Returning Afghanistan tell about Guantanamo

I don’t know if it was already posted here or not.

Washington Post

Most of Afghanis said that they were fed well, but cramped into very small “cages” with many days without going outside.

This article also shows that many Afghanis were captured from Afghanistan. There was one American guppie here who insisted that no Afghani captured from Afghanistan was detained in Guantanamo Bay. Here now, its on your face.

Letters home from Guantanamo Bay, Megan Lane, BBC, 17 July 2003

Every couple of months, a letter arrives at the Birmingham home of Azmat and Gull Begg from their son, Moazzam, one of two British detainees who was to face a US military tribunal - and possible death penalty - behind closed doors.

This is an extract from a letter written in the cells of Camp Delta, the controversial US base in Cuba where more than 600 terror suspects are held. It is written by Moazzam Begg, a 35-year-old father of four from Birmingham.

Since his arrest in Islamabad in February 2002 - the same night his wife Sally had told him she was pregnant with their fourth child - Moazzam has written pages and pages to his family in Birmingham.

But few letters get through, and those that do typically have several passages heavily crossed out by those who monitor goings-on at the prison camp.

“I too write and write, but to judge from his comments, few of my letters are delivered,” Moazzam’s father Azmat Begg tells BBC News Online as he fans out his son’s missives, written in neat hand-writing on paper supplied by the Red Cross.

Moazzam writes of family gossip, of boredom, of the nasty creepy-crawlies, and of his uncertain fate.

His family hope against hope Moazzam and the eight other British suspects will be handed over to the UK to face justice here. Mr Begg is convinced it’s a case of mistaken identity, and says his son has been given no indication of what charges he might face.

But despite supportive noises from the Foreign Secretary Jack Straw and a host of MPs, fears are mounting that the US will not bow to pressure to repatriate the pair.

“This country is the mother of justice - how can they say our laws are not good enough?” asks Mr Begg, a retired bank manager who once harboured dreams of becoming a barrister. “If the laws do not exist to try my son here, then we can make new laws.”

Mr Begg plans to go to Brussels with Stephen Jakobi, of Fair Trials Abroad, to plead with the EU to intervene. “I don’t yet know who we might meet or when we can go. But I would like to go with a delegation with one member of each British family with a son in that camp - so far I’m the only one to step up.”

Over tea and a plate of sweet dates, Moazzam’s mother Gull explains in her soft, Brummie-tinged tones how even daily chores have been thrown into disarray since Moazzam’s arrest. All attention is now on keeping his plight in the public eye, in campaigning for his right to fair treatment.

“I’m sorry about the mess. We should be in the middle of redecorating but…” Mrs Begg’s voice trails off as she waves a hand around the Begg’s flock-wallpapered terrace house. She is still perplexed at the fate of her son.

Moazzam, like his mother, was born in England; his father in India, under the British Raj. At 12, Moazzam went to stay with relatives in Pakistan where, his father says, his interests in humanitarian work began.

But the couple have not seen their son for several years now - he, Sally and their young children moved to Afghanistan about a year before the arrest. There they helped install water pumps and tried to set up a school - Moazzam looking after boys, Sally the girls - in the Taleban-run nation.

When the US bombardment began as the war on al-Qaeda took place following the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington, the family moved to an apartment in Islamabad to wait out the strikes. They planned to return when the dust had settled. But Moazzam was arrested and the family’s funds - about £8,000 - were seized, leaving Sally and the children to fend for themselves in a country where they did not speak the language.

“I got a phone call from Moazzam in the middle of the night. At first I could not even tell if it was him, he was speaking so quietly. He said ‘Dad, I’ve been arrested.’ I thought he was joking, or that I was still dreaming,” Mr Begg says, his voice dropping as he remembers that night.

But Moazzam wasn’t joking. Eighteen months on, should efforts to repatriate him fail, he could still face a military tribunal with the power to impose the death penalty.

Well terrorists were never supposed to be good students of history. The "nut" job should have done some research in medicine, economics, the concept of liberal democracy, charity, opportunity for an individual and he would have found that no other nation or people have ever in the history of humanity have made a greater contribution to the world than americans.

What :konfused: :mudhosh:

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Well terrorists were never supposed to be good students of history. The "nut" job should have done some research in medicine, economics, the concept of liberal democracy, charity, opportunity for an individual and he would have found that no other nation or people have ever in the history of humanity have made a greater contribution to the world than americans.
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Compare all of that to the deaths it has caused...It is like a sheep in wolf's clothing. All of the things you mentioned have happened just recently. Destruction of Native Americans, slavery, Vietnam, Japan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Witch trials...I could go on, but I suppose jaundice-eyed people were never supposed to be good students of history.

As for the letters, how nice. They let them write home without editing or monitoring the mail.

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**As for the letters, how nice. They let them write home without editing or monitoring the mail.
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The American authorities do edit the letters, incidentally. i think there's a picture of a censored letter on the BBC link posted above in my original post in this thread.

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I think that Lajawab was being sarcastic, Nadia :)

:oh …oops. hehe, thanks.

i just wanted to make sure he wasn’t under the wrong impression that they were being nice enough to allow letters to go uncensored. Sorry :flower1:

that's the first time I've seen someone bring up the witch trials as a "look what america has done" example. thanks for the laugh lajawab, you made my day. my "jaundiced eyes" are actually crying.

Like you, the peanut butter comment shows that the enemy combatants (1 of them at least) have also kept their sense of humor/humour. keep em comin

-Stu

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that's the first time I've seen someone bring up the witch trials as a "look what america has done" example. thanks for the laugh lajawab, you made my day. my "jaundiced eyes" are actually crying.

Like you, the peanut butter comment shows that the enemy combatants (1 of them at least) have also kept their sense of humor/humour. keep em comin

-Stu
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I was gonna include chastity belts, but then you'd have accused me of calling you British...

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Well terrorists were never supposed to be good students of history. The "nut" job should have done some research in medicine, economics, the concept of liberal democracy, charity, opportunity for an individual and he would have found that no other nation or people have ever in the history of humanity have made a greater contribution to the world than americans.
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It doesn't matter Matty, the Moazzam dude in above post was a charity worker as mentioned above, but unfortunately was a bearded "Moslem" charity worker of Taleban era hence a "terrorist". So in order for ANYONE to be considered a "non-terrorist" charity worker, (s)he must work thru a non-Muslim organization.... a Christian organization is preferred and if that org belongs to Pat, Falwell its all a bonus.