Remembering September, the 11th.

It is not about the Twin Towers and the course of history that Bin Laden proudly claims to have changed. Let’s remember the birth of the evil inside the quarters of Islam, the religion that stands for peace and not lawlessness, self-improvement before commanding the others … taking on the enemy on the face with the power of faith …and not stabbing the innocent in the back.

The course of history has been changed indeed. Didn’t we all ,secretly, take pride in the fact that one day after all this chaos and trouble with muslims ,the day will arrive when Islam again will rule the world.But we got so carried away with that dream that we forgot how really we were to bring about that change… and generation after generation ,all we did was step down the ladder of humanity and morality.We lost the insight into our religion, we allowed the illetrate and the corrupt to be the vanguards of Islam in the modern day and we allowed them to flourish…busy focusing on our own little lives…and so blinded that even today when two of them safely sitting in Pakistan declare that Alqaeda actually did it… some of us are thinking that Aljazeera must have been bought… why? Because what they did was horrendous… so cruel that we just don’t want to associate Islam or ourselves with it…!!!And yet the followership continues…!

And I believe that we will stay blind till we really look into Quran and hadith … we learn to open our hearts and minds to the religion and the limitations and protocols that come with it… only then shall we be able to carry on the legacy of the prophet (may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)… grasp the true meanings of jihad and how it is carried out … and that this dark evil does not define Islam !

I have learnt more about Islam and Islam’s history over the last year than I ever would have without 9/11. What does it mean to be a muslim? I have learnt that like most civilizations muslims rulers have lied to their own people. I have learnt that despite the fact that Islam is not supposed to have a clergy, the mad mullhas had taken over by default so much so that now some of them are claiming that american muslims should not pay heed to the elected muslim officials of America but pay heed to them sitting in Saudi Arabia ( see the advice on 9/11 at www.therighteouspath.com). I have learnt that we tell lies and falsehoods to each other on petty things. Corruption rules our lives and we give into hypocraisy and mouth pious words. We lie about our history ( for example, how muslim countries treated minorities so well; by todays standards we have treated minorites miserably and pathetically), and we lie about our glorious acheivements ( We mistreated practically every Muslim scientist that came up in the 9th through 12th century ). We are at the bottom in acheivement in the modern world and falling behind further by the day, but we lie to each other and say that it is the conspiracy of the jews, hindus, christians, IMF, USA, UN, etc.
But despite all of that, we still can produce people like Muhammad Ali, just to name one, who project the gentleness that can be in Islam. The first and most basic requirement is that we should learn to speak truthfully and learn to hear other’s criticism of ourselves without having to resort to delusions out of self defence.

And yes I agree with the editorial in NYPOST. As an American there will be time for grief when the war has been won, and it will not be won till Osama bin Laden becomes a cursed name in Islamic countries instead of a hero. A survery just showed that 74% (!!!) of Kuwatis consider him a Muslim Hero. I find that mind boggling!


http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/56654.htm

The threat was different - more direct, more defined. But it was no less deadly than that presented by Osama bin Laden, acting on behalf of fundamentalist Islam.

Thus rage, and resolve, are the appropriate emotions for tomorrow. And “absolute victory” is the appropriate goal.

There will be time for grief when the war has been won.


OldLahori, It is nice that you learnt all that, but that is nothing new. What is new now is that it is not only that ‘we lie’, but we also have lost a total sense of judgement as well. I wish those 4000 Jews that were missing from work would have called the authorities to prevent all what happened.

In a nutshell, not just blatant lies, but having heads stuck deep inside a pig’s behind. Must be pretty dark in there.

I guess I called the “darkness” mind boggling. What else can you say when 74% of Kuwaitis find Osama a hero?


http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_62500,00050004.htm
Kuwait poll shows 74 percent view bin Laden as hero
Agence France-Presse
Kuwait City, September 10


Similar to why 90% of Americans find G. Bush a hero!

It works both ways.

Some people will remember Sept 11th, whilst some will celebrate and some will mourn.

How many times do you hear about the Muslims that died on the date.

None.

How about remembering the 500,000 or so innocents that have died in Iraq, due to the sanctions which can be argued was a more calculated and long term impact rather than the swift plane hits.

Something to think about!

Nevertheless, I will be carrying on with my daily routines as normal!!

Re: Remembering September, the 11th.

JUST AS MANY MUSLIMS CONFUSE CULTURAL IDENTITY WITH THE SPIRITUAL & THE RELIGION ITSELF YOU MY FRIEND STOP BRINGING ISLAM INTO 9-11.

IF YOU DO THENWERE THE VICTIMS CHRISTIANS ?WERE THE TARGET CRUSADERS?

MOREOVER THE BATTLE AGAINST CRUSADER ENDED WITH SALAUDDIN AYUBI AVENGING THE DEFEAT & IN RETURN WINNING CHRISTIAN RESPECT BY MAGNANIMITY ,GENEROSITY & FORGIVENESS.

BUT HERE MY FRIEND OSAMA IS NOT HEAD OF MUSLIM EMPIRE NOR DOES HE RESPRESENT 1.4BILLION

ITS HARD ENUFF EXPLAINING TO AMERICANS DONT MISTAKE US WITH THE HIJACKERS HERE YOU ARE INCORPORATING THEE FALSE BELIEFS & ENDORSING THERE FAULTY ASSOCIATION

AS A MUSLIM I HAD NEVER HEARD OF OSAMA NEITHER UPO TO DAY WHAT HIS RELIGOUS MESSAGE IS .HE MIGHT HAVE A POLITICAL ONE .LET THE FBI CIA & OPENTAGON FIGURE HIM OUT & DEAL WITH HIM .THEY KNOW MORE & BETTER THAN US.

AS A 3RD PARTY I JUST SEE 9-11 AS ANOTHER ATTACK ON AMERICA AFTER PEARL HARBOR

I DONT THINK JAPNESE EVER FELT GUILTY FOR THAT OR ENDORSED THE FACT THAT THE BOMBERS LOOKED LIKE THEM ..SO WHAT ?:rocket: LOOKS ARE DECEIVING :dixsi: HOW MANY MORE YEARS WILL IT TAKE AMERICANS TO LEARN THAT ?:confused:

A day of remembrance has been called for those who died in the September 11th 2001 attacks and will be marked by a minutes silence. It is clear from this that the Western Capitalist states only remember the deaths of their own citizens whilst they ignore the hundreds of thousands killed by their hands. Indeed, it seems they have even colonised human sympathy.

Who will remember the 200,000 people killed by America when it dropped Nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945? Who will remember the 200,000 people killed in 1991 during the 'Desert' Storm' campaign spearheaded by the US against Iraq? Who will remember the innocent civilians bombed in Afghanistan? Who will remember the tens of thousands killed by US corporate greed in Bhopal? Who will stand silent for the thousands of babies that have died at the hands of America in Iraq?

If we were to stand in silence for all the victims of Capitalism then we would never sit down again!

Muslims have a responsibility not to blindly follow the practices of the Capitalist West but rather to be at the forefront of exposing the contradictions of the Capitalist ideology and its colonialist worldview.

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I guess I called the "darkness" mind boggling. What else can you say when 74% of Kuwaitis find Osama a hero?

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i found it something even more dreading that killers like sharon and bush, responsible for the murder of millions of muslims r regarded as heroes....

i find it even more disturbing that without any proof the whole nation of afghanistan had been bombed by holding one man responsible, and people call the guilty of this act "Fighter for PEace and Justice"....

and i am not talking about 74%, i am talking about a 100% here....

atleast us muslims shud see the difference and the double standards shown by these people whi have fallen from levels of humanity....

The year after: The plot thins, but US spins

CHIDANAND RAJGHATTA

TIMES NEWS NETWORK TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 10, 2002 11:55:05 PM ]

WASHINGTON: One year to the day after the most catastrophic terrorist attack in history, the United States is slowly unravelling the plot that motivated 19 young men, some of them with fine college degrees, to hijack four jetliners and use them as missiles to kill 3000 people.

This much has emerged in the year since the tragedy: The young men were not seminary-trained extremists or fire-breathing fanatics in the sense it is usually understood. Some of them were western educated. They seemed to have developed a quiet and extreme hatred of US policies, especially in the Middle East, that culminated in their becoming mega suicide bombers.

Some of the key leaders of the group may also have met Osama Bin Laden much later in their journey of hatred. US intelligence agencies now put the date of chief hijacker Mohammed Atta’s journey to Afghanistan via Karachi to meet Bin Laden at sometime in November 1999, many months and even years after he decided to kill himself to hurt America.

Bin Laden evidently gave his blessings and promised support for the mission. But he may not have known the finer details. In some ways, plot resembles the story of the assassination of Rajiv Gandhi, an operation handed down to a Tamil extremist cell that may have been subsequently and deliberately disassociated from the parent body months and even years before act.

What has also become clear in the year since the staggering attack is that there were bits and pieces of intelligence, trails, and warnings, that, had they been read together by US agencies, could have foretold them of the impending strike.

Some of the indications come from the shadowy figure of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who is now described a key mastermind behind the attack, and who, according to US accounts, is still on the lam in Pakistan. Khalid is said to be the uncle of Ramzi Yousef, the first who tried to blow up the World Trade Center in 1993.

According to accounts that followed Ramzi Yousef’s arrest in Pakistan in 1995, he had planned to hijack up to a dozen American airliners simultaneously and crash them over the Pacific.

Another plan found on his computer revealed thoughts of hijacking a plane in the US and crashing it into the Central Intelligence Agency headquarters, where another Pakistani national named Mir Aimal Kansi shot and killed two CIA employees in an ambush outside the main gates before fleeing to Karachi.

Both Kansi and Ramzi Yousef were subsequently apprehended by the civilian governments in Pakistan and extradited to the US.

When Yousef was being transferred into Manhattan in a helicopter for his trial, an agent, who accompanied him, is said to have taken off his blindfold to show him the World Trade Center which he tried to bring down was still standing.

Ramzi Yousef is believed to have told him it wouldn’t be – the next time.

Uncle Khalid then seems to have worked to bring his plans to fruition, incorporating elements of Ramzi’s two earlier plans.

There were other such clues. As the al-Qaeda team plotted the gigantic attack in Hamburg, Germany, Marwan al-Shehri, one of the main hijackers who crashed his plane into WTC II, bragged to people he interacted with that the buildings would come down, many people would be killed, and they would then remember him.

In recent days, there have also been reports that the US administration was warned of an impending attack by the Taliban’s then foreign minister, Wakil Ahmed Muttawakil.

Even in the months before the 9/11 attack, the state department’s South Asia bureau kept a line of communication open with the Taliban and Muttawakil apparently sent word of a big al-Qaeda plot brewing, going as far as saying that the "guests (Bin Laden and al-Qaeda) were going to bring havoc on the guest house(Taliban’s Afghanistan).

But administration officials failed to take the warning seriously. “There was a lot of talk then that Muttawakil had fallen out of favour, that he was under house arrest himself. At other times, there were reports that Bin Laden himself was under house arrest. There was no specific information about the attack,” one official explained.

However, the one thing that has become abundantly clear over the past year is that epicentre of the terrorism was the badlands of Afghanistan and Pakistan, and the gateway to this bog was Karachi.

Every single major terrorist who has been identified, from Ramzi Yousef to shoebomber Richard Reid, invariably wended his way to this port city before disappearing to the badlands in search of training and inspiration. For that reason alone, access to and exit from Karachi is now totally regulated by US authorities.

But even as the plot thins, the Bush administration has been imparting new spin on terrorism. Despite the evident trail, US officials, on the eve of the first anniversary of the attack, have been strenuously attempting to link the 9/11 catastrophe to Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.

Amid general scepticism, US officials have maintained that the chief hijacker Mohammed Atta met an Iraqi intelligence agent in Prague shortly before 9/11. Even more seriously, one senior administration official has claimed Atta met with the Iraqi despot himself.

Dispassionate analysts are suggesting that the Bush administration is trying to superimpose Saddam Hussein over Osama Bin Laden to cover up the US failure to ascertain the fate of – let alone capture or kill – the man believed to be the mastermind of 9/11.

In a scathing comment titled “Our Insane Focus on Iraq” Washington Post’s William Raspberry handed one to the administration, observing, “Wouldn’t any clinician worth her salt observe that Hussein has become immensely bigger and more menacing precisely as Osama Bin Laden has become less available?”

Irrespective of the finale of the administration’s attempt at what is being called “transference,” 9/11 has now certifiably become a milestone in modern history, like the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand or the bombing of Pearl Harbour.

For some, it is the beginning of World War Three, an undeclared war against the axis of terrorism that, regardless of what is officially claimed, goes beyond the countries named by President Bush as the axis of evil.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?artid=21796778

Gymnasophyst has made a very interesting point actually.

But don't I wish that it * was* my call to or not to associate Islam and Muslims and Pakistan (my beloved homeland) or any other muslim country for that matter ...with this incidence.

BUT IT WASN'T!!!!!!

It was the declaration by AlQaeda themselves that they conetmplated it ...they kept silent just to see how Pakistanis react and then a letter from OBL arrives in Pakistan declaring that they wouldn't think of doing such a horrendous thing..... but in reality .... as soon as musharraf starts cracking down on them.. Alqaeda starts bombings in Karachi.....So far they have actually killed around seventy innocents in Pakistan!!! This is what you get for chosing to stay blind!!!

I am not sure what religion OBL follows.... but we all know that his follwership is not in his name but in the name of Islam. I have a cousin who was dying to go to afghanistan to learn all that ..... and you probably have no idea what learning in such seclusion can do to a healthy young mind.

And last of all.... i am not worried what US makes of people saying such things as this!!!

Clubber

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Who will remember the 200,000 people killed in 1991 during the 'Desert' Storm' campaign spearheaded by the US against Iraq? Who will remember the innocent civilians bombed in Afghanistan? Who will remember the tens of thousands killed by US corporate greed in Bhopal? Who will stand silent for the thousands of babies that have died at the hands of America in Iraq?
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My point exactly.... !! Where was the world's Muslim community when all this was happening. Dear... We have strengthened our enemies by chosing to stay weak... were it through chosing bad leaders or letting the wrong people take care of our real strength which was Faith.... we let them devide and redevide us till we lost track of who we should follow.

And that is what we get when we lose the message of Allah and his Prophet (peace be upon him).

You know I really am getting sick and tired of hearing all about 9-11, every damn time. I am sick and tired of all the Muslims apologizing all the damn time, why? Why should MUSLIMS apologize for something that they did not do, yeah so what, maybe a Muslim did do it, so what, it was he not us? And you never hear the rest of the world apologize for doing damage to other countries. I never hear the US apologize for what they did in Japan, I never hear the US apologize for what they did to Iraq, I never hear the US apologize for what they did to Afghanistan, and etc...... I never heard the UK apologize for all the blood bath and massacres they have done to the Arab world and beyond, I never heard Italy apologize for what they did to Libya, I never heard France apologize for what they did to Algeria, Lebanon and etc and the list goes on and on...............SO WHY SHOULD WE (MUSLIMS) APOLOGIZE??

People die everywhere all around the world, things happen all around the world, so why should we stop and remember what happen to the US ONLY!!

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*Originally posted by Majestic: *
You know I really am getting sick and tired of hearing all about 9-11, every damn time. I am sick and tired of all the Muslims apologizing all the damn time, why? Why should MUSLIMS apologize for something that they did not do, yeah so what, maybe a Muslim did do it, so what, it was he not us? And you never hear the rest of the world apologize for doing damage to other countries. I never hear the US apologize for what they did in Japan, I never hear the US apologize for what they did to Iraq, I never hear the US apologize for what they did to Afghanistan, and etc...... I never heard the UK apologize for all the blood bath and massacres they have done to the Arab world and beyond, I never heard Italy apologize for what they did to Libya, I never heard France apologize for what they did to Algeria, Lebanon and etc and the list goes on and on...............SO WHY SHOULD WE (MUSLIMS) APOLOGIZE??

People die everywhere all around the world, things happen all around the world, so why should we stop and remember what happen to the US ONLY!!
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You are in US. If you are an american then I hope you do feel the grief of your fellow citizens. These were families destroyed of absolutely innocent civilians in the name of an ideology that tried its best to wrap itself up in Islam. If you are not an american, no one is asking you to grieve. No one is making you stay. That has been the problem. Most of last year, the news and polling of nearly all the muslim countries showed that the sympathies were for the hero Osama, and that US got what it deserved. Very very few voices were raised to even express sympathy. Even now in Pakistan, there is a vocal and violent minority that is willing to sacrifice the well fare of Pakistan for some imaginary Pan Islamic Khalifa. So I do not know which apologies are you talking about?