How many of you know of people that were born into Islam…converted to another faith and then at some point came back to the one true path to salvation?
We were all born muslim, so whoever comes to Islam is a revert, don't ya think?
We're all born atheist. If a Muslim must know that "There on no God but/only Allah, and Muhammed is his prophet", there ain't no way that a newborn knows about Muhammed, much less conceiving a "judgement day" or hellfire.
PS - don't know any reverts.
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Originally posted by astrosfan:
We're all born atheist.
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The statement is in correct!
Sahih Muslim, Book 33 (Kitab-ul-Qadar) Number 6423:
** “There is none born but is created to his true nature (Islam). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Magian quite as beasts produce their young with their limbs perfect. Do you see anything deficient in them? Then he quoted the Qur'an., The nature made by Allah in which He has created men there is no altering of Allah's creation; that is the right religion" (xxx. 33)” **
Sahih Muslim, Book 33 (Kitab-ul-Qadar) Number 6426:
** “Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: No babe is born but upon Fitra. It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist. ……..” **
Sahih Muslim, Book 33 (Kitab-ul-Qadar) Number 6427:
** “It is reported on the authority of Abu Mu'awiya that (the Holy Prophet) said: Every new-born babe is born on the millat (of Islam and he) remains on this until his tongue is enabled to express himself.
This hadith has been narratted on the authority of Abu Mu'awiya through another chain of transmitters (and the words are):" Every child is born but on this Fitra so long as he does not express himself with his tongue.” **
Sahih Muslim, Book 33 (Kitab-ul-Qadar) Number 6428:
** Abu Huraira reported from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upom him) many ahadith and one amongst them is that he is reported to have said: An infant is born according to his (true) nature. It is his parents Who make him a Jew, a Christian, just as a she-camel gives birth to its young ones. Do you find any deficiency in their limbs? You cut their ears (i. e. after birth). ………” **
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Originally posted by Musalman:
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The statement is in correct!
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Actually....Musalman....your statement is incorrect......you should say:
"According to Islamic hadiths shown below the statement is incorrect."
Makes me wonder why Romulus and Remus didn't spread the word of Allah when they created Rome.
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Originally posted by Muzna:
** Actually....Musalman....your statement is incorrect......you should say:
"According to Islamic hadiths shown below the statement is incorrect."
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Engaging in semantics for some thing quite obvious is waste of time. The underlying message in religious forum is Islamic therefore all statements are judged as such!
Astrofan, as the saying of prophet Mohammad that Musalman posted mentions that its the "parents who make the child christian, a Jew, etc..."
Anyway...
Islam states clearly that everyone is born a Muslim and is therefore monotheistic by nature. We read in the Qur'an that humanity has been created with the natural disposition towards the unity of God. This is to be expected, for Allah, who has breathed His spirit into each of us, is Himself the example of perfect unity. In the words of the Prophet Muhammad: "Every person is born with the innate religious faith (to submit to God)." Thus when an individual accepts Islam, he is not turning his back on any prior revelation but rather is returning to the original and true revelation of Allah and to his own nature as a creation of Allah. This being the case, Islam is your birthright-other religious or ideological systems are either corruptions our outright denials of Islam.
How do you know if your belief system is true? Take a moment to look at the following list.
. Are the teachings of your belief system rational? Do they conform to the norms of human reason and intellect?
. Is the creator of your belief system perfect? Allah, the creator of Islam, is. . Does your belief system contain superstitions or myths? Islam presents humanity with only true knowledge.
. Can your belief system withstand the discoveries and claims of modern science? Islam can and does.
. How accurate are your belief system's prophecies and predications? Islam's are always completely accurate.
. Could a person have devised your belief system? No one has ever been able to imitate the Qur'an, although many have tried over the centuries.
Islam is not a new religion founded by Muhammad, but a final restatement of the original revelation that has been conveyed to humanity by messengers and prophets sent by Allah for that very purpose: "This day I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion" (5:3). As the Qur'an is the final revelation and Muhammad is the final prophet, humanity is obligated to accept it: "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost all spiritual good" (3:86).
THE CHOICE IS YOURS TO MAKE!!!
*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*
----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----
The evilness of long hair is rational and intellectual. So is the killing of apostates. So is the evilness of music. And of pictures. Got it.
Perfection is a high concept. Does such an perfect being create such an imperfect world?
Yours does.
- There is a nice story about imam Abu-hanifa. Some people gathered waiting for him to give them a lecture about the existence of GOD. He finally showed up late . So they asked him what happened. He said " well, I was waiting for a boat to take me to other side of the shore, but I could not find one. So I decided to leave. Then all of a sudden, the trees started to fall down, the wood started to pile up, and the iron started to transform itself into nails by itself. And then the wood and nails came together and formed a boat that brought me here." All the people started to laugh and said who would believe this ridiculous story. He replied “You people don’t believe that a boat can be made without a creator, but you believe that an immense universe can be made without a creator, by itself!!”*
This is not a “rational, intellectual” true story.
The Physics of Tao. Read it.
So exactly when is judgment day?
They have imitated it. You won’t accepted it, however, since it would entail a complete destruction of your belief system. See:
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/suralikeit/original/muslimoon.htm
Please explain what the criterion is for creating an acceptable duplicate.
Hell. An extremely rational and intellectual concept.
A war cry. Sweet.
Astrosofan.
What is wrong to consider for the purpose of fairness to consider Romans,Buddhist,Christians Jews,& hindus prior to 6 th century ad i.e birth of Mohommed,infact 1st human Adam & eve to be muslim .Atleast they have an excuse that they did not liove to hear Or receive message of god from mOhommed like subsequent raceses who despite being warned didnt pay heed.
Religion doesnt want to proive any miracle to you to convince you.If you believe that you or any man is controlling the universe ,then good for yo ,but fopr the fortunate us who submitt to the universal power which determines events we have koran to teach us of our righteousness.
I cant tell why greeks & romans didnt have koran or islam,but islam & koran cakme after them,& they have nothing in proving r disproving islam,mohommed or koran.
We dont have answer to all your questions ,b/c neither we are prophts nor claim any more than some one who has sdubmitted himself to allah.
Negahe Marde Momin Se Badal Jate Hai Taqdeeren
Munna, I really can't disagree with that. You have your religion, I have mine. Hopefully, we can live together in peace.
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Originally posted by astrosfan:
Makes me wonder why Romulus and Remus didn't spread the word of Allah when they created Rome.
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Hey, don't bring the Romans into this, we were too busy building coliseums and entertaining awam.
Astro, evilness of long hair? Where did you get that?
World is not imperfect, its you who makes it imperfect. God, the perfect has given you all the choices, wrong and right, its YOU who makes the “right and wrong” choices and end up calling the world, perfect if you hit the 10 and wrong if you drop dead down on your face. Its the CHOICES that you make.
That story is highly true and from reliable Muslim sources. You don’t believe it? Because?
Pysics of Tao - can you buy me a copy? Please.
Judgmentday(only ALlah knows when it is), Islam never made any prophecies regarding WHEN is it, but Mohammad made prophecies about it and its signs of its coming.
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif
Quran imitated? Does it have the facts like Quran does? Does it tell you things which you will know after 1400 years later? I have not visited that page, soon will.
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif
There you go…take it easy now.
V~V~VHe came, He saw, He conqueredV~V~V**
----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----
Musalman argued it earlier today:
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/002315.html
Astro, so you automatically come to a conclusion that having long hair is evilness in Islam?
Prophet Mohammad had long hair up to his shoulders. When you read "long" there is a certain degree that is permitted. For instance, if you have long hair up to your lower-back, that is imitating women. Men imitating women or women imitating men is not allowed in Islam.
Prophets sunnah is to have an EVEN hair-cut. If we Muslims follow it there is great reward in it. If we don't due to some reasonable circumstances, than that is another issue.
Take it easy.
*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*
----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----
sorry, man, but this pretty darn clear:
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*“I came to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and I had long hair. When the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) saw me, he said: Evil, evil! He said: I then returned and cut them off. I then came to him in the morning. He said (to me): I did not intend to do evil to you. This is much better.” *
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long hair = evil. Muslims pride themselves on the clarity of their religion. The conclusion doesn't get much clearer then this.
Not only that, you have just said that short hair for women is also evil. Geez, the rationality is completely overwhelming me.
[This message has been edited by astrosfan (edited January 28, 2001).]
Astro, working hard to labble every issue that you do not understand in Islam as evilness? So sad...we aren't following Rani-jee, are we? Hope, not!
If Muslim men live in a society where it is the tradition or common practice to have long hair, like to the upper elbows, then they are allowed to have long hair as long as they don't braid it or comb it like women do. But if it is not the tradition of the community, then it is not allowed because it contradicts what the majority of people do and the man becomes odd in the society. Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) said 'He who has hair should take care of it' meaning he should comb it, should keep it clean, etc. What some effeminate men do in letting their hair grow long and braiding it like women is forbidden because it is an imitation to women, and prophet Muhammad said those who imitate the opposite sex will be cursed. As to short hair, yes it is allowed.
Source:
IslamiCity
[YOU] take it easy.
*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*
----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----
Alright - so what is the rational reason for men not to imitate women, down to such minute details such as the length of the hair?
first of all, u guys are not sticking to the topic, which must be pretty irritating for muzna.
second, astro, about the long hair thing...Prophet Muhammad(saw) had long and so did Prophet Isa (Jesus)...watcher's right, its a certain lenght thats inappropriate....dont take the literal meaning of everything u read...like that hadith u put up for example!
As for the men and women imitating each other thing, the reasons are pretty clear cut but i wont mention them cuz it has nothing to do with the topic.
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