Religion segment: is it wahabi?

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Dear GS Directors,

Policies stated and practiced by the religion moderators clearly favors wahabi school of thought and is discriminatory towards other’s such as barelvi, shia etc etc. Take a look at the stated policy statement by its moderator which clealry and blatantly states wahabi stated restrifctions but none for barelvi. Same is also practiced when insults are posted as insinuations of shirk or calling muslims of differing opinions as hindus and they go undetected or edited.

Thread started on naat khawan (Owais Qadri) has been arbitrarily closed simply because it was too much to handle for the moderator who is a self-proclaimed wahabi who hates barelvi’s, shias and sufi traditions.

Dear GS directors, can you please clarify this matter and settle this problem once and for all. If GS as a policy matter is wahabi/salafi and does not want to entertain contrary viewpoint, then please do state it clearly on your website so those who enter do so at their own but with full disclosure.

Enclosed is the policy statement posted on religion segment:

There will now be zero tolerance on flaming, being rude or making insulting generalisations about countries, religion, or other large grouping of people. (hypocritical-clearly prejuidiced)

Any posts containing words such as :

araboobs (insulting to Arabs)
wahabibis (insulting to those who identify themselves as Wahabi)
“cow piss drinkers” (insulting to most Hindus)
Hindians (insulting to Indians)
any insulting derivation on Pakistan’s name
amerikkkans (insulting to Americans)
matoos (insulting to those who look up to and respect maulvis)
etc

will be deleted as soon as they are identified, irrespective of their other content. This forum is a place for intellectual discourse and not a place to vent your frustrations about other groups of people or countries.

Additionally insulting words used for other members like baboo, moron, stupid etc, or any word which is meant as a disrespect to other members, fall under the same category.

Using such words may lead to a warning being issued and in case of repeat offenders, to being banned.

Also I would like to add that the common habit of twisting guppies’ nicknames to make fun of them or insult them, will not longer be tolerated. What does this mean? It means no more referring to me as ar-murghi :mad:. Or to call someone nicknamed SmallMan as Small-Brained-Man

If you notice someone engaging in this kind of behaviour, please PM both the forum mods to alert us and allow us to take corrective action.
*Last edited by armughal : Oct 20th, 2005 at 02:20 PM. *

Also posted by Saadiya:

Added to the list are other personal insults as well as:

-Najdi(s)-another indication of heavy bias favoring wahabis who r generally from nejd

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Re: Religion segment: is it wahabi?

Religion froum does not subscribe to any particular sect or religion. It is open for discussion for all views. The part highlighted by yourself is just an example. Highlighting the wahabi bit is taking it out of context. To say that the mods belond to wahabi sect is simply not true, there are 3 mods and they belong to different school of thoughts.

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Dear Ehsan Bhai,
I will not argue with your viewpoint, but will ask you this question why is it that Barelvi bashing is kosher on the religion forum? They are labelled mushrik with abundance, being a Musliim that wud be called the biggest offence possible. Anything holy to them is compared to hindu practices, with no proof but simple ignorance and hatred, yet no editing. Lets take the Owais Qadri thread for example. When arguments went the other way, your erstwhile mods decided to close it cause it was just the "same thing"? If it was the same thing then wth allow the thread in the first place? My dear big brother, it may not be a explicit policy of gs, but by sheer hidden prejuidices it has become a implicit policy. Trust me, this is not based on personal dislikes, its based on experience and the mere fact that this is not the first time I am registering my complaint should be proof enough.

Either allow fair representation of ideas or put up a sign which says only for wahabis, please.

Other than that, love your cricket forum, some very interesting ppl.

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fartguru, I'd like to clarify a few things.

  1. The term wahabi is not restricted. In fact, people use it all the time. It's the term 'wahabibi', which is a twisted format that has been restricted. I'm not sure if you were around the time things got really bad last year and the policy of no-twisting-terms/names had to be introduced.

  2. I had no idea barelvi is a derogatory term. All along I was under the impression that this is something those who practice certain beliefs and follow certain people refer to themselves as.

  3. Also, like ehsan bhai clarified not all three moderators belong to the same school of thought or beliefs. Yes, you can easily bundle a couple of us and call us wahabi; however, you don't even have the slightest idea of our difference in beliefs.

  4. You complained about people hurling the term 'barelvi', yet you did the same by calling the Religion forum 'wahabi.' How is it that when people use the term 'barelvi' it's offensive, yet you are quick to label others as 'wahabi', which I believe should be equally as offensive.

  5. Keep in mind that the hurling of insults and bashing each others' beliefs goes both ways in Religion forum. If I've seen salafis and the like being rude, then I've also seen other Sunnis being just as rude.

  6. Did you ever contact any of the moderators about the closing of the thread or any other threads or language that bothered you?

  7. What is it that you suggest should be done to curb the problem?

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Saadiya Sister jee,
Thanku for taking the time to respond,

  1. Agreed. Yes, I was not there.

  2. Agreed again, but in my defence that was not my objection. Problem is with the way a particular mindset is allowed complete freedom of expression yet others are freely dubbed involved in "shirk", being a muslim there is nothing more offensive but shirk itself. When mods allow such accusations to fly around w/o any proof then there is substantial evidence of culpability or silent consent.

  3. Agreed, I do not know niether do I proclaim to know, but object to the one sided treatment.

  4. Guilty, then again it was supposed to provoke interest and reaction.

  5. Iam not on gs all the toime, will accept your word for it.

  6. Maybe just once and that was with u,

  7. Will love to engage in a dialogue with u, but unfortunately travelling this nite, inshallah when Iam back.

Thanks again. take care biibfn

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This is a nice and funny post...

FG, if you can't digest something, it doesn't necessarily mean that what you ate was rotten...Could be that your stomach could not bear it...

Best thing would be to actually eat more of it so that your stomach starts digesting it...Otherwise your system gets weak and starts to reject other things as well...

So face it head on so that your system gets stronger...

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[quote=“fartguru”]
Dear Ehsan Bhai,
I will not argue with your viewpoint, but will ask you this question why is it that Barelvi bashing is kosher on the religion forum? **They are labelled mushrik with abundance, being a Musliim that wud be called the biggest offence possible. Anything holy to them is compared to hindu practices, with no proof but simple ignorance and hatred, yet no editing. **
/QUOTE]

Many practicies by the Sufis are considered Shirk by the Wahabbis/Salafis…

So what’s wrong with saying that?

If you are a homosexual and my faith tells me that your gay beliefs are of the Mushrikeen or make you a non-Muslim, so me stating that fact is considered an offence?

You need to be more tolerant than that…How will you handle life’s bigger proble,ms when you grow up?

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Re: Religion segment: is it wahabi?

You for real.:confused:

Religion forum is not free or open to a healthy discussion, Mod will lock your threads or simply delete it if its not to there liking, Mod gets away with murder and after numerous complaints about this mod, admin has done nothing. Hence the mod has an open ticket to moderate the rlgn. forum with his own Version of Islam. Its people like him who have given the Rlgn. Forum a bad name.

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Any example of the above mentioned bolded text?

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^ Lajawab bhai there are many, i cant seem to bring back the feed back threads that were posted by other guppies against Armughal. and i dont have time to go search for Armughal's posts that started the feed back threads.

Your blind support for Armughal in the past should remind you of some of the threads you defended in this forum.

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Re: Religion segment: is it wahabi?

Religion has always been a difficult forum to mod as people can become very emotional based on their beliefs. There are 3 mods of that forum and one of the mods have replied to FG. The forum is open for all sorts of dsicussions and does not represent any one religion or sect.