So for those who take religion seriously, do we all agree that Islam puts stress on woman to stay at home and to go out only IF and when its a necessity?
Putting that definition into practice , what includes being a necessity? Don’t you think a healthy individual needs a healthy amount of interaction with the outside world ? I mean we learn from our environment.
My question here is why would religion create such a clause when its not possible or if those who practice it , how can you or how do u?
Since necessity is not defined in Islam to my knowledge and is a subjective intrepertation it allows for a lot of wiggle room. A woman going to the beauty parlour once a week can be deemed a necessity as Islam focuses on cleanliness and that women should look good for their husbands.
The notion should be to balance life to be healthy and normal. Not constrict it by making up crazy religious reasons.
Yes, but the way that it was practiced in 600 AD was in precisely a manner that we would call "crazy religious". You either follow it as it was, or admit that it's outdated and that you advocate a more liberal interpretation.
no my friend islam does not say stay in homes and spend your whole life between the four walls until utter necessary
seems to me you got your information from a mullah rather than reading a book
the good point to start would be to correct your first question imo
So for those who take religion seriously, do we all agree that Islam puts stress on woman to stay at home and to go out only IF and when its a necessity?
Putting that definition into practice , what includes being a necessity? Don't you think a healthy individual needs a healthy amount of interaction with the outside world ? I mean we learn from our environment.
My question here is why would religion create such a clause when its not possible or if those who practice it , how can you or how do u?
the good point to start would be to correct your first question imo
The whole point of asking is to look for answer. How about you begin referring to the authentic info because i seem to be living in ignorance.?
Rolla, I don't think Islam stresses women be confined to their homes, until a necessity. It's what we define as necessity? Since Islamically a women has the right to education, work, freedom to be her own person; all that leads to a lot of of social interaction.
Yes, but the way that it was practiced in 600 AD was in precisely a manner that we would call "crazy religious". You either follow it as it was, or admit that it's outdated and that you advocate a more liberal interpretation.
Only one problem with that, brother:
Liberal = heretic.
Re-interpretation = Satan's hobby.
Rational thought processes = Sign of a "western" mind that's obstinate, rebellious, and ripe for taming.
Who needs Ijtihad when you can flirt with his better-looking cousin, Jihad?
Yes, but the way that it was practiced in 600 AD was in precisely a manner that we would call "crazy religious". You either follow it as it was, or admit that it's outdated and that you advocate a more liberal interpretation.
I am sorry you and I must be reading different versions of the Quran. Because my version doesn't provide dates for validity.
So for those who take religion seriously, do we all agree that Islam puts stress on woman to stay at home and to go out only IF and when its a necessity?
Putting that definition into practice , what includes being a necessity? Don't you think a healthy individual needs a healthy amount of interaction with the outside world ? I mean we learn from our environment.
My question here is why would religion create such a clause when its not possible or if those who practice it , how can you or how do u?
Kindly leave this thread here
My perspective is that by asking women to mainly stay at home, more and greater responsibility is being put on the man's shoulder. So if you look at it that way, it isn't really opression...not that you said that rolla. So does a healthy indiviual need interaction with the outside world? I know I do. But many women I know are very happy being home. They don't know any better, and care less. I got a taste of it.
My perspective is that by asking women to mainly stay at home, more and greater responsibility is being put on the man's shoulder. So if you look at it that way, it isn't really opression...not that you said that rolla. So does a healthy indiviual need interaction with the outside world? I know I do. But many women I know are very happy being home. They don't know any better, and care less. I got a taste of it.
kitna khayal kia hy Allah ny aurat ke rukhwali aur masoomiat ka :)
So for those who take religion seriously, do we all agree that Islam puts stress on woman to stay at home and to go out only IF and when its a necessity?
Putting that definition into practice , what includes being a necessity? Don't you think a healthy individual needs a healthy amount of interaction with the outside world ? I mean we learn from our environment.
My question here is why would religion create such a clause when its not possible or if those who practice it , how can you or how do u?
Kindly leave this thread here
According to my interpretation, yes I think ideal followers of Islam should go out only IF and when it's a necessity. Frankly, I don't think most activities we do for pleasure, interest or airing our mind, like going out for a movie, window shopping on sales days, studying medicine (and therefore dealing with looking at and handling awrah of the opposite sex), are "necessary."
I can't not do all that. A lifestyle like that would suffocate me. So, I don't restrict myself. But I also don't rely on excuses to make myself feel better about my place as a Muslim.
I'm doing what I'm doing as long as I find it morally and ethically acceptable without having the need to use rationalization as a crutch.
My question here is why would religion create such a clause when its not possible? I don't know pal.
According to my interpretation, yes I think ideal followers of Islam should go out only IF and when it's a necessity. Frankly, I don't think most activities we do for pleasure, interest or airing our mind, like going out for a movie, window shopping on sales days, studying medicine (and therefore dealing with looking at and handling awrah of the opposite sex), are "necessary."
I can't not do all that. A lifestyle like that would suffocate me. So, I don't restrict myself. But I also don't rely on excuses to make myself feel better about my place as a Muslim.
I'm doing what I'm doing as long as I find it morally and ethically acceptable without having the need to use rationalization as a crutch.
My question here is why would religion create such a clause when its not possible? I don't know pal.
No offense intended but have you every spent 24 hours indoors? Just do this. Spend 24 hours inside the house. Don't step foot outside. Tell me how you feel after those 24 hours.
Most of what we do is a necessity. Humans are not solitary creatures that need to be confined. Rather we are social creatures that require freedom of movement and expression. A majority of what we do is nature. A walk outside is natural. It doesn't feel like that because most of you have not been placed in a position where you are stuck for 16 hours out of the day behind 4 walls.
The same with communication, interaction and socializing. These are all essential for human sanity.
No offense intended but have you every spent 24 hours indoors? Just do this. Spend 24 hours inside the house. Don't step foot outside. Tell me how you feel after those 24 hours.
Most of what we do is a necessity. Humans are not solitary creatures that need to be confined. Rather we are social creatures that require freedom of movement and expression. A majority of what we do is nature. A walk outside is natural. It doesn't feel like that because most of you have not been placed in a position where you are stuck for 16 hours out of the day behind 4 walls.
The same with communication, interaction and socializing. These are all essential for human sanity.
Sensible arguments don't offend me.
And certainly I'm not referring to any extreme. I'm not talking about sitting at home 24/7 and let's say, for example, learning to do your own haircut because it is not a necessity to have someone else do it when you can learn to do it yourself... or talking to your own reflection for social interaction.
So, we are in disagreement on what constitutes necessity. Well...I wonder how many of our current activities the women of the prophet's household would engage in? I wonder if they'd do all that we are now used to and therefore, 'needing' to do had they been living in today's time where movies, malls, and all places which are frequented by non-mahrams had been available for entertainment.
Well according to Hadis the wives did go out and visit other people and they did discuss issues related local politics and disputes. Hazart Khadija ran an business enterprise and managed a few dozen caravans which would have men and women. She also took part in these caravans and thus I am assuming she traveled "internationally".\
Remember religion does not state you can not go out. It states that if you go out you must be appropriately covered. Muslim women went shopping and took part in community events. The wives of the Holy Prophet did all of that.
I would assume none of this would be against the religion correct?
Hazrat Khadija was a business woman and she was well known for that. Hazrat Aisha and all the umm-ul-momineen used to teach children both inside and outside home. Hazrat Aisha had a great role in compilation of all the Hadith and tableegh at the same time.
Could we have better examples than this? Islam has decided roles for women, that is true, but it doesn't give the clause that they shouldnt go or work outside or not acquire education.
So for those who take religion seriously, do we all agree that Islam puts stress on woman to stay at home and to go out only IF and when its a necessity?
my two cents ..
Islam did not out stress on women, it encourages women, which means that if they have a choice between staying at home or going out, pick the former. But that choice can only originate if the man of the house is a responsible person. If he is not responsible enough than woman can do whatever halal things are required to carry on with daily routine.
Hazrat Khadija was a business woman and she was well known for that. Hazrat Aisha and all the umm-ul-momineen used to teach children both inside and outside home. Hazrat Aisha had a great role in compilation of all the Hadith and tableegh at the same time.
Could we have better examples than this? Islam has decided roles for women, that is true, but it doesn't give the clause that they shouldnt go or work outside or not acquire education.
Yes, and also at the same time, these women were responsible wives. You do what you have to.