So who else thinks we could have used Yunis Khan in a game like yesterday. He would’nt have came in and scored a century, but you know that would have made a usefull partnership with somebody and chipped in 20 runs that could have won us the game. I have to think that maybe there is a reason he was on the team after all.
On top of the batting benefits, there were several instances of missed runouts in the game. Maybe Yunis’s good fielding could have changed that…
Younis must go. He has been given "too many" chances.
Misbah-ul-Haq's inclusion is MUST! He comes handy with fielding, hardcore bat in the middle of batting order which is what team needs.
Actually, come to think of it, I still like Younis better than Youhana. At least, he doesn't screw up things like Yoyo did twice yesterday.
I partially agree with Tiger. Younis was given enough chances and he is out of the team for good. All we need is one middle order to perform in every game. Inzi and Yoyo that is. They both are experienced cricketers and they have to click in every game to anchor the innings towards end. We need to work on the unfortunate situations like yesterday to stop losing the easy contests.
Don't need to react that fast. Who was hoping to win Asia Cup or Videocon in the first place? Under Bubblo all we wanted to see is positive attitude, unity and best out of our talent-rich players. And we have seen it in last 4-5 games. Doesn't matter if we lose. We are on the right track, and if we keep going like this, the combination of allrounders, batsmen and bowlers will soon become a thrilling super power of the game.
Even in their bad days, Pakistan were still considered as most entertaining and thrilling side to watch. This is lagacy of Great Khan, Miandad and 2Ws that we are still playing with the whole world's attention. But time has come that these young kids create a winning combination soon and just show their fighting spirit and unity in the team. WE HAVE ENOUGH TALENT TO BECOME NUMERO UNO TEAM OF THE WORLD.
Re: Rethinking Yunis Khan
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So who else thinks we could have used Yunis Khan in a game like yesterday. He would'nt have came in and scored a century, but you know that would have made a usefull partnership with somebody and chipped in 20 runs that could have won us the game. I have to think that maybe there is a reason he was on the team after all.
On top of the batting benefits, there were several instances of missed runouts in the game. Maybe Yunis's good fielding could have changed that.....
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You can talk about Younis all you want but he has been given enough chances, he is not an aggressive player, limited in his shots and he doesn't learn from his mistakes. It is time to try some new faces, Misbah, Asim, and Bazid. I would give Youhana a break and try Bazid or Misbah in the squad. Yohanna is struggling for last 2 years, some may call it bad luck but the guy is keep getting outs on 20s and 30s, he must convert 20s and 30s in to 50s....... and 60s and 70s in 100s, I guess lack of commitment. I see Shoaib developing and improving as a batsman, foot work is getting better; he is more of Captain Material. Let hope when I.Haq retire he give the torch to S.Malik.
Bob's ODI team!
01 I.Farhat / S.butt
02 Y. Hammed
03 S.Malik
04 I.Haq
05 S.Afridi / Misbah, Asim, Bazid.
06 Y.Yohanna
07 M.Khan
08 A.Razzq
09 M.Sami
10 S.Akhtar
11 S.Ahmed
*Hammed & Farhat can bowl few hours..
**I would Experiment with this team...
01 I.Farhat
02 A.Kamal (WK)
03 S.Malik
04 I.Haq
05 Y. Hammed / Misbah / Bazid
06 Y.Yohanna
07 S.Afridi / Mohd Hafeez / Danish Kaneria
08 A.Razzq
09 M.Sami
10 S.Akhtar
11 S.Ahmed**
i have always been a firm supporter of younis khan....
but i think its time we let him go....
if not permanently then atleast for a year or so....
afridi has once again proven that he can be useful with the ball even if his batting fails....
so we can have him as opener....
and yasir hameed is very good up there....
malik has established himself as the best one-down we have had ever since the glory days of ijaz ahmed....
inzamam and youhanna can come at 4,5 position to make the batting stronger....
misbah has proven himself in the A series recently....
or maybe asim kamal can take this place cuz i hate the way misbah plays fast bowlers....
or we have faisal iqbal too....
and not to forget hassan raza....
or an allrounder like qaisar abbas....
abdul razzaq is someone without who we cant play any odi....
moin khan can remain as keeper or let akmal take the gloves....
shoaib, sami and shabir make the best attack that we can have....
and on those not-so-rare days when shoaib is unfit, gul can easily replace him....
well, totally agreed guys....he has been given enough chance to prove himself, and he wasted everything.....and lets hope that he doesnt play against holland, coz if he does and scores 60-100 runs in the match, he will stick in the team for another 2-3 tournaments...
i would go more for asim kamal, coz he has shown better temprament than misbah-ul-haq...and he seems promising...so the best way is to give him a shot at proving himself....miisbah has already been given chance and he didnt do well...
and plz armughal, what do u mean when u say "shoaib, sami and shabir make the best attack that we can have".....u r sounding like we cannot have anything better than them....if u r saying that they make up the bowling attack coz of the urdu muhawaraa "andhoN mein kaana raja", i agree...but otherwise, i totally dont agree...
well, I'd say include him. His purpose is not to blast centuries but to stop the free fall while scoring 30-40 runs and quickly rotating the strike. I think he is perfect for this role! now we need someone who has played 50 overs game and spent time in the middle himself to understand that we absolutely need him in the current team!
I think Younis Khan should have played in that last game. Imran Farhat has never performed outside of Pakistan/Subcontinent. Even when Imran FArhat was out the commentators were saying that sometimes it is better to lose a wicket when batsmen can't score.
I agree that Younis Khan is a better option then Yousef Youhana. Because Shephard their or not he cost us the match by getting Afridi, and Malik out. He almost got Razzaq out to with his running.
I still think someone like Bazid Khan or Misbah Ul Haq or Faisal Iqbal should now be included in the team in place of maybe Younis Khan. Imran Farhat should also be sent back to the A team. He is no way a better option than Bazid Khan.
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and plz armughal, what do u mean when u say "shoaib, sami and shabir make the best attack that we can have".....u r sounding like we cannot have anything better than them....if u r saying that they make up the bowling attack coz of the urdu muhawaraa "andhoN mein kaana raja", i agree...but otherwise, i totally dont agree...
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i dont believe in reincarnations hence i dont think imran, wasim and waqar will come together to form the pak pace trio once again....
thats the best we have so live with it....
hey trooper boy, how many times does he score 30-40 and stop the wicket??? as far as i remember, for last 10 matches, he has been getting out cheaply...
and armughal, thats the attitude that's gonna get us in trouble...instead of looking for better, we r assuming, that this trio is the best, and we cant get better...well, trust me, this way, we will never see another waqi or cheema....
I think the re-thinking should stop right here...he scored another duck after getting out on a duck against India...its about time he is kicked out for good untill he learns how to play consistently...he is definetly talented, no doubt...he is one of the best runners between the wickets and excellent in taking singles and doubles, but I guess its just a lack of concentration which is costing him at the moment...
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malik has established himself as the best one-down we have had ever since the glory days of ijaz ahmed....
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I agree that Shoaib Malik has made an ideal start to his number 3 position but its hardly 6-7 matches. Dont compare him to Ijaz or anyone yet. Remember Youhana made an ideal start to number three slot with two hundreds and many fifties. We thought we have that problem solved, didnt we? So lets wait before we jump to conclusions.
Re Younis Khan, I would rotate him and Afridi on need-to-play basis.
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I agree that Younis Khan is a better option then Yousef Youhana. Because Shephard their or not he cost us the match by getting Afridi, and Malik out. He almost got Razzaq out to with his running.
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Oh please! YK's body language tells you how confident he is when he comes on the crease. He is totally out of rythem. Defensiveness is one thing, but he shaky from the very first ball and thats why gets out earlier. Yoyo is on watch list as well, I think Champions Trophey will be his last chance. Bari and other biggies are watching him, Woolmar's expressions when he almost made Razzaq his third victim of run out, shows that Bubloo is also not satisfied with his performance. One can't expect this kinda ameture behaviour from a senior player. Asim can definetely fit in his place. What if he plays a little slower than Yasir or Farhat, so do Inzi and Yohanna. But if a player is giving you 50 every other game, then he is way way better than the failures like Yoyo and Younis, who hardly touch 20 in two consecutive matches.
I think based on ICC Trophey performances, Bubloo will make some BOLD decisions. Its my prediction.
Well Yunis proved me wrong again by getting out on duck against Holland.
As for YoYo, well the guy did do some really stupid runouts in that last match. But come on now people, you think we really have batsmen that good that we could think of excluding YoYo?
It's hilarious that anybody would think of dropping him when theres already so many other holes to fill. Moin, Imran Farhat and Yassir Hameed should all be looked at before Youhana. YoYo's class in batting is obvious, his test average is almost 50 and his ODI average is above 40. I'm pretty sure that besides Inzi, theres no body else on this team anywere near those stats over a long term.
im goin to agree with trooper coz like he said his aim is not to blast centuries just stop the fall of wickets yeh okay so hes had some bad luck ,,,,not in the best of forms ,,,,,,,,maybe take him out for the nxt few tournaments but i think a yrs a little harsh as some1 suggested
i dont think Afridi is an opening for us he should play much lower down the order mainly due to his aggressive batting,,,
as for youhana yep the last game showed he needed a break to polish up his skills!
So what do you say now? I know that Yunis got out on duck against Holland. But you know he's usually good for 15-25 runs. Those are crucial batting down the order. I am tempted to say I would rather have him playing than Afridi. Maybe it's better to play one less all-rounder?
With Rana/Azhar in the lineup for Shabbir, we are a bit unbalanced with too many all-rounders.
elahi, are you really serious or just mocking us all?
^EZ my man
I'm not saying that Yunis is Miandad II. I'm saying that on a ODI side packed with all rounder, I would drop one to add a specialist batsman (if you can call Yunis that). If there were any other batsmen avaiable (hint, hint Woolmer -> Asim Kamal), then I would pick them. But if Yunis is the only alternative, he's my man.
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^EZ my man
I'm not saying that Yunis is Miandad II. I'm saying that on a ODI side packed with all rounder, I would drop one to add a specialist batsman (if you can call Yunis that). If there were any other batsmen avaiable (hint, hint Woolmer -> Asim Kamal), then I would pick them. But if Yunis is the only alternative, he's my man.
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Why keep bring the Younis name.. when everyone knows Younis stats, he sucks, he chokes at crucial moments. Please don't compare Younis with Miandad, it will be disrespecting Miandad.
Asim is totally different story and I post numbers time why he should be in the team. Until politics is out of Pakistani team PCB will continue to destroy players careers, misbah is tooo old to play international cricket, and Bazid is waiting for his turn.
I think Bob wants Malik to open with Hameed and he wants to try Afridi @ 1 down but it didn't work today. If Shoaib Open with Yasir then Inzi should come at 1 down, then Yohanna.
01 Yameed (Solid batsman)
02 Malik (Solid batsman)
03 Inzi (Solid batsman, best @ #3)
04 Yohanna (Solid batsman)
05 Imran Farhat / Salman butt (good batsman, need to improve shot selection)
06 Azhar (Ok all-rounder, best suited for England pitches)
07 Razzq (best All-rounder, AVG 40+ in ODI)
08 Afridi (don't give him bat but since he is in the team, he can bat @ 6,7 or 8 for slogging)
09 Moin (please come back in to your orginal form)
10 Sami
11 Akhtar (Khotay you better not f-up)
For Future I would like to Experiment with this team...
01 Y.Hammed
02 A.Kamal
Opener: Left and Right combination that PCB wants.
03 S.Malik
04 I.Haq
05 Y.Yohanna
06 S.Afridi / Mohd Hafeez / Qaiser Abbas
07 Moin Khan
08 A.Razzq
09 M.Sami
10 S.Akhtar (If khota is not fit then bring Roa or Rauf)
11 S.Ahmed / Danish Kaneria
on this forum i have witnessed recently people suggesting asim kamal as opener....
let us be clear that he is a middle order batsman....
and by no standards an ODI opener....