Rise in attacks against Shias

when will this madness end? Media tries to portray it as sectarian violence, but I don’t think its a war between Shias and Sunnis, but rather its about this third faction which aims at creating division and chaos. Just today there was an attack outside an Imam bargah in Karachi, Thanks to the brave guard who shot women who were carrying explosives, though as reports are coming out few people were injured and also yesterday, there was an attack outside an Imam bargah in Rawalpindi left many injured. Targeting Shia and specially professionals, doctors/lawyers and clerics has become a norm, from Quetta to Karachi.

On the other hand, we see persecution of Barelvis and Ahmedis on a daily basis as well, but clearly Shias have suffered more in this bloodshed. What is the solution to this? When banned outfits claim responsibility after target killing of Shia professionals and clerics, what is stopping govt, law enforcement and judiciary in taking action against these murderers? Is it because they are harbouring and patronizing them? why is it that prosecuting terrorists in our country sucha big problem?

According to Human rights Watch, 800 Shias were killed in year 2012 alone.
Wht a sad state of affairs we have miserbly failed to protect our minorities.

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**Pakistan’s Shia genocide **

It is believed that since the early 1990s, nearly 4,000 Pakistani Shias have been murdered in sectarian attacks, and at a pace which has rapidly accelerated in recent years. The tragic irony of this increasingly violent sectarianism is that Muhammad Ali Jinnah, widely known and revered as the “Father of the Nation” of Pakistan was himself a Shia Muslim though he maintained a secular public religious identity and preached the same for the country which he created.

His famous speech to Pakistanis in which he said: “You are free; you are free to go to your temples. You are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed…”, signifies how far modern-Pakistan has departed from its founding ideals and become a place where the country’s founder himself would likely be threatened and unwelcome.

Ahmadis, Barelvis, Christians and Hindus have all become subject to persecution within an increasingly religiously-chauvinistic Pakistani society, but it is Shias who have suffered the highest toll of bloodshed and whose fate is most tied to external forces intent on using Pakistan as a battleground for broader regional conflicts.

In an interview given to Reuters, Malik Ishaq, the leader of one of Pakistan’s most notorious anti-Shia extremist groups Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ) declared Shia Muslims “the greatest infidels on earth” and demanded that the Pakistani state “declare Shia non-Muslims on the basis of their beliefs”.

Ishaq’s demagoguery is not idle talk, LeJ death squads are believed to have been responsible for the killings of thousands of Shias throughout the country, including a campaign of targeted murders in 2011 which killed dozens of Shia doctors, lawyers and politicians residing in the major port-city of Karachi.

One lower-level LeJ operative now in police custody, Mahmoud Baber, reportedly choked with pride and emotion while describing to reporters his “great satisfaction” at being involved in 14 murders over his militant career, saying of the organisations purpose: “Get rid of Shias. That is our goal. May God help us”.
Despite his unrepentant advocacy and propagation of violence, Ishaq himself has been acquitted over 30 times on homicide and terrorism charges - an incredible run of judicial fortune which many have attributed to covert support from elements within Pakistan’s national security establishment which have long cultivated such groups as potential weapons against regional rival such as India.

Indeed, while organisations like the LeJ, Pakistani Taliban, Lashkar-e-Taiba and offshoots such as the Sipah-e-Sahaba (SSP) focus their violence on Pakistani Shias, they are representative of a broader regional narrative to which the Shia community is largely a victim of geopolitical circumstance and manipulation by external parties.

Pakistan has long been a front in the battle for regional influence between Iran and Saudi Arabia, and the patronage of violent extremist groups primarily by the latter has been utilised as a tool to counter potential Iranian influence within the country.

The Pakistani Shia population, as well as the Pakistan’s social cohesion as a whole, have been the collateral damage in this battle as wealthy Gulf donors have armed and funded sectarian death squads to wreak havoc against Pakistani Shias and other religious minorities within the country.
Pakistan’s Shia genocide - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

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Pakistan killing: Shia cleric shot dead in Lahore
A prominent Shia cleric has been shot dead in the Pakistani city of Lahore, sparking an outcry from members of the city’s Shia community.
Gunmen on a motorbike killed Allama Nasir Abbas late on Sunday night as he was going home in his car after a religious gathering.

Pakistan Shia lawyer and sons shot dead in Karachi
BBC News - Pakistan Shia lawyer and sons shot dead in Karachi

KARACHI: At least five Shia Muslims, including two doctors, were gunned down Monday and three others were injured in different parts of Pakistan’s port city of Karachi, police officials said.
Gunmen kill five Shias in Karachi - DAWN.COM

Under Attack: Who Will Stop the Killing of Pakistan’s Shi’ites?
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Shias have become a punching bag in Pakistan. It looks as if only Muslims, especially Sunnis are relatively safe in the country. Karachi has been a fertile killing ground for Shias to be killed regularly, but now the madness seems to have arrived in Lahore along with extortion wave. Media is abuzz with reports of extortionists spreading their reach to the plains of Punjab, but Shahbaz government does not seem to be in any hurry to wake up to the ground realities.

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Attack on Karachi imambargah foiled

KARACHI: Security guards deputed at an imambargah near Karachi’s Khalid bin Waleed Road foiled an attack as two explosive-laden women tried to enter the place of worship on Wednesday, DawnNews reported.

One of the women was shot dead whereas the other was critically injured as the guards opened fire as when the burqa-clad women tried to force their way inside.

Security and rescue teams reached the site of incident and cordoned off the area as a probe into the incident went underway.

Police officials later confirmed that both women were equipped with explosives.

Moreover, the husband of the explosive-laden women who was killed was taken into custody by authorities.

The body and the injured woman were shifted to a hospital where sources said both were related.

Dawn

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This has become a regional problem now. Some one told me of an instance in which some people in UAE requested the government to allow them an imam bargah in UAE. The government asked them to prepare a petition and have signatures of others who support the idea. They took signatures of 5-6000 people to make their case stronger. The government deported all of them.

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Some people are trying to create a sectarian issue in Pakistan for the past ten yeas but they have failed so far. The beat way to divide a country is to foment sectarian tensions there. Sadly the events of the past few months show as if we are inching towards an open sectarian war which would be very messy/bloody.

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This has become a menace because there is patronage for sectarian terrorists at the biggest echelons of power in Pakistan. Punjab government is in alliance with Sipahe Sahaba and similar extremists. Chief Justice of Supreme Court was actually lauded by extremists for the "help" he provided them in creating terror and killing people with impunity. KPK and Balochistan governments also overlook th.eir terrorist activities because the vote-bank of victims is insignificant politically.

What they don't understand is that this monster will bite everyone later. That is for certain. They have learned no lesson from their stupid policies in the past. There still are many terrorism-apologists in the whole society.

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true and many of these daily target killings of Shias in Karachi go unreported, we only hear about Shia killings when there is an attack on their mosque or a prominent Shia professional was involved. As for Shahbaz government, the less I say the better, Thanks to him and Rana Sanaullah that we have terrorists roaming around freely, it's not in their priorities or interests to take action against them, as they do not want to jeapordize their political alliance with murderers.

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deporting people with names like Ali, Hussain and Abbas has become a norm there. Ashura is banned there, and they are barred from any political participation.

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likewise, I do not look it as a sectarian strife, Shias and Sunnis have coexisted in harmony for years it was only after creation of banned outfits alied with taliban groups that we start witnessing bloodbath. Infact, things were not as bad till 2005, but now it seems like things are fast getting out of control, no fear of law, only jungle law prevails here. During Nawaz Tenure, who is like a puppet of Saudis, I have no hope that he will do something about persecution of minorities in Pakistan, he has a soft corner for these banned outfits.
We have Iraq example in front of us, where Saudi funded groups are killings shias left right and center. and noone has the spine to call a spade a spade.

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khoji, Sane Pakistanis know this, it's just we dont raise our voices, because we are not affected by it.
I mean when supreme court releases head of banned outfit on the basis of "lack of evidence", who made sure all the witnesses were killed, can we really expect to see justice for victims families? Prosecuting terrorists is such a big problem in our country. Nobody wants to come forward and speak against these murderers, out of fear and no protection provided by police and those who courageously speak, are killed.

Like you stated, their political alliance is more important than innocent lives. And those who are silent, because they are not affected by it, wait till it reaches their homes, Our silence adds to the oppressor narrative.

Bitter reality is that, today minorities, Shias, Ahmedis and Christians are alot more safer in non muslim countries than Pakistan. Is this the same Pakistan Quaid envisioned?

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This

This should be noted/made sticky etc because when the time comes , the blame will be on US, Jews,Indians etc and not laskar e dangar and their likes whom are given free hand to kill whoever whenever thay want

Just like when afganistan was attack and the afganistan mullah said to pakistan "do not provide any help to america or I will make pakistan to another afganistan "

Its shifted and all the gand and fitna is /operated in pakistan now

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2012 was the year of shia-dominated government. If they have failed to protect them, then I'm afraid the worst is yet to come.
Pml-N govt is SSP/LeJ friendly.

In my opinion, Shias are being killed because they are "Gustaakh e Sahaba (R.A)". Their mullahs openly abusing Sahaba (R.A) offends everyone, hence the violence in Pakistan would never come to an end.

And the death penalty must be brought back.

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so it is justified to kill them over this? This is the same excuse SSP provides when they kill Shias, also as opposed to popular belief, I dont think it's actuallly true that every single Shia does this. This is a huge misconception. at least I have never heard Sane scholars doing this or my Shia friends for that matter.

Anyways, back to the topic, do u think Shias attitude instigated this? and SSP will stop killing them the day hurling insults stops? If you do, then I'm sorry to break it to you, SSP staunch hatred for Shias and labeling them as "infidels" wont come to an end, they will keep on killing Shias, as they have got support from the state and also this is a well planned systematic killing funded by Saudis and same is being witnessed in Iraq as well.

Also, They haven't just killed Shias, but many Sunnis as well. the sooner we wake up and raise our voice against this, the better for this country and our generations to come.

یہ آگ ابھی میرے گھر نہیں پہنچی...اس لیے سب ٹھیک ہے.
ہم نے ٹھیکہ جو لیا ہے اِس گمراہ امت ِمسلم کو راہِ راست پر لانے کا. همارے لیے اصل پیغام کوی اہمیت نہیں رکھتا. ہم تو دین فروشوں کی غلامی کو ہی اپنی زندگی سمجھ بیٹھے ہیں. اگر ہم نےماضی کی غلطیوں سے کچھ سیکھا ہے تو وہ ىہ کہ بلی کے انے پر کتنی دیر آنکھیں بند کرنی ہیں.

انسیانیت کو کب کا دفنا دیا اب تو ہم بس انسانیت کے نام پراخلاقی چندہ اکٹھا کرتے ہیں. مذہب اپنا کر بھی لادین رہے

چیخ چیخ کے بول یہ جو ہو رہا ہے غلط ہو رہا ہے اِس سے پہلے کے تیرے لفظ اپنا اثر اور وزن کھو دیں

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DMD, you are right in pointing out that we need to reflect and learn from our past mistakes, but

I don't know when will our leaders learn from their past mistakes, these monsters which were created 20-30 years ago and are now killing our own people and we remain silent.
It is commendable to see that Shias have shown restraint and patience for all these years, had they retaliated we wouldve witness a civil war.

But like Ali_Syed pointed out I think looking at how consistently killings are occuring, we maybe heading in that way and become another Iraq.

We raise our voice against drone strikes and bomb blasts by taliban, in the same manner we will have to stand in solidarity with our minorities as well.

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sadly I don't see any end to this craziness soon :(

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Doesn't matter how you try to put it, there's no justification of killing them. If Shias are being killed for being gustakh e sahabas what are barelvis being killed for?

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This was never been a problem decades ago. It does not mean Shai never existed before. With the entry of jehadi culture in the eighties, this problem started. The reason of killing you gave above shows how much people are retarded and stupid. If Shia have their grievances whether right or wrong, who gave theses mentally retarted mullahs to kill innocent people who are also considered as Muslims. Can't they convince with solid knowledge and tolerance?