reply to Karina-differentiating Islam from other religions (ie. Hinduism)

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*Originally posted by Matsui: *

Spock..I will let you into a little secret, I don;t view the world in terms of relgion. But if someone is hell bent on proving their idiotic superiority of their faith. i.e. the originator of this thread then game on.
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Matsui, you dont have to stoop to their levels... I respect Hinduism, and I was amongst the first to ask that guy in that 'incest' thread, not to mock a religion, as a religion is a man's personal belief. I know I cannot convince you to believe anything in Hinduism is wrong, and you cant force me to believe anything in Islam is wrong, so whats the point of this religion bashing? In the end, we will be back to square 1.

Spock… thats exactly what i was saying :k: lekin my words arent as clear and concise as urs :slight_smile:

For first 13 years of makki life, No one listened to Rasoolulah :saw:.. Did he stop preaching to them? -NO-

Yes, he:saw: went to those who were listening but never gave up on the rest. why? because it was his:saw: duty… and as per many places in quran (eg. ayah 110 surah aal-e-imran) we are also responsible for “just conveying” the message NOT some one to convert.. it wasn’t even in Rasoolulah:saw: hands…

Preaching of Islam is done with the intention of getting Raza of ALLAH and because He has ordered us to do so Not because we want the result… it’s not the end result that we have to care about… it’s not the matter of winning and losing.. It’s the matter of If we do it or not!

:rotfl::rotfl: Losing the argument, eh ?? I dont need a Tamga on Islamiyat from you or your cronies..Karlo jo karna hai…Go issue a Fatwa…:rotfl:

Yeah and you are a true muslim. :hehe::hehe:

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Had a power outage last night due to Isabel so was unable to respond but I’m back. What am awesome thread I created, eh? It’s got the most views so far as well.

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Karina, insecurity shows in lengthy responses when there is absolutely no need for them. Were you so secure in your beliefs, there would have been no need to stretch things out the way you seem to do constantly on this thread. As evident by the number of responses submitted here by guppies to educate people like you, I rest my case. You and your Hindu or Hindu-wanna-be cronies can take a dive in the Ganges.

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*Originally posted by robby: *
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then how can you say we must not codem the budhist or hindu religon, i am not saying they are bad, or the people who follow these religons are bad
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Your duty as a Muslim is to convey the message of Allah's One being and not push everyone to follow / believe in the faith of Islam. I think the message to "targets" on this forum is already conveyed several times.

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but if today we as muslims decide to stay quiet, thinking it would get better....
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Who says to stay quiet, start a radio station, tv station and start preaching Islam on radion/TV/internet, you don't have to pickup arms to start preaching.

Changez, who’s talking about arms? There is no attempt on this thread to try to convert anyone, for your information. As Gupshup is a discussion forum, all we’re doing here is having an interesting discussion on the topic and educating those that seem to have a one-track mind in looking at certain pertinent issues. Nothing more than that, my friend.

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may be this link would help …

read about how the priest embraced islam…

light is there asif and sundry …only the open mind is needed
priest converts to islam
may ALLAH show all of us the true path

^ Ameen :flower1:

Roman, the question is not whether adultery is bad or good. You are confusing the issue. I am certain no religion says adultery is good. SO Islam is not unique in that aspect. Where it is unique and wrong in my view is meting out punishment for a private matter. Maybe other religions are more in line with human behavior as they do not tie to legislate private matters, where god has given us enough intelligence to use our brains.

Human behaviour???? Last I checked in any legislation the concept of crime and punishment is based on the very nature of human behaviour. You commit a wrongful deed, you get punished for it. How is it any different in case of Islam looking at adultry a wrongful act to the extent enough to prescribe punishment?

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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *

Your duty as a Muslim is to convey the message of Allah's One being and not push everyone to follow / believe in the faith of Islam. I think the message to "targets" on this forum is already conveyed several times.

Who says to stay quiet, start a radio station, tv station and start preaching Islam on radion/TV/internet, you don't have to pickup arms to start preaching.
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Changez bhai...

Preaching Islam, and attacking another religion are two different things. These days, its necessary to respects ones religion, and if you want to spread the message of Islam, you have to do it in such a way that a person's existing religion is not offended in any way, or the success rate would be 0.

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*Originally posted by Spock: *

Changez bhai...

Preaching Islam, and attacking another religion are two different things. These days, its necessary to respects ones religion, and if you want to spread the message of Islam, you have to do it in such a way that a person's existing religion is not offended in any way, or the success rate would be 0.
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Spock get over this, no one attacked hinduism, it was something which was hard to believe and a shocking, no one has attacked hinduism or budhism. It is pretty shocking when you find something so un conventional as incest being commited by the for fathers and leaders of a religon(hinduism).

So if me or someone else who comes across these facts decides to post them(in this case me) is not dissing them. I posted to see what others think about it, to find out how the majority will react, what will they have to say, and those who believe it can give us knowledge of why this happend, most of all would the majority be shocked or are they aware of this fact already and if they are aware of it is there explanation for why it happened repeatidly through out hindu history.

This is not dissing of a religon it is simply a way of discussing and gaining knowledge. If no one ever questions how do u expect to progress? how do u expect to learn??? and for those who are cowardly attacking our religon without any facts they should not scare u or distress you, cuz unlike them our religon(islam) has explanation to everything. our prophet(pbuh) explained the reason for anything he did and why he did it. There baseless accusations should not worry you cuz you should have enough knowldge about your religon to defend it.

cousin marrigaes more comon in pakistan ans south india than in orth india i dont know whre you got your info. one major genetic diseases
like thalsemis is due cousin marriage in pakistan.

Thalassaemia control

http://www.dawn.com/2002/05/10/ed.htm#3

recent study of British Pakistanis has shown an increasing trend of cousin marriages i.e. 33% in Pakistan but 55% in Yorkshire! Journal of Medical Genetics. 1988,25,186-190.

For a start when i said incest i did not mean cousins, secondly i was not reffering to current population of india. i was talking about hindu gods such as raaam marrying his real sister sita any how thats a long topic and its shocking.

As for couin marriages my friend 1st of all you are another lame person, we are not talking about pakistan in this thread, or india. Although if you want to look at it from a religous point of view, cosuin marrigaes are allowed not only in islam but also in judaism and prostants(christians) i dont know what stance hinduism or budhism take on this matter. Cousin marriages are very common all around the world east and west. Chances of genetic disorder or desease occuring due to cosuin marriages is 0.3 percent, but out side cosuin marriages it is not much lower it is at 0.1 percent. Everything has a risk no matter what you are doing.

Ram and sita were brothers and sisters? whoa !!! Knobby you must be more hindu than most hindus.

Vaisey, retardation is quite common among the Saudis. You know the place where it all started. :k:

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1st of all i would like to answer karina's thread which got closed it was based in the corner room, karina i was not attacking hinduism in my thread, or dissing hinduism for a split second, i was just shocked to find out that hindu gods were involved in incest. So i thought others would be as shocked as i was so i decided to post it. I cant justify incest maybe you can, can you????

Read my answer to you - I did not attempt to justify it. I even wrote I was disturbed to find that out. As for attacking hinduism - you said it was based on incest. Do you know hinduism's teachings? Have you read the Geeta? Do you know anything about Sidhartha's message? Do that first before you use words like 'based'.

Then you went on to say that our prophet(pbuh) married a 6 year old, well yeah he married a kid but did not take her home, or touched her till she was an adult so next time have that in mind and do a bit of reasearch before u say stuff, cuz only facts should come out.

I posted a link that had scores of testimonies from muslims who have given up Islam. It is from this site that I learned that he did sleep with her only the priests do not tell the followers the truth. I did not make this up, just like you did not make the incest bit up. Ironically I was given the link to this site by a Pakistani himself! No need to try and convince me, convince your brethren.

Now in this thread u have not given the source from which u claim that budhism is the fastest growing religon in usa, For your kind information it is an offical fact that islam is not only the fastest growing religon in the usa but its also the fasted growing religon in the world.

Just like you have not given us a link to show Islam is the fastest growing religion amongst whites.

Well karina from your lame and angry arguments all i can make out is that because u thought i was dissing hinduism you got angry, wouldnt it be better if you would explain how u except incest gods and whats the logic behind it instead of getting all fired up about it. Look it was bound to be shocking for someone who had no clue that incest was practiced by the gods of hinduism. I was shocked to find out that ram and sita were brother and sister because each time a couple looks good it is resembled with ram and sita by hindus.

Ram and Sita were brother and sister? First time I heard about it. Have you seen or read the Ramayana? Just one dubious link does not a truth make.

This goes for both matsui and karina instead of attacking islam which you know nothing about, or instead of being angry and belting out simply answer our questions about hinduism. If you guys have some questions about islam we will try our best to answer them.

I never had any question until you started the question-answer thing.

Karina try sticking to the topic you have a habbit of floating away, the initial topic was hindus,you started talking about islam. Sweetipie replied you by opening this thread about your questions on islam, and there you were floating again by telling sweetiepie what kind of a person u thought she was, and blaa blaa blaa. We are not discussing what you think about sweetiepie in this thread so please stay on the topic!!!!

Aha, prejudiced reading I see. It was she who got personal first. Go back and read the thread, my answer to her and how she came out, arms flailing, going on a direct attack by calling me hypocrite and stuff.

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Exactly Mat, I just asked the same question.

This thread is going no where but down. robby stay away from personal insults. Same goes for anyone else who indulges in this.

The thread is now closed. Any other thread opened to attack another faith/religion will be closed rightaway.