Resolution regarding national security, sovereignty passed

Lets hope for the best this time around…

ISLAMABAD: A resolution regarding national security and sovereignty has been passed mutually in joint sitting of the parliament.

The resolution condemned US unilateral action in Abbottabad. It also sought the review of policies regarding war on terror and Pakistan-US relationship.

The resolution demanded to constitute the independent commission for the investigation of Abbottabad raid after consultations with Prime Minister and opposition leader.

Military leadership briefed the joint session of parliament which was concluded after almost 10 hours.

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Lies and liars these agents of america are biggest liars since Pinocchio they are slaves of america the whole world knows it

gilani''s nose is getting bigger with every lie i swear

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lol@ gillani's nose :)

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@javed mian daad oh cut it out.

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The funny thing is they have warned America for the 'next time', which they are sure will not happen.

Why not demand an action for something they already did?

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huh…i would have thought that the resolution would be to course correct in all areas and limit any interactions, backdoor deals, strategic depth bakwaas with any of the militant groups. But leave it to our hadd harams to make high profile low value noise.

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Pakistan’s parliament condemns U.S. raid, threatens sanctions
From the CNN Wire Staff
May 14, 2011 2:11 a.m. EDT

CNN) – **Pakistan’s parliament threatened Saturday to cut off access to a facility used by NATO forces to ferry troops into Afghanistan, signaling a growing rift that began when U.S. commandos killed Osama bin Laden during a raid on a Pakistani compound.

A resolution adopted during a joint session of parliament condemned the U.S. action. It also called for a review of its working agreement with the U.S., demanded an independent investigation and ordered the immediate end of drone attacks along its border region.**

Failure to end unilateral U.S. raids and drone attacks will force Pakistan to “to consider taking necessary steps, including withdrawal of (the) transit facility” used by the NATO’s International Security Assistance Force, according to the resolution.

U.S. lawmakers have questioned how the world’s most wanted terrorist managed to live in plain sight for years in Pakistan – near the country’s elite military academy – without being detected.

Pakistani and U.S. intelligence officials have said there is no evidence that any active members of Pakistan’s military or intelligence establishment knew about or actively protected the al Qaeda leader.

Publicly, leaders in both countries have downplayed a rift.

But the unanimous resolution made clear there was a growing dissatisfaction among Pakistani lawmakers.

The resolution also ordered a review of its counter-terrorism cooperation agreement with the United States.

The government is deeply “distress(ed) on the campaign to malign Pakistan, launched by certain quarters in other countries without appreciating Pakistan’s determined efforts and immense sacrifices in combating terror,” the resolution said.

It also said more than 30,000 Pakistani civilians and more than 5,000 military personnel had been killed in its fight against terror “and the blowback emanating from actions of the NATO/ISAF forces in Afghanistan.”

Anger over U.S. drone strikes has mounted during the past year after it stepped up efforts along the Pakistani-Afghan border.

On Friday, a suspected U.S. drone strike killed four suspected Islamic militants in the Datta Khel region of North Waziristan, according to two Pakistani intelligence officials. They said an unmanned aircraft fired four missiles at a militant’s vehicle on the border area.

The demands by the Pakistani civilian government come as new details emerge about the raid on bin Laden’s Abbottabad compound.

Members of the U.S. Navy SEAL team that attacked the compound were wearing helmet-mounted digital cameras that recorded the mission, a U.S. military official told CNN on Friday.
The official described the digital recording as hazy, fast-moving and subject to poor lighting in the rooms. The source also said it is hard to get clear images from the footage.

“This is not movie-quality stuff,” the official said.

An official familiar with the material seized from the compound said Friday that Navy SEALs recovered a stash of pornography. The official would not discuss exactly where it was found, what it was or whether it is believed to belong to the al Qaeda leader or to someone else living at the site, such as bin Laden’s couriers or his son.

Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release the information.

Bin Laden’s compound is also undergoing intense analysis, and U.S. officials say he apparently enjoyed a support network in Pakistan that allowed him to stay in one location for the past several years. He had no escape plan or means to destroy his reams and gigabytes of documents in the event of an enemy assault, according to the U.S. sources.
Two U.S. lawmakers joined a public chorus for the release of photos of bin Laden’s body after seeing the images themselves.

“These are very graphic, gruesome pictures,” said Rep. Doug Lamborn, a Republican from Colorado. But seeing them “gave me a sense of finality and closure.”
A conservative legal watchdog group has filed the first lawsuit seeking the public release of the video and photographs of the raid and its aftermath.

Judicial Watch is asking the Department of Defense to comply with a Freedom of Information request for the material, especially photos of bin Laden’s body. The legal complaint to force compliance was made in federal court in Washington on Friday.

CNN’s Reza Sayah, Barbara Starr, Michael Martinez, Pam Benson and Larry Shaughnessy contributed to this report.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2-suicide-bombers-kill-80-in-pakistan-in-revenge-for-bin-laden-killing/2011/05/12/AFdoRh1G_story.html

Pakistani spy chief offers to resign

By Karin Brulliard and Shaiq Hussain, Published: May 13
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan’s spy chief offered to resign Friday amid public outrage over the U.S. operation that killed Osama bin Laden, an incident that humiliated the nation’s army and cast doubt on the capabilities of an intelligence network long believed to be nearly omnipotent.

Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, in emotional testimony at a private session of Parliament, apologized for what he said was an intelligence lapse and said he would leave his post if Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gillani deemed him unfit for the job, according to lawmakers. Yet Pasha also spoke in defiant tones about Pakistan’s alliance with the United States, which was severely strained even before the bin Laden killing.

The testimony came hours after suicide bombers killed 80 paramilitary recruits at a training center near the northwestern city of Peshawar, in an attack the Pakistani Taliban claimed as “revenge” for bin Laden’s death. Although police said they were unsure whether that was the motive, the attack seemed likely to deepen anger over the commando raid by the United States, which many Pakistanis view as an unfaithful ally whose military campaign in neighboring Afghanistan has sparked a violent backlash inside Pakistan.

According to one lawmaker, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, Pasha said that ties with the United States had “gone bad” since the secret U.S. raid in the military garrison city of Abbottabad and that Pakistan would be prepared to “resist” any future such operations.

“They want to take action on their own on our soil,” Pasha said of the United States, according to this lawmaker. “We will not allow their boots on our ground.”

Pasha’s statement and offer to resign appeared to be part of an effort to acknowledge denunciations from opposition parties over the intelligence services’ failure to locate bin Laden’s redoubt in Abbottabad.

It was unclear whether Parliament would take action on the resignation offer, or even whether it had the authority. There were no demands during Friday’s session, which stretched into the early hours of Saturday, to accept the offer from Pasha, who has worked closely with the CIA since assuming his post in 2008. Pakistan’s army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Kayani, who was also present at the session, has already declined to accept Pasha’s resignation, lawmakers said.

Once the session ended, Parliament issued a resolution that condemned the U.S. raid in Abbottabad and asked the government to “revisit and review its terms of engagement with the United States.” The resolution expressed confidence in the Pakistani military but also called for an independent investigation into the bin Laden case and the U.S. operation. Earlier this week, Gillani announced that the military would lead an inquiry, a decision that was widely criticized.

The briefing — by Pakistan’s powerful top brass before a civilian body that has nominal influence — was extremely unusual. The army, of which Pasha’s Inter-Services Intelligence directorate is a part, has ruled Pakistan for half of its 64-year existence, and it controls most foreign and security policy matters. As anger over the bin Laden operation has risen, the military has appeared to try to shift blame to the unpopular civilian government.

But the killing of bin Laden within walking distance of the nation’s top military academy has challenged the army’s authority as rarely before. Pakistan was not informed about the helicopter raid, U.S. and Pakistani officials said, nor was it able to stop it once it was underway.

**Pakistanis have since deemed the raid a breach of sovereignty and cited it as evidence that the military establishment is unable to protect the nuclear-armed nation or detect dangerous terrorists in its midst. Officials in Washington, meanwhile, have accused Pakistan’s intelligence service of harboring bin Laden to protect its interests in Afghanistan.
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In what seemed to be a nod to the public anger, Pasha, who spoke at length while Kayani remained mostly silent, signaled rare deference to Parliament, acknowledging that politicians had criticized the security services for “ignoring” elected officials, according to one lawmaker, Riaz Fatiana.

Yet Pasha also vigorously defended the ISI, saying — as military officials have done repeatedly in the past week — that it has captured or killed hundreds of al-Qaeda operatives and other high-value terrorists. He and other military officials who spoke said they would review Pakistan’s military alliance with the United States if directed by Parliament, Fatiana said.

But in a sign that Pakistan and the United States continue to cooperate despite the tensions, the Pentagon confirmed Friday that Pakistan has allowed U.S. investigators to question three of bin Laden’s wives, who were living with him in Abbottabad when he was killed.

They were taken into custody by Pakistani authorities after U.S. Navy SEALs left bin Laden’s compound with his body. Marine Col. Dave Lapan, a Defense Department spokesman, said that “we have had access to the widows.” But he declined to give details, such as where, when and under what circumstances the women were questioned. Pakistani intelligence officials have said one of the wives is Yemeni and two are Saudi.

Doubt over attack motive

Most of the victims of Friday’s bombings were newly minted cadets who were boarding buses for a 10-day leave.

The Pakistani Taliban, a homegrown offshoot of the Afghan militant group, asserted responsibility and said the bombings were meant as revenge for bin Laden’s death. Some local police officials cast doubt on that, saying the militants might have been from the neighboring Mohmand region, a section of Pakistan’s semiautonomous tribal area where the army recently re-launched an operation to flush out Islamist militants.

Pakistan’s border with Afghanistan is the hub of al-Qaeda, the Taliban and a host of other affiliated militant organizations. The United States has provided billions of dollars to fund Pakistan’s counterinsurgency fight in the area. and U.S. officials are pressuring Pakistan to wage an offensive in the North Waziristan area, which is the base for several insurgent groups that target NATO forces in Afghanistan.

North Waziristan has been the target of an escalated CIA drone campaign, which is another source of tension between the United States and Pakistan. One such drone strike, the fourth since bin Laden’s death, killed four people in North Waziristan on Friday, authorities said.

Hussain is a special correspondent. Special correspondent Haq Nawaz Khan in Shabqadar, Pakistan, and staff writer Craig Whitlock in Washington contributed to this report.

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3 years back we had resolution against drone attacks, at the time of resolution those attacks were like 2 or 3 in a month or two... after the resolution, it became 2 attacks a per week and some time per day... i wonder if this is same kind of resolution

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yes thats what is in the mind of many of us i guess, thats why i hope it does not meet the same fate...

currently our parliament and military has become a joke in the world as no one listens to what they say...

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I just do not understand and if I say it Ehsan said 'I am provoking' but please somebody explain something to me: WHY IS IT DIFFICULT for Pakistan to completely denounce ANY sort of support, tolerance or understandingof ALL forms of terrorism. Not for political religious or ideological reasons.

Such a resolve is the ONLY way supporters hiding inside organizations such as ISI will get the message. Otherwise all the speeches resolutions and outrage expressed is taken as wink-wink by those people!

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We will gladly follow Indian neighbors, once they control the hinduist extremist elements in RAW and denounce their support for terrorism in Pakistan. And most importantly back this up by actions.

Believe me this will help us all.

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^ don't deflect. You should know by now that India doesn't play that kind of devious terror games. That was cospiracy theory put out by the likes of zaid hamid and hamid gul to ensure continued autocracy of your military over your country.

up to you to wake up and save yourself and your country

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Abbottobad raid: Questions and questionable conduct

**ISLAMABAD: **
Though it was a lingering concern, it still seemed unexpected. The chief of the country’s premier intelligence agency was greeted with taunts right from the moment he rose to brief an incredibly tense special joint sitting of Parliament.

Aside from a barrage of questions, many, including the spymaster himself, must have known it wasn’t going to be easy.

And it wasn’t.

However, the proceedings proved to be more charged than even the most adventurous of estimates – even resulting in verbal clashes between the politicians themselves.

Director-General of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Ahmad Shuja Pasha was at the rostrum, just about to begin his briefing, according to sources present, when MNA Tehmina Doultana rose from her seat and unleashed a tirade against the armed forces.

In her fiery, and strong-worded, remarks, Doultana, a legislator from the Pakistan Mulsim League-Nawaz (PML-N), shouted that the Pakistan Army had been conquering only its own country and people, and in that process had, itself, played havoc with the country’s sovereignty. Those present, including the DG ISI, seemed shell-shocked.

Doultana thundered that the unilateral US operation](Bin Laden raid: Gilani slams US unilateral operation) to find and kill Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil, in a major urban centre without the knowledge of Pakistan’s armed forces, had established the “inefficiency and in competency of the establishment.”

However, said sources inside, after the initial shock wore down, another legislator, Senator Gulshan Saeed, from the Pakistan Muslim League Quaid (PML-Q), launched a counter tirade – threatening to cut the tongues of those who uttered “blasphemous” remarks against the military establishment.

It was left to Deputy Speaker Faisal Kundi, who was presiding over the joint sitting of the parliament, to bring the situation under control so that the ISI chief could start his briefing.

But the hiccups at the start were not to be the only turbulence during the session.

Later, another heated exchange took place between Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan and the chief of PML-Q Senator Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain.

As the question and answer session began, Nisar got up from his seat and launched into a hard-hitting speech – typical of the fiery leader of the opposition in recent sessions.

But a bitter rival, Chaudhry Shujaat, got up to complain to the deputy speaker that speeches were not on the agenda, as agreed to by all parties attending the session. He taunted Nisar, saying that, instead of questioning the military leadership, the PML-N leader wanted to deliver a speech.
Nisar shot back by telling the speaker that he was not surprised by the intervention of Shujaat, who, he said, had just entered into a marriage of political expedience with the ruling PPP to get his share of the ‘plunder’.

The military top brass, meanwhile, continued to await questions as the exchange continued. But when the questions came, they were tough.

Osama was already ‘dead’
Also causing a stir in the session was Lt Gen Pasha’s comment that Bin Laden was already a “dead man” when the US got to him. The ISI chief said that the world’s most wanted man had been in isolation for the last five years and was not in a position to launch an attack against any country. He said that it was due to the ISI’s efforts that Bin Laden’s network had been crippled, and hence he was rendered useless. However, he lamented, despite all this, just one intelligence lapse had brought the spy agency under fire at both home and abroad.

The sense in the house after these remarks, said a source, was that the ISI chief was suggesting that they knew where the global terror icon was since they were so sure about his situation. However, Pasha hastened to add that he meant that Bin Laden was living the life of a dead man, as evidenced by his living conditions.

The questions and the resignation offer
The questions put forward to the ISI chief by the political leadership were unrelenting furious – and Pasha was found short on a number of occasions.
Cornered and unable to provide answers, the spy chief is then said to have finally offered to resign.

However, in one of the ISI chief’s statements, he tacitly put forward a question of his own. Though Pasha was careful not to blame the civilian leadership of anything, his question was, in essence, directed to the entire leadership of the country: If the top leadership was informed of the operation after it was over at just past 2 am on May 2, as the ISI chief said in his briefing – why wasn’t any sort of emergency meeting called?

The parliament was informed by Lt Gen Pasha that he had informed Army Chief General Kayani at 2.05am about the American operation – who, in turn, made a telephone call to Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani and then to the President Zardari. Gilani was said to have then called up the foreign secretary.
But there was nothing other than that.

Why didn’t the Troika – the President, Prime Minister and Chief of Army Staff – meet urgently, and discuss a possible response? Why did the leadership wait for a call from US President Barack Obama at 7 am – five hours after the operation was brought into their knowledge?

Some questions, as Lt Gen Pasha will testify, have no answers.

Published in The Express Tribune, May 14th, 2011.

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How competent does a journalist have to be in order to spell incompetency properly? :slight_smile:

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Lagta hay Kay is karaardaad ka bhi pichi karardaadon ki tarah ka hashar ho Gaya hay...two drone attacks during Kerry's visit to pakistan

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lol, is qaraardaad ka bhi janaaza nikal gaya hay so much for the Pakistan’s much touted sovereignty.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/21/us-will-also-target-other-al-qaeda-leaders-clinton.html

US will also target other Al Qaeda leaders: Clinton By Anwar Iqbal | From the Newspaper

WASHINGTON: The United States expects its allies to go after Al Qaeda leaders if they are located within their territories and if they do not, the Americans will get them, says US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Also on Friday, the US media reported that the Obama administration had revived its covert drone campaign against Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Pakistan’s tribal areas after several months of slow activity.

In an interview to CBS News, Secretary Clinton said she agreed with US Defence Secretary Robert Gates that top Pakistani leaders were unaware of Osama bin Laden’s whereabouts.

“Would you recommend additional unilateral raids if you knew the whereabouts of other key Al Qaeda figures in Pakistan?” she was asked.

“I’m not going to comment on any hypotheticals and I certainly wouldn’t go into any operational details. But I think it should be sufficient to say that the United States has made it clear from the very moment we were attacked that we would go after those who had attacked us,” she said.

“Bin Laden was our primary target. The President made a gutsy decision. We were very pleased that the operation succeeded. And we’ve made it clear to people around the world that if we locate someone who has been part of the Al Qaeda leadership, then you get him or we will get him.”

What the US would do about its relationship with Pakistan if it determined that Pakistani leaders knew Bin Laden’s was in Abbottabad, she was asked. “I would answer the same way that Secretary Gates said, because he and I see this eye to eye. We believe that it was not proven that anybody at the top of the government in Pakistan knew where Bin Laden was,” Secretary Clinton responded.

“But it seems likely that somebody did know. I said that the first time I went to Pakistan. I said, ‘It’s hard to believe that somebody in your government somewhere — and it could be some very low-level person — doesn’t know where he is’. And we’re having very candid conversations with our Pakistani partners,” she said. Secretary Clinton, however, stressed that the US had had good cooperation with Pakistan on many important strategic interests and had supported Pakistan in the fight against the extremists who were killing and threatening their people.

“But we expect more. We’re having conversations about what more we can do together.”

Asked when she was planning to visit Pakistan, the secretary said: “We’ll see how the conversations go. Marc Grossman, my special representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan, is there now, following up on some of the areas of concern.”

The US State Department said earlier that Secretary Clinton planned to visit Pakistan after Ambassador Grossman returned from the region but the department’s spokesman also explained that the visit would only be finalised if the US envoy succeeded in laying the groundwork for further talks. Diplomatic sources in Washington say that Mr Grossman went to Islamabad with a road map for a future partnership, which includes conditions that the Americans believe should be acceptable to Pakistan.

**Meanwhile, CNN quoted, Bill Roggio, a military affairs analyst and editor of the Long War Journal, as saying that the US had intensified its drone attacks on Fata and the increase was not due to intelligence gained from Bin Laden’s compound. “What has happened, since the Bin Laden raid, is that the US has not felt pressured to dial back the attacks due to Pakistani sensibilities,” he said. The United States has carried out six suspected drone strikes in Pakistan in the past 15 days, with an average of one strike every 2.5 days, CNN reported.
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The US carried out 117 attacks inside Pakistan in 2010, more than double the number of strikes that occurred in 2009. By late August 2010, the US had exceeded 2009’s strike total of 53 with a strike in Kurram. In 2008, the US carried out a total of 36 strikes inside Pakistan.

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We are moving towards the drop scene now…I think now drones will stop and maybe American feet on the ground…another beginning? :slight_smile: maybe Ron Paul was not that wrong then.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/21/isi-cia-discuss-joint-operations-drone-attacks.html

ISI, CIA discuss joint operations, drone attacks

ISLAMABAD: The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) held talks in Islamabad on Saturday, DawnNews reported.

**The agencies discussed possibilities for stopping drone attacks in Pakistan’s tribal areas and launching joint operations against militants.

CIA’s Deputy Chief Michael Morrell also held discussions with key ISI officials, including the agency’s DG Ahmed Shuja Pasha, over ways to mend ties after the mistrust created in the wake of the Abbottabad operation.**

Sources told DawnNews that the agencies would soon sign an agreement over cooperation in the war against terror. Work on modalities of the agreement has been started, sources said.

Moreover, ISI officials told Mr Morrell to apprise the agency of CIA operations and operatives involved in counterterrorism.