Remembering the Cowards of the Netherlands: Srebrenica

The day when 400 Dutch cowards with guns, who claimed to be soldiers, cried rather than fight and watched 8000 unarmed Muslims be killed.

There is a reason why the phrase “Dutch courage” means the bravery you get only when drunk.

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/europe/article_1032362.php/Srebrenica_seared_deep_into_collective_Dutch_soul

Amsterdam (dpa) - The scar left by Srebrenica in the collective soul of the Netherlands runs deep. “There is but one word for the behaviour of the Dutch soldiers in Srebrenica: Cowardice,” a war correspondent at the time said as the 10th anniversary approached.

Writing in the respected NRC Handelsblad, Raymond van den Boogard said his countrymen had lost all will to fight in battle.

In an interview marking the anniversary, the defence minister at the time, Joris Voorhoeve, said: “I should really have resigned the day after the Serbs overran the enclave.”

But it was almost seven years before the government of then prime minister minister Wim Kok resigned in response to an independent Dutch inquiry into the conduct of the troops.

Families of the victims of the massacre are still pursuing a case through the Dutch courts in pursuit of their claim that the 400 men of “Dutchbat” had failed in their duty to protect the enclave.

Sociologist Herman Vuijsje described the men as “typical Hollanders”, who had taken the individualistic attitude: “None of my business.”

Vuijsje noted scornfully that the U.S.-led alliance in Iraq had created a kind of “milksop” role for the Dutch troops. “We patrol and make ourselves liked through sweet talk, but we are not called on when the real work has to be done.”

Several publications have hauled out for reprinting the notorious photograph of Dutchbat commander Colonel Ton Karremans raising a glass with Bosnian Serb General Ratko Mladic in Srebrenica on July 12, 1995, a day after the Dutch surrendered their positions and a day before the killings began in earnest.

**And the words of the French commander of UNPROFOR, General Bernard Janvier, are being quoted anew: "With 400 French troops it would have been a different story, because we would have fought. **

**“The Dutch had the order to fight. When one gets an order to fight, one fights,” Janvier told the French National Assembly in 2001. **

There is scorn over the way the military tried to pass the buck to UNPROFOR command, accusing it of failing to provide air suppport.

And there is scorn over the failure of the politicians to take full blame. On resigning Kok accepted “co-responsibility” as part of the international community.

The country’s intellectuals are caught up in soul-searching over whether there is something in the national identity that shies away from conflict. Parallels have been drawn with its record during World War II, when there was little resistance to the deportation of the Jews.

Among the questions being asked are: “Will Dutch troops ever be taken seriously again on international peacekeeping operations?” and “Can the Dutch play their full role in fighting international terrorism?”

It will be many years before the guilt over the massacre is finally laid to rest.

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More Dutch courage at Srebrenica.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apeurope_story.asp?category=1103&slug=Srebrenica%20Dutch%20Trauma

Cpl. Andries Poortinga was one. Poortinga, one of 171 soldiers whose accounts appeared in “Memories of Srebrenica,” published last month, saw tens of thousands of refugees cramming into the U.N. camp at Potocari, a suburb of Srebrenica, as the Serbs pounded the area from the surrounding hills.

For days, the battalion had waited for reinforcements and air support. None came. One soldier already had been killed by Muslim forces. By the time the Serb attack started on July 11, the soldiers’ nerves were shot.

“All those people … screaming and crying. A truck, normally fit for 18 people, was packed with 200 refugees. We helped them from the truck and gave them a place in the factory hall,” Poortinga recalled in the book.

“It was hell. I did my best, but after a while I collapsed. The shouting became louder and louder. The shooting came close, grenades fell, dust came from the ceiling. I found myself crying like a baby. I am not a baby at all, but then I was like a child.”


With coward soldiers like this, it’s no wonder Holland surrendered to the Nazis after less than 96 hours of war…

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Here is an eyewitness account of the massacre and the cowardice of the Dutch…

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Dutch caps

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" From the Bosnia war's inception in April 1992, indiscriminate killing, rape, torture—massacre—lay at the heart of "ethnic cleansing," the conscious and well-planned Serb strategy intended to render large swathes of the country "pure" enough of Muslims to form a "Greater Serbia." Srebrenica, with its seven thousand or more Muslim dead, will stand as the bloodiest instance of ethnic cleansing, while other incidents that approach it in horror remain virtually unknown."

From the site...

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Not Cowards but friends to those of Serb murderers...

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Ooops, I thought you were talking about Saddam. I forgot about the double standard. Never mind.

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^^

You mean the Kurds? The same traitors who sided with Iran in the Iran-Iraq war? The same ones who armed by Iran were planning to start a civil war in Iraq during its war with Iran in order to set up an independent Kurdistan?

Question Ohioguy: What did Abraham Lincoln do when the south decided to secede from the Union?

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He did not gas them.

And, circumstances are a little different when you are talking about emancipating slaves, not maintaining slavery.

Look up the ethnic cleansing experienced by the Kurds. Hundreds of villages burned, and whole cities turned over to the Arabs. Hundreds of thousands in mass graves. Which, sounds like the Serbs! But, since it is a cultural impossibility for you to take action against a Muslim leaders, I will leave you here to rant against the Dutch.

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Yup.

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Such selective weeping. Ethnic cleansing? Saddam was every bit the equal of Milosevic. But oops, we don’t count him. No Muslims starting mourning threads about the Kurds, just vague implications that separatist movements should be met with ethnic cleansing.

Anfal differed from earlier campaigns of destruction carried out by Iraqi authorities against the Kurds. The earlier campaigns had killed people and destroyed property, and were perhaps partly intended as punishment for presumed and actual collaboration between the rural civilian Kurdish population and Kurdish guerrillas, some of whom were aligned with Iran during the Iran-Iraq war. They were vicious and illegal campaigns, and constituted gross abuses of human rights. They were also apparently intended to reduce the Kurdish guerrillas’ social base among the Kurdish villages and to relocate the Kurds, in part, into areas firmly under army control. But in contrast to Anfal, the earlier campaigns generally – although not always – assumed that Kurdistan was the Kurds’ rightful place. Though the Kurds were liable to frightful punishment, they would remain where they had always been.10

Anfal began from the different assumption that, foreseeing a possible ceasefire in the Iran-Iraq war, it was time to settle the “Kurdish problem” once and for all. It was not intended as exemplary punishment of the Kurds for their presumed or actual collaboration with Iran or for supporting Kurdish guerrillas. Punishment not being exemplary if there is no one left to witness the lesson, Anfal was not intended to deter.** Anfal was a “final solution,” implemented by the Iraqi government, the Ba’ath Party and the Iraqi army. It was intended to make the Kurds of Iraqi Kurdistan and their rural way of life disappear forever. Only such an intent can explain the precise, neat, and thorough destruction of the already empty Kurdish villages, and the fact that Anfal encompassed virtually all Kurdish villages. Or, as stated by Ali Hassan al-Majid, a cousin of President Saddam Hussein who was, during Anfal, in charge of Iraqi Kurdistan and at this writing serves as Iraqi Minister of Defense: “Yes, I’ll certainly look after [the Kurds]. I’ll do it by burying them with bulldozers. That’s how I’ll do it.”**

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Hey open another thread up about your justification for murdering innocent Muslims babies, this one is for the Dutch and Serbs.

Christian and Jew muderers get in line!

tsk some people!

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homer's just jealous 'cause despot tyrants supported by the US don't always manage to massacre as many people as despot tyrants not supported by the US

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Just pointing out a few double standards Thappy. Here we are weaping about 400 Dutch NOT doing something about genocidal ethnic cleansers, and in OTHER threads, you are complaining about the deposing and capture of genocidal ethnic cleansers.

Just a sorta confusing isn't it? Do you want the West to shoot the murderers of unarmed people, or not? Do you want to protect ethnic minorities or only when the ethnic minorities are Muslims, and ** when the slaughtering is done by non-muslims?** Just kind of a damned if you do and damned if you don't thing....

Or has it not crossed your mind that the Baathists were every bit the equal of the Serbs? I guess if the Serbs had * claimed *to be good muslims we could have skipped this whole thread eh?

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Good Muslims? Who cares? They only have to claim to be Muslims.

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Again you two open a new thread if you must but keep general Judeo-Christian massacres of Muslims out of this, this thread is specific to the serb christian fundemantalists massacrering Muslims and stupid Dutch christian apathy to it.

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Just sort of funny, Shia are being slaughtered with bombs outside their mosques in Iraq, and not a Muslim in the whole world will stand up for them. But they expect 400 Westerners to fight to the death to protect Muslims. They expect air raids on demand to protect one group from the Serbs, but when you are doing air raids to protect another group you are baby killers. Just a whole lotta double standards.

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yup I guess you do find massacres funny innit OG ;) you keep supporting your war of terror and you'll be guaranteed many many more.

Good luck.

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Are we allowed to discuss general Muslim apathy to the plight of these victims since there were as many Muslims involved in this effort to save innocents as there has been in any other conflict? Maybe if Muslims weren’t so dependent on others to do their dirty work for them they would be able to improve the plight of the oppressed. :bummer:

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Dirty work! you washed my lota once, once! and I never hear the end of it.