Religion teaches morality

[ajazali]

Re: Religion teaches morality

@Southie

My comments in ALL CAPS ABOVE. ( sorry I don’t know way to insert comments by breaking up a post)

I have 3 questions for you.

1. Bringing up animals during discussion of homosexuality, in a thinly veiled attempt to link the two - do you consider this moral behavior?

2. would you allow an old friend who turned gay to visit your house and stay few days. And not judge him?

3. since you named Allah as default God, would you accept Guruvayurappa as default God?
   3a) Or Narayana?

This will allow me to gauge your morality. And correlate that with your religiosity.

I hope this post met your standard for rational debate.

1. that is debatable, even if i acted immorally, i went against moral teachings of my religion.

2. I will discuss your behavior with my management.

3. Being a Muslim I believe only Allah is God, and i have been using these two words interchangeably. But at that post I was replying to argument of “Abrahamic religions and other religions”. At the same time if you believe in some other “Gods”, I have no problem at all with you.

[Southie]

Re: Religion teaches morality

@ajazali

1. that is debatable, even if i acted immorally, i went against moral teachings of my religion.

2. I will discuss your behavior with my management.

3. Being a Muslim I believe only Allah is God, and i have been using these two words interchangeably. But at that post I was replying to argument of “Abrahamic religions and other religions”. At the same time if you believe in some other “Gods”, I have no problem at all with you.

What exactly do you mean in reply #2?. The question was simple: if an old friend turned gay, and he wants to visit you (as a friend), would you host him? If he wants to stay a few days, would you let him? And not judge him? In other words, be a good human being?

[Southie]

Re: Religion teaches morality

@ajazali

1. that is debatable, even if i acted immorally, i went against moral teachings of my religion.

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I do not understand this sentence.

On one hand you state you may have acted immorally.

On the other hand, you state you went against moral teachings of your religion. How so?

PS. I am giving you the rational argument you demanded. Your posts are a reflection of you. And your morality.

[Southie]

Re: Religion teaches morality

@ajazali

original premise is, religion is the only and ultimate source of morality be it abrahamic religion or other religion Allah sent upon humanity. .

@ajazali

2. Being a Muslim I believe only Allah is God, and i have been using these two words interchangeably. But at that post I was replying to argument of “Abrahamic religions and other religions”. At the same time if you believe in some other “Gods”, I have no problem at all with you.

You have clearly stated " Abrahamic religion or other religions Allah sent upon humanity". So you were referring to non-Abrahamic religions also that Allah sent upon humanity.

[ajazali]

Re: Religion teaches morality

@Southie

You have clearly stated " Abrahamic religion or other religions Allah sent upon humanity". So you were referring to non-Abrahamic religions also that Allah sent upon humanity.

Yes I did that, so what?
Its part of my belief, 5 Prophets came before Hazrat Ibrahim (A.S.) are mentioned in Holy Quran by names.

[Ghost14]

Re: Religion teaches morality

@ajazali

And i can see, how you are grasping at straw by giving me the examples of Thor and Zeus. you mentioned these religions here, not me. I generally told you most of religions were true, later on corrupted and that is one of the reasons new religions came up further.

Adition:
And there is no proof of people had been believing in Thor’s religion and religion of Thor existed ever.

…

[Southie]

Re: Religion teaches morality

@ajazali

1. that is debatable, even if i acted immorally, i went against moral teachings of my religion.

2. I will discuss your behavior with my management.

3. Being a Muslim I believe only Allah is God, and i have been using these two words interchangeably. But at that post I was replying to argument of “Abrahamic religions and other religions”. At the same time if you believe in some other “Gods”, I have no problem at all with you.

@Southie

You have clearly stated " Abrahamic religion or other religions Allah sent upon humanity". So you were referring to non-Abrahamic religions also that Allah sent upon humanity.

@ajazali

Yes I did that, so what?
Its part of my belief, 5 Prophets came before Hazrat Ibrahim (A.S.) are mentioned in Holy Quran by names.

It is just that I have difficulty understanding what you are saying. So you are saying Allah sent non-Abrahamic religions also upon humanity?

[Southie]

Re: Religion teaches morality

@ajazali

1. that is debatable, even if i acted immorally, i went against moral teachings of my religion.

2. I will discuss your behavior with my management.

3. Being a Muslim I believe only Allah is God, and i have been using these two words interchangeably. But at that post I was replying to argument of “Abrahamic religions and other religions”. At the same time if you believe in some other “Gods”, I have no problem at all with you.

@Southie

I do not understand this sentence.

On one hand you state you may have acted immorally.

On the other hand, you state you went against moral teachings of your religion. How so?

PS. I am giving you the rational argument you demanded. Your posts are a reflection of you. And your morality.

@Southie

What exactly do you mean in reply #2?. The question was simple: if an old friend turned gay, and he wants to visit you (as a friend), would you host him? If he wants to stay a few days, would you let him? And not judge him? In other words, be a good human being?

I had not understood your responses to my questions 1 and 2. I asked for clarification. So could you please answer those questions in simple, easy to understand sentences?

Thank you.

For your convrnience here are the questions from post 77

I have 3 questions for you.

1. Bringing up animals during discussion of homosexuality, in a thinly veiled attempt to link the two - do you consider this moral behavior?

2. would you allow an old friend who turned gay to visit your house and stay few days. And not judge him?

This will allow me to gauge your morality. And correlate that with your religiosity.

[ajazali]

Re: Religion teaches morality

Southie stay on topic. I revised my premise as you could not get other related premises. My personality or religion is not subject to this discussion.
Topic at hand now is, just prove how morality is/was possible without religion?

[Southie]

Re: Religion teaches morality

@ajazali

Southie stay on topic. I revised my premise as you could not get other related premises. My personality or religion is not subject to this discussion.
Topic at hand now is, just prove how morality is/was possible without religion?

I am staying on topic. You defined morality and and asked us if your definition of morality is acceptable. You wanted us to prove that morality is possible without religion. So I am setting out to prove immorality is possible with religion.

Since YOU brought up the connection between religion and morality, the ONLY way for me to prove beyond reasonable doubt is to use YOUR own positions and posts as examples to disprove your hypothesis.

By the way, YOU are the one who also stated Allah is default God. I am absolutely happy to stay away from addressing a specific religion. “I am revising my premise because you could not get other related premises”. What does this sentence even mean? Seriously. State your position in easy to understand language.

My questions remain. The answers to which will help prove my case.

You ask me to “Prove” an opinion. And you wont even answer simple questions. Just answer them. And we move forward. Or you go right ahead conducting this debate with made up rules.

Thank you.

[ajazali]

Re: Religion teaches morality

@Southie

I am staying on topic. You defined morality and and asked us if your definition of morality is acceptable. You wanted us to prove that morality is possible without religion. So I am setting out to prove immorality is possible with religion.

Since YOU brought up the connection between religion and morality, the ONLY way for me to prove beyond reasonable doubt is to use YOUR own positions and posts as examples to disprove your hypothesis.

By the way, YOU are the one who also stated Allah is default God. I am absolutely happy to stay away from addressing a specific religion. “I am revising my premise because you could not get other related premises”. What does this sentence even mean? Seriously. State your position in easy to understand language.

My questions remain. The answers to which will help prove my case.

You ask me to “Prove” an opinion. And you wont even answer simple questions. Just answer them. And we move forward. Or you go right ahead conducting this debate with made up rules.

Thank you.

You aggree that morality is possible with religion?

[Southie]

Re: Religion teaches morality

@ajazali

You aggree that morality is possible with religion?

Of course I do. But my friend, let me remind you - this thread is about " morality is possible ONLY with religion". And I humbly beg to differ with that “premise”.

[ajazali]

Re: Religion teaches morality

@Southie

Of course I do. But my friend, let me remind you - this thread is about " morality is possible ONLY with religion". And I humbly beg to differ with that “premise”.

you may differ.

[Southie]

Re: Religion teaches morality

@ajazali

you may differ.

So may you.

[ajazali]

Re: Religion teaches morality

@lethal_kamikaze

punjabi ka muhavara yaad a giya. 100% fit hy

what came into my mind is “Saadi wari aae tey cugoo bol/ro pya”

aap ko kaun sa yad aya?

well, i was trying to make my position stronger where i can approve the last para of you post earlier.

[Southie]

Re: Religion teaches morality

@ajazali

You aggree that morality is possible with religion?

@Southie

Of course I do. But my friend, let me remind you - this thread is about " morality is possible ONLY with religion". And I humbly beg to differ with that “premise”.

@ajazali

you may differ.

Do you understand the difference between these two sentences

1. morality is possible with religion
2. morality is possible ONLY with religion

[Ghost14]

Re: Religion teaches morality

@Southie

Do you understand the difference between these two sentences

1. morality is possible with religion
2. morality is possible ONLY with religion

Me thinks not.

[ajazali]

Re: Religion teaches morality

@Southie

Do you understand the difference between these two sentences

1. morality is possible with religion
2. morality is possible ONLY with religion

you want the answer or truth?

[muqawwee123]

Re: Religion teaches morality

@Southie

Do you understand the difference between these two sentences

1. morality is possible with religion
2. morality is possible ONLY with religion

I think this is a valid question and should be addressed properly to carry this discussion further. I would go with option (1) and would not go with option (2). Morality is a relative term, which vary from society to society and we need to see cultural and social fabric of a society besides religion to assess its moral values.

[ninja_hattori]

Re: Religion teaches morality

^ I think morality is possible without religion…

and no religion is possible without morality…