religious impact on military - question

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Something is called Reham in Islam, I've given the Islamic perspective based on the concept that a muslim protects another muslim's life, wealth and dignity.

Yes this is bullwash Fraudia in present days.

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picochio, you are saying that US army will defect just for “freedom, democracy” values???

Woww!! I guess why didn’t they defect in vietnam where the “commie” [bad] were fighting for their country’s freedom [a good value] don’t you think? :omg:

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Yes, Muslims today kill, segregate and suppress other Mulsims to the point of nefariousness. So yes, I decry that. Unity is great, but not at the expense of treating those outside of your group with any less respect or as not being a prospect for a friend.

American black on black violence is out of control. It's a travesty and it needs to stop. But the reason for it is not becuase of a lack of black unity. It is because of many underlying social issues. The solution isn't to say that blacks need more unity amongst themselves and to exclude whites as friends.

It would be the height of ignorance for a black man to say he would treat a white man trying to rob him any different than a black man. That he would try his hardest to not kill the black intruder but whitey is fair game to blow his head off.

Anyone of any race or religion should protect another's life, wealth and dignity without regard to their race or religion.

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Hareem, pico, seminole - I am not certain about your respective responses. Mine is a rather specific and contectual question.

Do you agree with those in paki army that refuse to fight against taleban or others in provinces - because they are muslim.

The context is simply the recent episodes of soldiers joining the enemy there.

(We'll come to american soldiers, black on black violence etc later, here or in another thread). Let's zone in a bit first on pakistan)

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No

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I’m saying that the average foot soldier does think that. I do think the average American soldier has developed a warrior tradition that incorporates those values as somthing sacred. The elite will have their own agendas, no doubt.

As for Vietnam, that was propagandized as a war against an evil regime which was demonstrably “un-free”. Liberation (not to mention containment of an expansionist threat) was the theme, not occupation.

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As a general principle, I think it's a good and noble idea that Muslims not take up arms against each other, for whatever reason.

Now if that were an attitude reciprocated by the Talibs, then yes. But it's clearly not a motivating factor here on either side.

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Is that in compliance with the ideal Hareem pointed out? The bottom line is, there's nothing at all wrong with the ideal.

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So yes, I decry that. Unity is great, but not at the expense of treating those outside of your group with any less respect or as not being a prospect for a friend.

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Oh don't be so hypersensitive. Every nation state on earth espouses the same values, but it's all hunky dory when they do it. Double standard.

It would be the height of ignorance for a black man to say he would treat a white man trying to rob him any different than a black man. That he would try his hardest to not kill the black intruder but whitey is fair game to blow his head off.

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Anyone of any race or religion should protect another's life, wealth and dignity without regard to their race or religion.
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One needs to clean their own backyard before they even think about helping others. Decrying Muslim-on-Muslim violence, or inter-communal violence is a good start.

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It didn't stop the Taliban from slaughtering Shi'as in Afghanistan, now did it?

It doesn't stop al-Qaeda in Iraq from slaughtering Sunnis AND Shi'as in the country on a regular basis.

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I meant Islamic state in particular. So there are cases where Muslim-on-Muslim violence is justified if not mandated.

When it takes a factional flavor, then we need to step back and dissociate ourselves from it.

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So what' your point? Drop it as an ideal? Fine. Let's kill everyone in equal messure then. Nice and fair, right?

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pinochio, what stances is it "ok" or "mandated" to kill other muslims?

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All I can say is this: when the concerned citizenry of pakistan cannot unequivocally condemn any desertion and disobenience by its soldiers and start using conditions and ipsos and provisos, it is clear that the cancer of religiouso has entrenched deep.wonder what the price pakistan has to be pay to redeem from this

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When the average secularist can accept the betrayal of the writ of the state by the leadership of the armed forces, there really there is no basis for a discussion here with such types.

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A Muslim state has no right to kill a murderer? Just a small example...

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you guys do realize that when the soldiers start questioning and second guessing their oders, it is the beginning of the end of that army?

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And what is it when the generals start questioning and second guessing the constitutional order?

What is it when the national army, becomes a poltical party unto itself?

Do note that these questions have little to do with Mushy's role within the so-called "war on terror".

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Aren’t these suicide bombers “murderers”???

You fell into your own trap :stuck_out_tongue: Nice job :hehe:

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Yes, they are. I don't follow your point.

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Then why do you oppose it pinochio?