Religious Tolerance (Shias and Sunnis)

[khoji]

Re: Religious Tolerance (Shias and Sunnis)

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[bao_bihari]

Re: Religious Tolerance (Shias and Sunnis)

@khoji

My question is that if bao bihari is not a sectarian bigot then why is he concerned more about TREATMENT of a religious minority in some other country, when a religious majority is getting KILLED in our own country?

What has more significance?

MODS-Do we are allowed to call kharijis to each other at this forum? and inciting/justifying death of your opponents?

@khoji

I still say that shias do not call any caliph kafir. Shias say that Ali gave sincere advices to all caliphs in the larger interet of Islam. He wouldn’t have done it if he considered them kafir.

You left the decision to be made by readers. Which is good thing. Because the readers know that extremists like you are present everywhere and in every religion, including shias. But using words of few to make sweeping generalization against millions of people is false.

We all know that khawarij can never be satisifed. So it is pointless to talk sense to them. But for those who have doubts, here is a reply from a shia source.

Do the Shia consider Abu Bakr and Umar as kafirs?

Be couragious to accept this khoji. It is good that you dont believe in this crap, nice for you, but dont talk as authority on shiaism.

i am purposefully quoting urdu books, else you will start commenting on translation mistakes waghaira.

Do you know the status of Mullah baqi majlisi in front of khomenie?

Now my question which continues to be overlooked is: if khawarij say that they are against Shias for calling caliphs kafir then why do they kill Sunnis?

i will answer this once we settle the claim that you made. This is just to save bandwidth and time of readers and not to derail the topic at hand.

@khoji

Anyone part of a violent khariji organization deserves to be punished for inciting murder of innocent Muslims.
This punishment should come from the courts but if courts are derelicting their duties in protecting the lives of innocent people then these people will take up arms and punish those responsible for killing Muslims.

Sipahe Sahaba, Taliban and their affiliates kill innocent people, and therefore their extremist khariji members deserve punishment.

Oh and are we allowed to comment like this? any one who kills another human being is wrong according to quran. I am staunch opponent of ahmediyat but still would fight with any one who tries to justify killing of an ahmedi, that is what our deen teaches us.

Please, i request it is better to discuss this in a civil manner, jazbat honay ki zaroorat nahi

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[bao_bihari]

Re: Religious Tolerance (Shias and Sunnis)

Just for moderators to see, is this not personal attack?

[khoji]

Re: Religious Tolerance (Shias and Sunnis)

@bao_bihari

Just for moderators to see, is this not personal attack?

Well, I did not call you sectarian bigot here. I said IF you are not a sectarian bigot ...

You can just reply to it as to why picking up conditions in one particular foreign country is more important to you then even worse conditions in our own country.

So let's see your reply.

[khoji]

Re: Religious Tolerance (Shias and Sunnis)

@bao_bihari

MODS-Do we are allowed to call kharijis to each other at this forum? and inciting/justifying death of your opponents?

There is a clear reason why the word khariji is used for a certain cult in Pakistan. It is this cult which kills MAJORITY Muslims (both shias and sunnis) on the basis that they are kafir.
Why do you take offense at that personally?

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Be couragious to accept this khoji. It is good that you dont believe in this crap, nice for you, but dont talk as authority on shiaism.
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All right. So only YOU have the right to talk as authority on it?! lol.

And you were trying to prove that shias call the caliphs kafir. But while you posted a lot of extremist views from shia mullahs, I did not see the use of word 'kafir' in them.
You obviously think that you reserve the right to make your own interpretations as well. :)

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i will answer this once we settle the claim that you made.
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I not only made this claim but also proved it with a simple explanation, and also quoted from some shia website which answered the question directly.

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Oh and are we allowed to comment like this? any one who kills another human being is wrong according to quran. I am staunch opponent of ahmediyat but still would fight with any one who tries to justify killing of an ahmedi, that is what our deen teaches us.
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Another half truth. Is this a deliberate lie?
You waste so much time in raising hatred against some Muslims then you should know fairly well that Quran only calls it a sin if that human being killed was INNOCENT.

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Please, i request it is better to discuss this in a civil manner, jazbat honay ki zaroorat nahi :D
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Oh really? You think there is no reason for being jazbaati, while you defend murderers of innocent people?

[Ali_Syed]

Re: Religious Tolerance (Shias and Sunnis)

[note]thread closed, as it has deviated from its original topic. [/note]