rescue from the somalians pirates

queen04 · June 14, 2011, 9:11pm

you guys think it will be publiscised in India that Pakistan paid $ 6000000 to get 6 indian sailors back while the indian govt just sat around twiddling its thumbs?

fulcrum · June 17, 2011, 11:01am

Re: rescue from the somalians pirates

thats something which indian gov needs to acknowledge-pakistanis did the great job

kaka_in_usa · June 17, 2011, 11:12am

Re: rescue from the somalians pirates

There is already a thread in PA about this.
media has become a politics tool in both the countries.
does pakistani media highlight that last month indian marines rescued 6 pakistanis from somali pirates and those people are still in mumbai awaiting a response from their govt.
also two weeks ago an indian paid diyat of few pakistanis and rescued them from gallows in UAE. does it get any highlight in pakistan.

sadly when people of both the countries work together then govts pay no heed.

PS. I for one dont care if our govt paid the ransom or not. we need to make a "no negotiations" with policy like america but do stuff behind the scenes. If we pay them ransom today then they will demand for it tomorrow. already we have about 100 somali pirates captured and our navy patrols the somali waters. they have rescued many ships so far. we need to deal with them with iron hands.

kaka_in_usa · June 17, 2011, 11:13am

Re: rescue from the somalians pirates

BTW Indians and indian media respect and owe a lot to like of burney and asma jahangir. they are doing a great job and we should encourage them.

hanibal · June 17, 2011, 1:25pm

Re: rescue from the somalians pirates

PIA in really bad shape

There is already a thread in PA about this.
media has become a politics tool in both the countries.
does pakistani media highlight that last month indian marines rescued 6 pakistanis from somali pirates and those people are still in mumbai awaiting a response from their govt.
also two weeks ago an indian paid diyat of few pakistanis and rescued them from gallows in UAE. does it get any highlight in pakistan.

sadly when people of both the countries work together then govts pay no heed.

PS. I for one dont care if our govt paid the ransom or not. we need to make a “no negotiations” with policy like america but do stuff behind the scenes. If we pay them ransom today then they will demand for it tomorrow. already we have about 100 somali pirates captured and our navy patrols the somali waters. they have rescued many ships so far. we need to deal with them with iron hands.

i think u are talking about these guys who when freed went to Amirtsar and last i checked, Amirtsar was still in India…

hree Indians on UAE death row return home http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/nws/p/afp_logo_51.png

[LIST]

(http://mtf.news.yahoo.com/mailto/?prop=news&locale=us&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fs%2Fafp%2F20110531%2Fwl_mideast_afp%2Findiauaecrime&title=Three+Indians+on+UAE+death+row+return+home+-+Yahoo!+News&h1=afp/20110531/wl_mideast_afp/indiauaecrime&h2=T&h3=1514)

Print

[/LIST]
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/afp/20110531/capt.photo_1306849047524-1-0.jpg?x=213&y=148&xc=1&yc=1&wc=409&hc=284&q=85&sig=XtJ5c9GMihtI_3c89QkDtg– AFP – (From left) Released Indian prisoners Pradeep Kumar, Kashmiri Lal and Trilochan Singh pose before a press …
                                                                          –     Tue May 31, 9:37 am ET
                            AMRITSAR, India (AFP) – Three Indian men sentenced to  death in the United Arab Emirates for murder returned home on Tuesday  after a businessman paid "blood money" to save their lives.

              The prisoners were freed in Sharjah after Dubai-based Indian businessman  S.P. Singh Oberoi paid 1.8 million rupees ($40,000) as compensation to  relatives of an Indian who was killed by the three men in October 2008.

              Kashmiri Lal, Trilochan Singh and Pradeep Kumar, sentenced to death in  2009, told reporters in the northern Indian city of Amritsar that they  were innocent and had been forced to sign documents they could not read.

              "I paid the blood money to save these men," Oberoi told AFP at Amritsar  airport where the men were welcomed home by their families.

              The men claimed they had been tortured while in custody.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110531/wl_mideast_afp/indiauaecrime

please do not post like Indian news channel

hanibal · June 17, 2011, 1:26pm

Re: rescue from the somalians pirates

kaka_in_usa:

There is already a thread in PA about this. media has become a politics tool in both the countries. does pakistani media highlight that last month indian marines rescued 6 pakistanis from somali pirates and those people are still in mumbai awaiting a response from their govt. also two weeks ago an indian paid diyat of few pakistanis and rescued them from gallows in UAE. does it get any highlight in pakistan.

sadly when people of both the countries work together then govts pay no heed.

PS. I for one dont care if our govt paid the ransom or not. we need to make a "no negotiations" with policy like america but do stuff behind the scenes. If we pay them ransom today then they will demand for it tomorrow. already we have about 100 somali pirates captured and our navy patrols the somali waters. they have rescued many ships so far. we need to deal with them with iron hands.

tell this to the relatives of the victims...

kaka_in_usa · June 17, 2011, 1:53pm

Re: rescue from the somalians pirates

dude you are confused. this is the news i am talking about and i created a thread about it without chest thumping like yours

http://i1.tribune.com.pk/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Sikh-640x480.jpg

An Indian saviour: From Mohali, with love

http://tribune.com.pk/story/166470/a…ali-with-love/

This March, as Pakistanis cheered their cricket team in their big match against India at Mohali, thousands of miles away, a man from Mohali was freeing two Pakistanis from the jaws of death.
SP Singh Oberoi was submitting pardon money to a court in Sharjah to free a group of 10 men — two of them Pakistani — from the jaws of death. “I was paying money to save eight Indians. How could I leave the two Pakistanis in the same group?” he asked.
This was not the first time this Indian helped a Pakistani prisoner escape the gallows. Oberoi, a Dubai-based businessman, has been promoting his own brand of ‘Aman ki Asha’, working tirelessly to help those embroiled in death cases in the UAE. Whether the worker happens to be Indian or Pakistani doesn’t make a difference to him.
Currently, he is pursuing four cases in which six Pakistani blue—collar workers have been charged with murder. He is paying pardon money (diya) to earn their freedom.
The death sentences for two Pakistanis — Mohammed Ansar Chaudhary from Azad Kashmir and Sahid Hussain Ifthreen Rana from Multan — have already been waived by a Sharjah court. These men, along with eight Indian Punjabis, were involved in bootlegging, which led to the murder of Pakistani worker Mumtaz Yousuf. In some labour camps on the outskirts of Dubai, procuring and selling liquor is a flourishing, albeit illegal, trade. Different groups of workers operate in their own areas, and understandably, one group doesn’t allow the other to enter their area. But trouble erupts when this unwritten rule is breached. Intrusions lead to clashes and violence. When the fight becomes really brutal, deaths occur, as on this occasion. Though the Dubai police keep a close eye on such activities, these incidents have been fairly common.
Oberoi has submitted pardon documents in another case in which two Pakistani workers, alongside a Bangladeshi and seven Indian Punjabis, have been charged with the murder of an Indian. As of now, Oberoi has paid Rs18 lakhs as pardon money to get the three Pakistani prisoners released.
So did the idea that these men belong to an ‘enemy’ country cross his mind? “I never think like that. My focus is on saving human lives, whether Indian or Pakistani. These men are victims of circumstances, driven to such crimes by poverty and desperation. They come from lower middle class families and take loans to travel abroad to make a living,” says Oberoi. He offers help to those who have no one else to fight their cases. “To help someone in distress is being human. I value the common heritage of the neighbouring countries, especially in Punjab on both the sides, people have similar eating habits, language and lifestyle.”
Though he helps Pakistani prisoners, he has never received support from Pakistan’s embassy. “I have never been contacted by the Pakistani embassy for any of these cases and I have never approached them either.”
In Mumtaz Yousuf’s murder case, Oberoi says it was not easy to convince Mohmmad Yousuf, the victim’s father, to pardon the murderers of his 23-year-old son in exchange for Diya. “It took me seven months to convince Mumtaz Yousuf’s family,” says Oberoi who arranged for the visas, air tickets and accommodations for Mohammad Yousuf and his relative Kashif Imran in Dubai. “Mohammad Yousuf stayed here for two months attending court hearings but wasn’t ready for a compromise.”
Oberoi then tried to convince him that if he accepted the blood money he could prevent 10 families — the families of the accused — from going through the pain that he had been through. “I told him that the money could never bring his son back but it would certainly help Mumtaz Yousuf’s seven siblings and secure their future. Eventually he agreed,” says Oberoi.
On February 1, 2011, Oberoi and Mohmmad Yousuf appeared in court and the jury was informed that he is ready to pardon all the 10 men. “It was an agonising decision; I don’t want these families to experience the pain that I’m going through,” Yusuf told the court. The jury accepted the request and the verdict was finally delivered on March 27, when the death penalty was waived.
Oberoi has come to the conclusion that blue -collared workers, both from India and Pakistan, are victims of adverse circumstances: “Most of these crimes are committed under the influence of alcohol. I do not blame the boys. They come after paying so much money to agents. It is the economic condition of these workers that force them to get on the wrong side of the law. Most of the time, they fall in the trap of making easy money without realising the gravity of the situation,” he says. At the same time, Oberoi maintains that he only helps those who are stuck in unfortunate circumstances and do not have the resources to save themselves. “I can never think of helping those involved in rape, drug cases and intentional murder cases.”
Oberoi also says that the Indian and Pakistani embassies are doing whatever they can to improve the situation despite limited resources and manpower. “We must realise that, because of the number of Indian and Pakistani workers in the UAE, it is impossible to monitor each and every case. My experience is that whenever anything comes to their notice, they do try their best to help workers.”
In this respect he believes that Indian and Pakistani communities in the UAE have a larger role to play in helping such people. “Besides creating awareness about life, laws and conditions in the UAE, I think communities here should arrange orientation courses back home to help those planning to come here,” he says.
Local communities can also pool in resources and help in fighting cases where workers have been wrongly implicated or in cases where they know for sure that they are innocent. “The real problem is communication and lack of knowledge of local laws.”
However, Oberoi has only praise for the Dubai and Sharjah police authorities who have always supported him. “They are very cooperative and whenever I visit a jail to meet the accused, they support and respect me. They only want to carry out justice.”
WHO IS SP SINGH OBEROI?
SP Singh Oberoi originally belongs to Mohali, Chandigarh. He is chairman and managing director of Apex Group of Companies. Back in India, Singh is involved in several humanitarian activities in Indian Punjab and organises mass marriages for the less privileged. He has sponsored more than 6,000 marriages — approximately 4,000 Sikh marriages, around 2,000 Hindu marriages and 160 nikahs as per Muslim traditions. He also sponsors underprivileged students in Punjab, pays their full expenses from 10+2 years of school, 4 years of engineering and then secures jobs for them in Dubai. Apart from running the NGO Esoterics Foundation, working on various environmental awareness programmes, Oberoi is constructing a charitable school and hostel for children with special needs in Patiala.
Published in The Express Tribune, Sunday Magazine, May 15th, 2011.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/all-views/502543-an-indian-saviour-from-mohali-with-love.html

mo293 · June 17, 2011, 3:49pm

Re: rescue from the somalians pirates

he don't know that his govt. makes regularly all kinds of deals with Maoist Terrorist, Oh then there was the Airline hijack incident... The less said the better, just wait some nitwit from IN or Govt to come with some halfa$$ story.

kaka_in_usa · June 17, 2011, 4:09pm

Re: rescue from the somalians pirates

^^ Wow.. i didnt know your frustration will lead to name calling. i understand your failure to comprehend valid arguments , thats all zia taught you.

i can reply to you in your own language but then i will have to stoop down to your level and that is worse than blasphemy.

mo293 · June 17, 2011, 4:48pm

Re: rescue from the somalians pirates

haha I can see you squirm, Just go do a chakka dance in front of maoist terrorist and pay em ransom.. LMAO... :D

kaka_in_usa · June 17, 2011, 5:35pm

Re: rescue from the somalians pirates

lol like you are doing when americans and jews are killing your contrymen and govt brings food on your table from what america throws at you. :D
i wonder how much they pay your for your hijra dance on the dead body of your sisters and mothers ;)

mo293 · June 17, 2011, 5:58pm

Re: rescue from the somalians pirates

hahah squirm squirm squirm,,,

BTW not more then what you hijras pay for the dead bodies of your matha ji and didi ji... LMAO... :)

kaka_in_usa · June 17, 2011, 6:19pm

Re: rescue from the somalians pirates

^^ lol thats it. thats all your madarassa molested brain could come up with.
go do some more hijra dance. americans may be in good mood today

mo293 · June 17, 2011, 6:48pm

Re: rescue from the somalians pirates

hahaha Squirm squirm LMAO...

kaka_in_usa · June 17, 2011, 6:51pm

Re: rescue from the somalians pirates

dance dance :D

mo293 · June 17, 2011, 7:31pm

Re: rescue from the somalians pirates

squirm squirm squirm, I can see your takleef... :)

kaka_in_usa · June 17, 2011, 7:34pm

Re: rescue from the somalians pirates

lol... i can see your gooda through your 70 layers of clothes :D

mo293 · June 17, 2011, 7:58pm

Re: rescue from the somalians pirates

squirm squirm squirm, I can see your intense takleef… use burnol…

Faris_Udeen · June 17, 2011, 8:02pm

Re: rescue from the somalians pirates

Bhai you have every right to chest thump and head bang…

In fact in future bhai you should always post good news and bring more joy to those with an mind for unity… I’m sick of infighting between Asians.

We still gotta be the ones who have to get along after we dominate the global markets and everything.

kaka_in_usa · June 17, 2011, 8:24pm

Re: rescue from the somalians pirates

^^ Thanks for posting a nice one after so many head banging posts. you are good as always. :)

I think we all should make it our habit to help each other so that it becomes a thing of routine. in foreign lands we nationals of both the countries work with each other and help each other. our govts should do the same thing.
I was at the jaipur literary festival this year and there were a lot of writers from pakistan representing the good side of pakistan. infact one writer from pakistan won the prestigious $50K award for best book called homeboy.
it was hard to tell between indians and pakistanis as both were working hard to make the event successful. i hope we could do the same thing in other fields too.

PS> i am gonna ignore high on hormone little girl that **mo293 **is. i will let him use his burnol on his jealous nut size brain.