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So ur saying racing is haram…???
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lol
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Men never commit evil so fully and joyfuly as when they do it for religious convictions
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yup religion gives one a way to twist things around and make it sound ethical... so much for morality.
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because u can get ‘‘booty’’ ‘captive females and maal e ghaneemat’ after religious holy war…and u can have ‘‘sex’’ without their consent and blame from allah… all known and merciful!!!
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saavan, do you have any other purpose, but to spew hatred against Islam and Muslims? I've been following your posts and I've noticed a strong trend that you love to bash Islam and Muslims. There's hardly anything else that you mention or discuss.
While at it, is there any faith in particular that you profess to?
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Man people have such bad misconceptions. Why is it that people like saavan think that Muslims are only in it just for the "sex" with hoors. Cant these perverted hindus think beyond sex & satisfaction. Its so illogical. Its like giving up this life to have sex in the afterlife, like we cant have legally get married and enjoy our wives here.
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Have you ever heard the song “Imagine” by John Lennon? If not, you should. I think that song pretty much sums it all up. :halo:
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How can religion be a unifying factor? When by definition each religious faith is setting itself in opposition to other belief systems. When Christians proclaim that Christ is God's son, and that it is only possible to know God through faith in Christ, that belief is flying in the face of what muslims believe; and similarly when Muslims proclaim that there is only one god, Allah, and Mohamed his prophet, they are in direct conflict with Christians.
etc etc etc.
The only possible unifying trend is the ABANDONMENT of all religious beliefs and the recognition of the fact that all human beings are essentially the same, and that we need to pull together to save our dying world, clean up the environmental mess we´ve created, and build a new future TOGETHER.
Come on people, surely you have the intelligence and insight to see this!!!!!
Fundamentalist religion - Islam, Christianity, you name it - is a divisive force, a destructive force, a source of much evil and wickedness.
Open your eyes.
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my sister...no need to get angry...u have different point of view..i respect..that..and i expect same from u...
truth is bitter...but i may be wrong...i dont want to hurt anybody.. ...but i am sorry to say...to me religions are number one enemies of humans....it should be personel...whatever u follow..it is ur right..but dont impose the 'shriaha' or any other faith ie christainity, hinduism etc on others...i am not imposing any faith and i dont accept anybody do that...state should be 'secular' ..means respecting all faiths and athiests...unfortunately baba e urdu has written wrong meaninig of secular as 'laadeen' in urdu dictionary..our ignrant maahir e lughaat...but baba e urdu!
as for as my faith is concerend i believe in one God..there are lot of religions but one God....religions are man made...and full of errors ...there r some v.good things in religions..but as a whole 'free of sense and logic' with not right to question anything...can u ask when a man can marry 4, why not women? when women have more 'sex' than men(proved scientifically)....obviously u cant ask....u may get killed..!!!
i again apologise if any of my writings hurt u ...i cant write wrong to please u or any one..i write what is truth to me...ya that is other thing i may be wrong..
so please dont read read my posts if they are hurting for u....may god bless u.
While at it, is there any faith in particular that you profess to?
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prove me wrong...i will accept...from first jihad to today....read religious books...religious leaders...number of their wives..catives..slaves...killing people in the name of allah...bc of following their faith...especially jews,chritains and pagans...i am not blaming u Malik sahb ....i am talking abt religious......
*“Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your hands possess. ” Surah 4:24 *
It is not lawful for you (to marry other) women after this, nor to change them for other wives even though their beauty attracts you, except those (captives or slaves) whom your right hand possesses. And Allah is Ever a Watcher over all things. Surah 33:52
read and think impartially
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the ever-so-impartial saavan, you stated that you believe in One God. What are some books that you have read that have made you believe it to be as such? What are some books or individuals (from past and present) that you refer to for your guidance to the One God?
Also, while we're at it, could you be kind enough to guide me to other posts of yours where your were not bashing Islam or Muslims? Or is this what you're focusing on at the moment?
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Different ideas will always be a source of difference and thats with anything not just religion...
I dont see what the problem is with differences...please explain??
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I totally agree with you Saavan - religions are the source of much wickedness and embracing secular values gives us the best chance of finding common ground as human beings, irrespective of our cultural backgrounds. What does faith in Allah/Jesus/Jehovah/whoever provide except alienation from others who we then begin to see as infidels, outsiders? This "faith " engenders arrogance, alienation, hatred, fear and in the end, death.
Who needs it when we have ingenuity, compassion, humanity!
liberté, egalité, fraternité.
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religion or religions?there is not one,but many and each contracicts the other,it could only have been a dividing factor.Morever there are religions within religions for example,shiah,sunni,protestant,catholic etc.Religions may have had some benefits for some people,for example the arabs were an uncivilized,illiterate race before Islam was spread,Islam did help them civilize a bit.But all in all the negative outcomes of religions like war,violence,hatred far outweigh the benefits.
As human beings evolve,I hope they'll realize that God is a figment of our Imagination and all Holy Books are too full of discrepancies,vagueness,cruelity to be taken as a word of a supreme being.And that religions are not worth believing in because they are causing people to hate eachother and bringing chaos and destruction.Once people realize that it would spell an end to religion and God in the world.
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BUT COMMON SENSE IS NOT THAT COMMON, SIR!
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The three posts above have directly and indirectly said that God and religion are man made concepts. So what I want to know is how and why did these concepts originate?
If God does not exist then why does mankind have a natural disposition to believe in some higher being, I mean where does this notion come from?
It's as if mankind has been "pre-programmed" to believe in God.
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you can replace religion with something else like ideologies, race, nationalism, sexual orientation etc, etc and everything you've said would still apply
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Man is programed by his society. That's why a Muslim country will have 99.5% (or whatever is) births turn out to be Muslims when they grow up.
The notion comes because man doesn't like the unkown. So a religion, meaning of life, afterlife, etc gives him comfort.
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*QUOTE=Sadiyah]the ever-so-impartial saavan, you stated that you believe in One God. What are some books that you have read that have made you believe it to be as such? What are some books or individuals (from past and present) that you refer to for your guidance to the One God? *
dear...
when there were no books people blieved in god or gods..before the islam..the concept of one god, angels, prophet etc was there in bible, torah..or different books...so in our religion nothing is new other then 'jihad'same is in hinduism...there is only one God...small gods are from one God..but they are not equal to God...same 'doot' is called to angels..as yamdoot..in islam..izraeel...angel of death...
which made me to belive ?
it is my feeling/instinct / and experience that...
koi to hai jo nizam e hasti chala raha hai
or i wish to translate poetry..if iam not wrong...of bulleh shah
allah kanoo aseen age huyaseen allah sada jaya
we were bfore the god and god is from us.............
as for as individuals concerned... saints...dewesh..whose religion is humanity..not nafrat or differences...ie 'hum hi bahtreen ummat hain'
*Also, while we're at it, could you be kind enough to guide me to other posts of yours where your were not bashing Islam or Muslims? Or is this what you're focusing on at the moment?
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yes dear u r right
i want to write on other topics too...but i dont have time to really read and reply the responses of my mails...ofcourse religion is favourite topic...i have other interests ..whenever i got time i will write..u wont be that much angry on other topics...i hope so..i am poor person..i dont have internet access..i do manage somehow to write...i had no idea at all that i will get so much 'hate'(nafrat)and criticism.....
anyway i am thankful of all you...for that much 'love' and 'care'
kyon udaas rahte ho sardiyoo ki shaamoo main
is tarah to hota hai is tarah ke kaamoo mai...