Im not sure what your rear has to do with the topic, but ok.
touche again...teggy might like it :D
Im not sure how you're extrapolating the next 500 out of the previous 60. Why not 80? I can cite two countries that were previously part of India that are now viable nations or broken away from India. 3 if you include azad kashmir, 4 if you include chinese administered tibet.
chinese administerd tibet part of india :)
this was the best part of the post...
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Dude 60 years back india was not a sovereign republic and so people like jinnah got away with the two nation theory...
if u think azad kashmir has parted away...then how do u explain accession of hyderabad,junnagarh and goa...india has only expanded terrotories but not the other way...
chinese administerd tibet part of india :)
this was the best part of the post...
do you mean to suggest India did not lose territory in the Indo-China war?
inshallah.
coming to the topic, i second those who said that events like these do vindicate why the two nation theory was spot on.
for those citing Bangladesh, its not as if the bangalies decided to merge back with India. Even when seperating on the basis of being a seperate cultural/racial entity from west pakistanies, nobody said hey lets go back to akhand bharat, so thats hardly a refutation of the partition.
at best you could say that history shows the British should've drawn more lines, not less.
That was not what Jinnah envisaged was it. Why are there muslims in India then. Take them to your pak land please, if they are willing to come.:)
do you mean to suggest India did not lose territory in the Indo-China war?
There wasnt a revolt, mainly military action. Where there was revolts we quenched them.
That was not what Jinnah envisaged was it. Why are there muslims in India then. Take them to your pak land please, if they are willing to come.:)
social class and ability to move was a big factor during partition in migration. a large number of those who could afford to move, did. This is why there are so many people from states without much violence, such as UP, in Pakistan. This doesnt mean that all of those who were left behind sided with India. Most of my relatives from that generation and the one after it continue to support Pakistan, although to a lesser extent the one after it.
To this day there are concerns about why parts of India celebrates when Pakistan wins cricket matches in Indian newspapers.
As for taking in those who want to move, I agree with you. We should take in those who ideologically consider themselves to be Pakistanies, such as the large number in Bangladesh, and other Muslims in India. Unfortunately the treatment of Pakistan in later years (post 70s) of these people has been racist.
There wasnt a revolt, mainly military action. Where there was revolts we quenched them.
So "no one was able to divide India" means no one divided india through revolts not military action or when Jinnah got it through peaceful means in British times? Sorry it sounded much more bombastic in its original phrasing.
Yes India has a stellar record in quenching revolts or independence movements... maybe not stellar but brutal definitely. Still 60 years isnt a very long time, and the British managed to quech quite a few revolts in their time too, for much longer. Dont read too much into it.
social class and ability to move was a big factor during partition in migration. a large number of those who could afford to move, did. This is why there are so many people from states without much violence, such as UP, in Pakistan. This doesnt mean that all of those who were left behind sided with India. Most of my relatives from that generation and the one after it continue to support Pakistan, although to a lesser extent the one after it.
If Jinnah had truly believed in what he was preaching then he would have made sure no muslims remained in India. It was his prerogative that division was envisaged.
They are fools and marginalized part of the society.
touche.. but ravage, until India remain a secular democratic republic your dream would not be fruitful. british was neither.
can you find me any place where he said that was his goal? although he/Pakistan did give citizenship to anyone who made the move whether fleeing violence or not.
whether they decided to uproot from friends, their jobs and families to go to a country they never saw depended on strongly invested they were in their political views versus their personal circumstances.
so you say, lets not make judgement calls. The perception of Muslims supporting India is wider than you think, especially in times of tension with Pakistan, even with Indian Muslims who want to be loyal to India:
what does a secular democratic republic have to do with it? everywhere where “revolts” were “quenched” (or are being quenched) that was hardly through democratic means, rather suppression, the same means that the British used.
pakistan was also meant for bangla's and baluchi's... one half seperated not so long past and the other half fighting to get seperated...
so much for jinnah's long sightedness...
sorry to spoil the party..the situation is very much under control instead focus on baltistan where sunni-shia violence killed hundreds in the recent past..
Answering ur comment on Balochistan, Can u tell me how many SARDARS are living below poverty line.. or let me raise the standard, how many sardar is living below the average standard ( u can measure it by the number of their private army and vehicles they have).
The Problem is, Govt. just fed these Sardars and never looked after the real population of the province.. now the same SARDARS are exploiting it, ofcourse with the support of Indian bases setup on Afghan border ( which is one of the reason the puppet karzai oppose the decision of barb wiring the border.)
Now please do not cry about this and that, straight answer will be helpful..
^^ west bengal should be given to bangladesh
we must assist our bengali brotehers in retaking this area
Yes along with Kashimiries,
plus we shuold also re-arm the Sikh in Punjab and provide somekind of supprt to rebels in Assam, this will force Indian agencies to take care of their own backyard and not mess others affairs.
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^^touch infinity's rear
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The main issue seem to be of the immigrants pouring into India. So, it leaves two options for Indian Govt.
a. deport them
or
b. grant them assylum/citizenship/resident status and allow them to make a living in India
But to suggest imprisoning them and torturing them or even taking up arms to fight (bengali) communities, is going to create an unmanageable mess. The gujrat incident did not look pretty for India at all, lets hope this is not another one of those in the making.
But to suggest imprisoning them and torturing them or even taking up arms to fight (bengali) communities, is going to create an unmanageable mess. The gujrat incident did not look pretty for India at all, lets hope this is not another one of those in the making.
Imprisoning and torturing immigrants should be illegal and denying them basic human rights should be punishable by law every where in the world.
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They should be sent back ASAP. We dont need any illegal immigrant in our country.
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god bless the bangladeshies. Muslims should welcome and provide shelter to them, the more numerous they are the stronger they will be against the persistent threat of violence to them.
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ya you take them in ur country and really with the above post your mindset is reflected. No matter how much ppl are educated some of them will have this sort of mentality.
So what was his goal?
Creation of a muslim majority country was his aim. He succeeded and his brothers failed him. When will you guys learn that religion cannot guarantee uniformity and nationhood.
](BBC NEWS | South Asia | India's Muslims feel backlash)
Those who suspect loyal muslims ( majority of them are) are fools themselves and would be marginalized as well.
You need to use limited force to suppress the hardcore elements of the group, and then allow for pacification in terms of power sharing to bring them to the main stream political system and make them part of India.
India as a nation cannot be classified as a single entity having a uniform religious and cultural population. Each and every group contribute to the nation. When there was the punjab problem it was the Punjabi’s themselves who fought against the separatist with active help from other part of India. But not one single group benefited or exploited any other group. Whenever such tendency occur then democracy allows for correction.
They should be sent back ASAP. We dont need any illegal immigrant in our country.
You and what Army?
Already there are over 50 Million Illegal Bengalis in India and they keep on coming
Bangladesh has one of the highest birthrates in the world
Your entire West Bengal province will be over run by Bengalis and how are you gonna tell them apart
They are all Bengalis :)
And Besides, in India the Muslim population is growing at a much higher pace than the Hindu population....
With illegal Bengalis and high birthrates of Muslims, by 2050 or so, India will be a muslim majority nation
Its probably around that time, that the Hindu Extremists start Gujrat type riots to instigate war and get the muslims to flee into Pakistan and Bangladesh.
But unfortunately for you guys, that will not happen.
Just like the Soviet Union or the Balkans, India will disintegrate.
Enjoy this while it lasts
You and what Army?
Already there are over 50 Million Illegal Bengalis in India and they keep on coming
Bangladesh has one of the highest birthrates in the world
Your entire West Bengal province will be over run by Bengalis and how are you gonna tell them apart
They are all Bengalis :)
And Besides, in India the Muslim population is growing at a much higher pace than the Hindu population....
With illegal Bengalis and high birthrates of Muslims, by 2050 or so, India will be a muslim majority nation
Its probably around that time, that the Hindu Extremists start Gujrat type riots to instigate war and get the muslims to flee into Pakistan and Bangladesh.
But unfortunately for you guys, that will not happen.
Just like the Soviet Union or the Balkans, India will disintegrate.
Enjoy this while it lasts
Dont worry dude..we know how to handle scums.