunship. The refugees took their children and stood them around the truck in which they were travelling so that Israeli pilots would see they were innocents. Then the Israeli helicopter mowed them down at close range. Only two survived, by playing dead. Israel didn’t even apologise.

Twelve years earlier, another Israeli helicopter attacked an ambulance carrying civilians from a neighbouring village – again after they were ordered to leave by Israel – and killed three children and two women. The Israelis claimed that a Hezbollah fighter was in the ambulance. It was untrue. I covered all these atrocities, I investigated them all, talked to the survivors. So did a number of my colleagues. Our fate, of course, was that most slanderous of libels: we were accused of being anti-Semitic.

And I write the following without the slightest doubt: we’ll hear all these scandalous fabrications again. We’ll have the Hamas-to-blame lie – heaven knows, there is enough to blame them for without adding this crime – and we may well have the bodies-from-the-cemetery lie and we’ll almost certainly have the Hamas-was-in-the-UN-school lie and we will very definitely have the anti-Semitism lie. And our leaders will huff and puff and remind the world that Hamas originally broke the ceasefire. It didn’t. Israel broke it, first on November 4 when its bombardment killed six Palestinians in Gaza and again on November 17 when another bombardment killed four more Palestinians.

Yes, Israelis deserve security. Twenty Israelis dead in 10 years around Gaza is a grim figure indeed. But 600 Palestinians dead in just over a week, thousands over the years since 1948 – when the Israeli massacre at Deir Yassin helped to kick-start the flight of Palestinians from that part of Palestine that was to become Israel – is on a quite different scale. This recalls not a normal Middle East bloodletting but an atrocity on the level of the Balkan wars of the 1990s. And of course, when an Arab bestirs himself with unrestrained fury and takes out his incendiary, blind anger on the West, we will say it has nothing to do with us. Why do they hate us, we will ask? But let us not say we do not know the answer.

Re: Robert Fisk on Israeli terrorism.

Thanks Med911 !! It is an important article !!! :slight_smile: What he says is very true !

I have already posted it in this link :

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/world-affairs/307733-robert-fisk-why-do-they-hate-west-so-much-we-will-ask.html

There is another interesting article if you want, written by a Western journalist about Hamas :

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/world-affairs/307552-hamas-explained-william-sieghart.html

Re: Robert Fisk on Israeli terrorism.

Thanks for posting.

I am just wondering how Burqposh and other dont post in these threads.

Re: Robert Fisk on Israeli terrorism.

Two Jewish scholars:

"We are part of an increasing number of people around the world of Jewish descent who are sickened by the coldly calculated massacre of the Palestinians of Gaza and who utterly repudiate Israel’s claim that it acts in the name of Jews the world over"
...

" As scholars working in the fields of genocide studies and research into the long history of European colonization, it seems clear to us that Israel – as in the history of white Australia since 1788 – is a genocidal settler colonial society that since its founding in 1948 continually seeks to destroy the foundations of life of the indigenous Palestinians"

These people are not naive; these mercenaries are doing it deliberately with full knowledge and understanding; nor are they liberal Muslims, because liberal or conservative, no Muslim can ever support such atrocities against any human being, let alone Muslims.

These people are not just pro-Nazi Zionists, they are actually anti-Muslim, because no neutral person can support these massacres regardless of being theist or atheist.

Re: Robert Fisk on Israeli terrorism.

US today not voted in Security Council against Israel .14 members said STOP WAR , US did not VOTE !!!

But just wait, this US policy will give birth to 10 more OBL and US and its citizens would fear more just for the loyalty of Israeli they show.

Loyal to Israel not to US , its agenda of every US President and its government

Thanks… Robert Fisk is truly one of the most genuine and humane people in the world… If you listen to him speak you can really understand how much he cares.
He has done a great job in supporting the Palestinians and airing their side of the conflict.

Lacking the Just Nerve it takes to accept a wrong, and the old die hard habit of parroting the punchlines.

Israel and its genocidial atrocities deserve the anti-semitism it gets worldwide. US calls for elections in Palestine, Israel supports the idea that it will prolong peace and give some "validity" to Zionists for their presence. Hamas wins fair and square, US/Israel reject the results because they just cannot see Hamas in power. Smacks to me like Anti-Semitism towards Hamas from Zionist lead regime of Israel. Unless ofcourse that term is preserved for the so-called "victims" of Holocaust.