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In my humble opinion, these Ayaat can be summarised as follows;
Allah Almighty is trying to warn Muslims that they should respect the Messanger of Allah Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) and should avoid saying or doing anything which might hurt him. It can be both in not paying due respect to him or not obeying his commands. Because after becoming momin, to be dis-respectful or to hurt a prophet is not liked by Allah Almighty. The example of such an act was the attitude of Jews towards Hazrat Musa (AS). So instead of adopting a hypocritical attitude like certain Jews in the days of Hazrat Musa (AS), Muslims are urged to fear Allah Almighty, shun hypocricy and be honest in their confession and conversation. In this way, Allah Almighty will cleanse their acts and will forgive their shortcomings. Those who do so, it would be as if they are obeying Allah Almigty and His Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (SAW). Surely this group will attain a glorfying success in this world and/or hereafter. But this success can be attained only by those who have the wisdom to act upon Allah's path. And this wisdom is a heavy trust which the earth, skies and mountains declined to bear. But man in his ignorance, volunteered to bear it, not knowing the hardships and obligations associated with it. How cruel he became for himself by virtue of this ignorance? And those who will not do justice to this trust of wisdom will become astray. They, instead of believing and worshiping one true Allah Almighty and following His last messanger Hazrat Muhammad (SAW), would become hypocrites and polythiests. Allah Almighty will punish them severely. But those Momineen, who would honour this trust, reposed in them, will be blessed by Allah Almighty, who is most Merciful and Benificient.

Wassalam.

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Welcome back Dr. Sufi and thank you for clear word to word translation. I appreciate your effort :jazak:

So hypothetically if man had not undertaken this trust then what would have been the story ?

Obviously man was designed/ programed for undertaking for this obligation as per Mirza Ghalib …

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Assalamu'alaikum bro Code_Red

I think this statement needs to be taken in a general sense too. Humans are truly zalim because we do kill and we are truly ignorant because we take actions without looking at consequences. The generality in the statement is true and we should not bog ourselves down by trying to limit the meaning behind it purely to that event of the Trust.

With regards to 'no true intentions to return the trust in tact' to elaborate I meant just that ... we see gold we will promise our mothers hand in marriage to the owners of that gold, but then when it is time to pay up we realise we cannot meet the demands. This is a very strict analogy please try to understand this.

I actually agree with Dr. Sufi on the explanation he has given too, but I know it is linked with the time before our creation. The Prophet Musa and indeed Muhammad (SAW) were the fulfilment side of the trust for us to obey and accept them, but the ones of us who do not will not get to Paradise.

Read also Qur'an Surah 3:164 and

Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 92, Number 381:
Narrated Hudhaifa:

Allah's Apostle said to us, "Honesty (Al-Amanah) descended from the Heavens and settled in the roots of the hearts of men (faithful believers), and then the Quran was revealed and the people read the Quran, (and learnt it from it) and also learnt it from the Sunna." Both Quran and Sunna strengthened their (the faithful believers') honesty.

Volume 9, Book 88, Number 208:
Narrated Hudhaifa:

Allah's Apostle related to us, two prophetic narrations one of which I have seen fulfilled and I am waiting for the fulfillment of the other. The Prophet told us that the virtue of honesty descended in the roots of men's hearts (from Allah) and then they learned it from the Qur'an and then they learned it from the Sunna (the Prophet's traditions). The Prophet further told us how that honesty will be taken away: He said: "Man will go to sleep during which honesty will be taken away from his heart and only its trace will remain in his heart like the trace of a dark spot; then man will go to sleep, during which honesty will decrease further still, so that its trace will resemble the trace of blister as when an ember is dropped on one's foot which would make it swell, and one would see it swollen but there would be nothing inside. People would be carrying out their trade but hardly will there be a trustworthy person. It will be said, 'in such-and-such tribe there is an honest man,' and later it will be said about some man, 'What a wise, polite and strong man he is!' Though he will not have faith equal even to a mustard seed in his heart." No doubt, there came upon me a time when I did not mind dealing (bargaining) with anyone of you, for if he was a Muslim his Islam would compel him to pay me what is due to me, and if he was a Christian, the Muslim official would compel him to pay me what is due to me, but today I do not deal except with such-and-such person.

With regards to the Matrix worlds ... I would tend to say 'no', because Allah (SWT) is not limited to time. He is as Manifest Billions of Years ago as He is Now and as He Will Be. Often the Qur'an talks about punishment in Hellfire in the past tense, as though it already happened, this is because the reality of our past events being recorded in time are no different in substance to Allah (SWT) for any domain be it present or in the future. Allah (SWT) does not make mistakes either.

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Bro Code_Red

I hope Dr. Sufi also answers this too, but for my input I would add that our fate would be that of the mountains.

Programmed for undertaking this obligation - this creates a misconcept, though the idea is true. We are made to fulfil this obligation, but we are also made to choose not to. This will harm us for sure. Like food if we stay without it we can survive so long, but afterwards we fall. In a similar spiritual sense our souls are nourished by being Honest with our Fitrah. In English this is called Virtue. To be honest is virtuous and we are nourished by being so. If we leave honesty - i.e. reject the Trust - then we starve our souls and thus lead ourselves to fitnah.

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BismAllah Al Rahman Al Raheem.
I pray for the forgiveness to Allah.

Truly, We did offer the Amanah to the heavens and the earth, and the mountains, but they declined to bear it and were afraid of it. But man bore it. Verily, he was unjust and ignorant.

To understand Quran one has to understand its style, it is not a book where by one subject would be concluded in one chapter and a new subject will be started. There are thousands of cross references, and an ocean of interpretation. Other than the Ayah-e-Ahkam, that can never change, every thing else can marvelously coexist with its time.

There are only three creations of Allah that are self aware, namely Human, Jin, and Angels. All other living creations are not aware of “ego”, they have not been bestowed upon with intellect.
In these three kind of intellectual life forms only human are different, they carry soul (Amar-e-Rabi) and body, created by dust, clay. The characteristics of clay are well known.

In the first two Raku of Surah-e-Baqra, three groups of human were categorically defined. MutaQeen, And MunaFeQeen, Munafeeqeen were further classified into conscious hypocrites and unconscious hypocrites.

If you are able to understand the true meanings, in the light of cross references, of three words (Amanah, Unjust, and Ignorant), you will Inshallah be able to understand what is being said here.

Hazrat Mosa , Moses (PBUH), was the only prophet who use to speak to Allah (SAW) directly, Allah has spoken to Prophet Mohammad but not on earth, and only during Shabe-e-Miraj. You also know that when Allah reflected Allah’s self onto Koh-e-Toor it annihilated.

Now come back to the first word *Amanah *, it is place holder for the Khilafat , NeYabat, of Allah. Khilafat does not come with the responsibility alone, it comes with authority and written rules. These written rules are divine books, before Quran for specific groups of people and Quaran for the entire Humanity.

Quran is word of Allah, so it is a characteristics of Allah, it is not something external to Allah but not entirely Allah’s self. And Allah’s Amanah is Allah’s “Shariyah” which is Quran. Now when Allah reveals his reflection “characteristics” onto Koh-e-toor it vanished, not withstanding one characteristics of Allah, it is quite understandable that heavens or mountain were not to withstand another characteristics of Allah, The Quran.

In Tafsir Ibn-e-Katir, the word “is” used instead of “was”, when acknowledging human as “unjust” and “ignorant”, that word might have lead to your interpretation of the existence of another human universe before us.

Now let’s go back to first two Raku’s of Surah Al-Baqrah, where Allah has classified two kind of Munafiq, one conscious, and another unconscious. An unjust (Zalim) is a person who knows the truth but denies its existence, and Jahil is one who thinks he is right, but he is wrong, and instead of correcting himself he insists on his standpoint.

Now you agree that Allah is omniscient, he knew that there will be two kind of people among human who would deny his “shariah”. One who would know that it is word of Allah, but will deny it thus making then unjust (zalim).
Another who would think that their interpretation of the word of Allah is correct, and prophet is wrong thus making them foolish (Jahil).

The words unjust and foolish are not used in connection with the word “Amanah” thus making it good or bad, but with in the light of Allah’s omniscience that groups of human will refuse to abide by the responsibilities within “Amanah” while carry on enjoying the authority.

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Thankyou friends for allocating your precious time for explainations :flower1:

Dear Psyah

I have strong reservations on some of the point noted bellow :

  1. you statement
    Humans are said to have accepted a Divine Trust with no clean intention to return that trust in tact…

What i understood, from you explanation and that You are implying that man is morally corrupt by nature … On top of that God has alrready issued decree that man is foolish and unjust. (In general sense as you put it )
So these are the salient features of so-called The best creature ( Ashraf-ul-makhlookat ). I assume God’s QA/QC dept needs major overhauling.

  1. As per your explaination man could have chosen not undertake the trust and should have played safe. Let me quote

Besides man, there is atleast on other creature known to have ‘free will’ according to scriptures. They are Jinnat. Since all other creatures refused, it means they too did the same and politely declined to accept the trust. Now the question arises :

Will their fate be among those creature who refused to undertake the trust ? Will they be expuged from existance and lost in oblivion forever ? Will there be no questioning of their Aamaal on the day of judgment ?

Obviously NOT !

Free will comes with a price tag !

Despite not getting into trust relationship with God, this creature will be treated like man on the day of judgment, according to my understanding of scriptures.

So now how would you explain this obvious discrecpancies ?

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Peace bro Code_Red

You are using my bad language as evidence against me. Please realise that I am trying to portray an understanding so you can try to join the gaps rather than finding the holes in the way I have tried to communicate the point. Your concerns are of course true but not because of the scripture but because of the way I have failed to communicate the passages to you.

Also remember that the Qur’an will give misguidance in sync with guidance so prepare yourself to receive an understanding beyond ‘ego’.

Now you are asking that I am implying that man is morally corrupt by nature. If you understood the nufs then you know that the allegation is true. It is indeed mans nature to be killers, rapists, polytheists, arrogant and liars, if it was not in our nature then you would not see it in the world, rather Angels are pure from this and rationale dictates that they should be better than us. However, Allah (SWT) is Wise. Even the angels could not understand why Allah (SWT) made us to be representatives and above all creation when we would be doing all these sins.

Humans however, also have another nature, to be good, worshipping, seeking of forgiveness and mercy which are loving to Allah (SWT). We have a choice to submit to our animal natures or to our angelic natures. We are indeed like both animal and angel in a single form. The man who chooses to be like an animal is WORSE than the animal and the man who choose to be like the angels is BETTER than them, because he has exercised a choice that both animals and angels do not have.

To clarify your statement of ‘best of creation’ it is also to add that it is our form i.e. the body that some refer to as ‘the best’ … also with regards to the ability to choose. It does not mean that our inherent natures are the best, because we know this to be angels because they cannot sin and they choose only to worship as it is their sustenance.

By the statement you say “God’s QA/QC department needs …” is a problematic statement and demonstrates the type of glasses you are wearing whilst approaching this subject.

Also I did not say that all other creatures refused, nor is that implied in the verse. There are other places such as hadith that clarify that both Jinn and Mankind were the greedy ones and wanted to be sent to Earth for a chance to go to Jannah.

If there are discrepencies I would like you to know that they are created by me, in the quality of my discourse, but I assure you there are no discrepencies in this subject matter. Let me add that if we do not try to be good we will be bad that is our natural course, but we need to rise above our sense gratification desires and our emotional ones and rely more on the ones that are grounded in reason.