Re: One thing love about Islam/being muslim
Peace chintu_bhopali and Unos
Moderators please may you split the posts that pertain to Islam respects women in to a separate thread … JazakAllahu khair.
To answer your first question chintu_bhopali the reason for comparison is to put context in to the whole topic. Let’s see what other religions or even secular political laws have instead of the alternative in Islam and see which has greater wisdom in it. That is all I’m asking for. It is interesting that you make a stab against Islam and want your own faith to remain aloof of similar criticism - if you are true you’ll have no problem with my proposal.
The question of multiple wives - that is easy - Islam provides each woman that a man may have intimate relations with the right of “wife” - which means she inherits and her children get a place in the inheritence. There is no intimate relations for men to have with women outside marriage and hence the women cannot be abused for sexual reasons. So multiple marriages is a plus point for women. On the other hand any order that does not make it illegal to have extra marrital sex is making the world easier for men. Women are equal to mean in their rights in Islam and Islam paved the way for this mindset before any other order. Today in these Western societies we see the legacy of Islamic injunction for women’s rights.
Islam is not a hypocritical religion. It can’t be if it is ordained by God. That is the reason why although it “respects” women it does not respect evil people. Evil people can be both men and women and there are ways to determine evil people. There are dire consequences for evil people in Islam and it does what it can to make sure that the evil most people are sentenced to capital punishment. To determine the most evil people it does not take single claims on face value because the chance of the single claim being one based on personal vendettas could be high. That is the reason why four witnesses are required. It would be unjust to have a person who consented to sex only to be blamed for rape and which if determined was true then both the man and the woman would be sentenced. If however there is an accusation of rape on a person and that persons life could be ended as a result then due diligence needs to be given to determine the reality of the crime. The society in Islam does not allow free private interactions between man and woman and by so doing then the woman puts herself in to harms way such that if the man decides to do anything then her claim for rape will not have enough witnesses. So by having the requirement of witnesses prevents the potentially evil woman from scheming against a man and claiming rape thus ruining his life and potentially his dependets too. On the other hand society will not allow men to enter the houses of lone women.
Niqab in a similar way although is a version of clothing to fulfil the intent of hijab and there are differences of opinion on that, it serves to protect women not the reverse. If a woman is not known physically then it prevents the potential rapist from taking advantage - so niqab does serve as an effective way to protect women. If a woman wants to be subjected to criticism and lustful desires then it would be wrong to say Islam does not respect those women. Rather it would be those specific individuals who go out of their way demanding “attention” rather than “respect”. Islam “respects” women by distinguishing between pious women and impious women.
Death by stoning can only be issued on the adulterer be it man or woman - in short - without the whole spectrum of nuiances and conditions - this is not a “disrespect” for the woman. First of all the sentence is on both man and woman so there is nothing distinguishing the treatment of the man from the woman here - so this has not even been thought through properly by you, but also the women who is stoned to death for being an adulteress is done to serve the interests and “respect” the married woman the one who has been cheated on.
The last point about how Taliban treat women - this is just criticism against Taliban if it is all true anyway. We have a tendency of viewing other cultures through our personal perspectives. We are talking about Islam so we need to deal with what is constituted as Islam - not how people who happen to be Muslim behave. I could raise the point that women in Islam are allowed to remarry, women in Hinduism for example are not and hence either live a life as a divorcee or have to jump in to flames of the body of their late husbands. Practices which are done less these days because the women who follow those religions do not find it “respectful” enough to follow.
Peace Unos
The marriage to Aisha (RA) in terms of how old she was is a contested issue many times on this forum. Besides if it was not for the “age” then there is nothing in the hadith that indicates or points to the idea that RasoolAllah (SAW) “disrespected” women. Try it replace the ages in the hadith for 21 and 24 and see for yourself that the hadith itself is not sufficient to prove or even demonstrate your point.
The statement of Zaynab (RA) is a slanderous statement and will not be entertained unless you bring evidence … it seems you have been paying visits to the decievers websites. Even then … even if we assume this accusation to be true - the hadith does not show “disrespect” to women by RasoolAllah (SAW) … rather it shows that she was given more status and not less. If anyone was seen in lower light it would be Zayd (RA). So this reasoning is not cogent with the topic at hand. This issue has already been dealt with on this forum too and clarified before - to repeat the same thing over and over again by the deceivers shows that they have no desire to seek righteousness in their conduct and when issues are explained they bring them back again as if they were never explained.
Marriage of a Jewish woman is not “disrespect” it is “respect” - it made her the mother of the believers and to make such absurd claims is logically fallacious and deceptive.
The idea that Islam allows wife beating is stupid. The verses were revealed to limit wife beating that was prevelant then and present in every society it is habit of man to resort to beating and the Qur’an prescribes a very restrictive process that must be followed for the man in order to delay the point that a man is driven to beat his wife. The fact that there is no verse allowing or limiting a woman from beating her husband means that if a woman does so there is no clear consequence for her action. If a man beats his wife out of turn then that is a crime. Again a deceptive statement. The hadith is a beautiful one … it cannot be understood by the decievers on first pass, they think that RasoolAllah (SAW) struck Aisha (RA) out of anger for her following him … That is absurd. The reason why it is absurd is because of the statement that he RasoolAllah (SAW) made afterwards. First of all “pain” can be meant in the emotional sense and second the word for “strike” in Arabic is “daraba” a different word was used in this hadith which means “push” … the reason for it to be on the chest is because of the heart and in the authentic interpretations of this hadith the act of the hand on the chest was to drive out the evil inspiration that affected Aisha (RA) and hence was his miracle that led him to make that statement. The pain (emotional or physical) was a side-effect of the act.
The marriage of RasoolAllah (SAW) to a number of wives has already been answered before. He is the Mercy to the Worlds and should he take hundred wives and half the worlds riches for himself it would be well below what he has given to us in return. But alas he took far less and furthermore his wives became the mother of the believers - it would rather problematic for a woman to marry her son! Even then after a prophet of God has touched her then any man touch her afterwards would be a “disrespect” for her because the other man would never compare.
Sex with captured women is a misnoma and a deception by the deceivers that has already been dealt with on this forum.
Women are given the option to be “supported” by another woman to help them in intense emotional circumstances. This recognises their physiological makeup and is not intended to “disrespect” them but rather give them an equal platform to operate. On the flip side in our societies we try to equate men and women and end up putting too much pressure on them out of our ignorance of equating the two.
Thus far I have merely touched on defending the accusations … there are multitudes of hadith and verses that show the reverse of this - i.e. how Islam promotes women and respects them and when compared to other religions it out shines them all even the modern times are so far gone the other way women are subjected to more trauma for being expected to be operative in society and attractive at the same time.
The deceivers and enemies of truth throw the same old arguments time and again and when they are explained they remain silent for a while and then repeat them later on as if those issues are new and have never been explained. The problem with deceivers is that they will be put in their place but rely on people forgetting to resurrect the same old arguments that have passed their sell by dates. There are many forums on the internet that can answer the questions, why is it that the decievers do not research the issues carefully to show that they are not biased and want to find the truth?