Ripping Ahmad G & Co apart with FACTS from Quran and Sunnah(References provided)

If a wali or Prophet dies, it is not correct, according to sharee’ah, to ask him to make du’aa’ for you, because he has been cut off from this world. This is a kind of shirk which is not committed by any of the righteous people of this Ummah, the Sahaabah and those who follow them.

Allaah says:

**“And who is more astray than one who calls on (invokes) besides Allâh, such as will not answer him till the Day of Resurrection, and who are (even) unaware of their calls (invocations) to them? And when mankind are gathered (on the Day of Resurrection), they (false deities) will become their enemies and will deny their worshipping” **
[al-Ahqaaf 46:5-6]

Shaykh Al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah - may Allaah have mercy on him) said: To explain further:

if what the person wants is something that none is able to do except Allaah - such as asking for healing from sickness, for people or animals, or for his debts to be paid off in some manner that he does not specify, or for his family to be safe and sound, or to be protected from calamity in this world or the next, or for help against his enemy, or for his heart to be guided, or for his sins to be forgiven, or for him to be admitted to Paradise or saved from Hell, or for help to learn knowledge and the Qur’aan, or for his heart to be reformed, his attitude to be made good, his soul to be purified and so on - all of these are things which it is not permissible to seek from anyone other than Allaah. It is not permissible to say to an angel or a Prophet or a shaykh, whether he is alive or dead, “forgive my sin” or “help me against my enemy” or “heal my sick loved one” or “protect my family or my livestock” and the like.

Whoever asks any created being - no matter who he is - for any of these things, is a mushrik who associates others with his Lord. He is like the mushrikeen who worship angels, Prophets and statues which they have created in their image, and his prayer is like the prayers of the Christians to the Messiah and his mother. Allaah says:

"And (remember) when Allaah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Eesaa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: ‘Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allaah?’ " He will say: “Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say).”
[al-Maa’idah 5:116]

“They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allaah (by obeying them in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allaah), and (they also took as their Lord) Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), while they (Jews and Christians) were commanded [in the Tawraat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] to worship none but One Ilaah (God - Allaah) Laa ilaaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He). Praise and glory be to Him (far above is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).”* [al-Tawbah 9:31]*
(Majmoo’ al-Fataawaa, 27/ 67, 68).

And he [Ibn Taymiyah] said:

Whoever comes to the grave of a Prophet or a righteous man, or what he believes to be the grave of a Prophet or a righteous man although it is not, and asks him for something and seeks his help, one of the three following scenarios applies:

(i) he is asking him for something that he needs, such as to cure his sick animals or to pay off his debt or to take revenge on his enemy or to protect him, his family and his livestock, and other things which no one can do except Allaah. This is obvious shirk and he must be told to repent. If he repents, all well and good, otherwise he must be executed.

If he says, I am asking him because he is closer to Allaah, so that he can intercede for me with regard to these matters, because I am seeking Allaah’s help through his virtue, just as people seek the ruler’s help through those who are close to him - this is also like the actions of the mushrikeen and Christians, who claim that they take their priests and monks as intercessors and ask them to intercede for them with their requests.

Allaah tells us that the mushrikeen say:

"We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allaah.'" [al-Zumar 39:3

And Allaah says:

"Have they taken (others) as intercessors besides Allaah? Say: “Even if they have power over nothing whatever and have no intelligence?” Say: “To Allaah belongs all intercession. His is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth. Then to Him you shall be brought back.” [al-Zumar 39:43-44]

“You (mankind) have none, besides Him, as a Wali (protector or helper) or an intercessor. Will you not then remember (or receive admonition)?”

[al-Sajdah 32:4]

“Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His Permission?”

[al-Baqarah 2:255].

The difference between Him and His creation is clear:

people usually ask some of their leading figures who are in positions of honour to intercede for them with their leaders, so that intercessor asks the leader and he meets the person’s request because he hopes to gain something thereby, or because he is afraid of him, or because he is too shy to refuse, or because he is being friendly towards him, etc. But no one intercedes with Allaah, may He be glorified, until He gives permission to the intercessor. He only does what He wills, and the intercession of the intercessor is only made by His permission. The entire matter rests with Him… The idea of many misguided people, that this person is closer to Allaah than I am, and I am far away from Allaah and cannot call upon Him except through this mediation etc., all of these ideas are ideas of shirk. Allaah says:

“And when My slaves ask you (O Muhammad ) concerning Me, then (answer them), I am indeed near (to them by My Knowledge). I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me (without any mediator or intercessor)”

[al-Baqarah 2:186]

In al-Saheeh it was reported that when they were on a journey, they were saying Takbeer (“Allaahu akbar”) in loud voices, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“O people, take it easy! You are not calling upon One Who is deaf or absent; you are calling upon One Who is All-Hearing and Ever Near. The One upon Whom you are calling is closer to any one of you than the neck of his camel.”

Allaah has commanded all people to pray to Him and call on Him, and He has commanded them all to say:

“You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything).”

[al-Faatihah 1:5].

And He has told us that the Mushrikeen say:

“We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allaah.'”

[al-Zumar 39:3

Moreover, it may be said to this mushrik: if you call upon this person, that means you think that he knows more about your situation, is more able to grant you what you ask for and is more merciful towards you. This is ignorance, misguidance and kufr. If you know that Allaah has more knowledge and is more able and more merciful, then why do you fail to ask Him, and instead turn to others? Have you not heard what al-Bukhaari and others narrated from Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him), who said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to teach us to pray Istikhaarah (du’aa’ seeking guidance from Allaah) in all our affairs, just as he taught us the Surahs of the Qur’aan.

Even if you know that this person is closer to Allaah than you and of a higher status than you, this may be true, but what you are implying is wrong. Even if he is indeed closer to Allaah and of a higher status, that only means that Allaah will reward him and give him more than you. It does not mean that if you call on him, Allaah will answer your prayer more than He would do if you called upon Him yourself. If you are deserving of being punished and of having your supplication rejected, for example, because your du’aa’ is offered in an improper manner, then no Prophet or righteous person will help you to do something that Allaah dislikes and is angry with. Even if that is not the case, then you should ask from Allaah because Allaah is more merciful.

(Majmoo’ al-Fataawaa, 27/72-75

References are provided JUST FOR YOUR easement and I hope you can understand the simple language of QURAN and SUNNAH and leave the ways of your ancestors who have adopted the rituals of Hindus and Jews and Christians and called them part of Islam.
May Allah show you the right path to the ISLAM and help you leave your shirkana ways. Ameen. [never been this nice to anyone in my life and I can only pray for your good]


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----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----


And say: “Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished:for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish.”
(Quran, Al-Isra, 17:81)

More proofs from Quran that MOhammad(pbuh) is not alive:

“Verily you (O Muhammad) will die and verily, they (too) will die” [al-Zumar 39:30]

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V~V~VHe came, He saw, He conqueredV~V~V**


----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----


And say: “Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished:for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish.”
(Quran, Al-Isra, 17:81)

And say: “Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished:for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish.”
(Quran, Al-Isra, 17:81)

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ThE MuChaChO, man with the plan..

Amigo-A man called chamcha!

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“Ripping” someone apart???

And you get offended when other people use strong language?

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Cats, when did I get offened? huh?

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Amigo

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V~V~VHe came, He saw, He conqueredV~V~V**


----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----


And say: “Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished:for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish.”
(Quran, Al-Isra, 17:81)

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mm10 - a BOY called stupid…


ThE MuChaChO, man with the plan..

[This message has been edited by aMiGo (edited February 09, 2001).]

hmmm…c’mon, u could do better than that…

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Amigo, yaar es ko kaheen aur mu maarney do. Humarey kabil naheen hei.

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V~V~VHe came, He saw, He conqueredV~V~V**


----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----


And say: “Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished:for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish.”
(Quran, Al-Isra, 17:81)

Like if I give a ****

and yes..

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ThE MuChaChO, man with the plan..

[This message has been edited by aMiGo (edited February 09, 2001).]

Whoaaa, buddy take it easy yaar. Dhapar maarna hee hei to zoor se maroo.

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Anyways, I wonder what happened to those who “claim” that our beloved Prophet Mohammad(Pbuh) is alive.? And they also think and firmly believe that he can help them in his grave.

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Allah Hu-Akbar May Allah show these deviant people the TRUE path to Islam and make them able to understand Islam like early Muslims did. Ameen.


V~V~VHe came, He saw, He conqueredV~V~V**


----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----


And say: “Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished:for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish.”
(Quran, Al-Isra, 17:81)

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Look at these guys, turned out to be as expected,
I love Khalil Gibran’s saying
" I learned tolerance from Intolerance"

Talk about Islam and truth, though can’t withstand its spirits.
Take care

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Shabash to munafiq Tola

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