As far as I know, if someone truly regrets something they’ve done, like smoking weed or having (consensual) sex, or watever, and they sincerely try their best to stay away from this stuff, Allah swt will forgive them, and you don’t need to advertise your sin and this is the belief I stick to.
However, when it comes to something like.. rape or murder or abusing your children.. where the sin you commit hurts someone else and ruins their life, are they still forgiven and start over with a clean slate WITHOUT any punishment from outside forces?
This is what I think: in the first scenario (consensual sins, so to speak) the person wasn’t hurting anyone directly, just themselves..and they go through inner pain and anguish and regret for what they have done and thats punishment enough…
but in the second scenario, the person has ruined someone else’s life, mentally/emotionally murdering them (if not physically).. I’ve heard arguments in the past that someone who was raped/molested should not point out the rapist (who has “repented”) because that will ruin HIS life , but what about her life? She is still suffering because of what he and others did to her, but he can “repent” and not be punished at all?
i am guessing you havent heard the incident about the guy who murdered 99 people and was on his way to repentance - anyone else heard/read that incident?
I've always been told (and believed) that sins you commit against God are forgiven my God. Sins you commit against others can only be forgiven by others.
That is my understanding too… Sins against rights of Allah:swt: can be forgiven after repentance. But sins against Rights of fellow human beings are only forgiven upon the forgiveness of those people. That is the instance of Ahnaaf and as far as I know all school of thoughts..
since the person has repented and Allah has to forgive him, the people against whom he has committed attrocities shall be pleased by Allah by giving them paradise....
and they shall be asked if they r pleased with the deal, to which they shall agree....
Exactly. That's what it will happen in the Day of Judgement. People will be asking forgiveness to other people, the other people will only forgive by taking good deeds from them.
What does the Sharia say about people who rape, murder, or do atrocities?Death Punishment.
If they repented, its up to Allah swt to forgive them or not, I dont see how anyone can say since he repented lets not punish him, how do they even know he's sincere.
No, on the Day of Judgement no one can help anybody, not your mother, father, brother, sister, relative, or someone you know, only Allah swt can. He knows if you are sincere or if your worthy for forgiveness.
Salam bro. What ever I have said above are not my words. I know nobody can help any body, but Allah Tallah will not forgive, which you commit a sin of others. People will be meeting with other people too.
In the Day of Judgement, if you ask forgiveness from that person that you commited a sin to him/her, that person will take your deeds away and will forgive you. That's how it goes in the Day of Judgement for that. I just heard from my Dad and from people. Once again, these are not my words.
Abu Sa’id Al-Khudri narrated the the Prophet :saw: said:
“Among those who came before you was a man who killed 99 people. He then asked to be guided to the most prolific worshipper from the inhabitants of the earth, and he was directed to a monk. He went to him and told him that he had killed 99 people, and he asked whether it was possible for him to repent. The Monk said, ‘No.’ The man killed him, thus making him his 100th (victim). He then asked to be directed to the most knowledgeable of earth’s inhabitants, and he was guided to a scholar. He went to him and told him that he had killed 100 people, and he asked whether it was possible for him to repent. The scholar said, ‘Yes, and who will stand between you and repentance. Go to such and such land, for in it dwell a people who worship Allah, so go and worship Allah with them. And do not return to your land, for it is indeed a land of evil.’ He left, and when he reached the halfway point of his journey, he died. The angels of Mercy and the angels of Punishment disputed with one another (in regard to his case). The angels of Mercy said, ‘He came to us repentant, advancing with his heart towards Allah.’ But the angels of Punishment said, ‘Indeed, he never performed any good deeds.’ Then an angel came in the form of a human being, and both groups of angels asked him to judge between them. He said, ‘Measure the distance between the two lands. Whichever land he is closer to is the land that he is closer to (in terms of being of its people).’ They then measured the distance and found that he was closer to the land that he was heading towards, and so it was the angels of Mercy who then took his soul.”
Angel of mercy and angel of Punishment disputed among themselves; As far as I know angels cannot dispute among themselves because they are free of malice and they donot have free will like humans they do only what Allah asks them to do.
What is significance of third angel coming in the disguise of man; Why the third angel was commanded by Allah to go in disguise to the fellow angels. This have to have some meaning.
Why the group of angels asked a man to judge between them; I believe angels have direct access to Allah.
According to this “Amalon ka daromadar niyat par hai”, has no meaning at all. because the person was not judged by his intentions of repentance, he was judged by the distance between the two places, what if the person had died in the begining of the journey, then surely by this method of judgement he was doomed.
Theoratically speaking what you are giving me is a blank check I can commit any sin all of my life then start living in Allah’s house ofcourse with repentance in my heart and as per the measurements given above I will be in Jannat.
Nau saw chohay kha kar, billi chali haj ko. So appropriate in this case.
^ perhaps this is how Allah had wished for him....
when he had repented truly, Allah wished to put forth an example of His forgiveness to men and angels so He 'set up' the scenario by sending angels of mercy and punishment....
once u believe that Allah can do what He likes, u dont actually think that there r so many questions that r difficult to understand....
narrated the the Prophet :saw: said:
