The debate about shia, sunni is interesting.
I learned some about their beliefs from this forum.
One of my observation is that Shia religion is based on hate to most Sahabas except ahlebait to their strict definition.
It is also based on constant grief expression.
I would like some comments as to if there are other religions besed on hate.
I learned some about their beliefs from this forum.
You should never limit your search for knowledge. If you have based your information on this forum alone, you have been naive and foolish. There is no religious authority on this site. If you truly want to learn, pick up the books and read. Then speak with Alims.
It is also based on constant grief expression.
Consider your own conclusions. They contradict. Any religion that is based on hate will propogate hatred and revenge rather than express/show grief.
I would like some comments as to if there are other religions besed on hate.
No you wouldn't. You just want to start more useless shia/sunni trouble.
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Dear Muzna,
When I wrote "I learned some ", it means I learned something not everything about shia religion from this forum. What I learned about shia religion here is only part of what I know about this religion. What this forum teaches us is how do they feel and what do they understand about their and other religions.
Dont call anybody foolish if you dont know who he/she is unless his words are foolish.
In a way, shia religion promotes "hatred", because they clearly express bad languages against other personalities which are very noble to other religion. If someone calls bad name to your dear ones, don't you feel hatred against that person. Who is responsible for initiating hatred in this scenareo?
Two of my statements were not "Conclusions". They are my observtions, not conclusion and they can very well be wrong. Observations about 1)hate and 2) grief expression were separate and I never implied they corelate. I never said that hatred should propagate grief.
I understand the last sentence was provocotive and I am sorry about it because it implies a conclusion which is false.
By the way this forum is meant for healthy discussion. I know there is lot of suuni/shia trouble, but we can learn more about other people by exploring their beliefs.
Major problem is that I never read any body accepting other people's point of view or at least respect their view point.
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What this forum teaches us is how do they feel and what do they understand about their and other religions.
I disagree strongly. Any opinion about the shia community should not be based on what this forum, or any other for that matter, "teaches".
Opinions expressed by the shia gupshup members are strictly their own. I don't believe they represent the entire community.
Dont call anybody foolish if you dont know who he/she is unless his words are foolish.
Go back and read my comments again before you get emotional. There was a giant qualifier that you obviously missed. I said, "If" and presented a scenario.
Again, IF you don't fit the scenario, don't take the "foolish" personally.
In a way, shia religion promotes "hatred", because they clearly express bad languages against other personalities which are very noble to other religion.
Does the religion promote it or do certain followers?
If someone calls bad name to your dear ones, don't you feel hatred against that person.
No. I feel pity for them. That's what my religions has taught me.
Who is responsible for initiating hatred in this scenareo?
What's more important is: who is responsible for ending it?
Major problem is that I never read any body accepting other people's point of view or at least respect their view point.
Many people accept everyday. They just don't express their acceptance. Sometimes by selecting to remain quiet on a subject suggests that "Though I may not agree with you, I respect your right to believe whatever you want."
It's using that same principle that being sunni I accept shia beliefs. If they contradict with mine, so be it. In the end they have to answer for themselves as I for myself. Why take offense or involve myself in the vicious circle of hatred and revenge?
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Originally posted by analyze it:
What this forum teaches us is how do they feel and what do they understand about their and other religions.
I disagree strongly. Any opinion about the shia community should not be based on what this forum, or any other for that matter, "teaches".
Opinions expressed by the shia gupshup members are strictly their own. I don't believe they represent the entire community.
The discussion that we have is limited to this forum. Yes these are their personal opinions but majority of theses opinion are shared by their community. If you feel it is all a matter of "personal opinion", then what all the discussion about religion is about. Everybody should qualify first by saying that everything is my personal belief and it has no reference to Quran or sunnah.
Dont call anybody foolish if you dont know who he/she is unless his words are foolish.
Go back and read my comments again before you get emotional. There was a giant qualifier that you obviously missed. I said, "If" and presented a scenario.
I agree
Again, IF you don't fit the scenario, don't take the "foolish" personally.
In a way, shia religion promotes "hatred", because they clearly express bad languages against other personalities which are very noble to other religion.
Does the religion promote it or do certain followers?
Is it certain followers?? really!
Do you think someone who does not believe in ahlebait, who does not do Matam, who does not believe in other sahabas being munafiq can be a shia? I mean he might be a sunni or something else but definitely not shia. I believe that the thoughts expressed by shias on this forum are well shared by all other shias. At least all my shia friends and books as well as all shia web sites agree with that.
If someone calls bad name to your dear ones, don't you feel hatred against that person.
No. I feel pity for them. That's what my religions has taught me.
I agree our religion does not teach us that. But look at this way, Does shia religion teach them to hate sahabas. Now you will say "Not all shias practice that".
On the other hand, you may be too good but in relity it does not happen and one feels bad about somebody calling bad names to their dear ones. What I am trying to do is to analyze it, not asking your feelings. We need to learn why shia sunni hate each other rather than saying "I feel pity for them". If everybody thinks like you do, there will be no hatred but we can not change how everybody feels.
Who is responsible for initiating hatred in this scenareo?
What's more important is: who is responsible for ending it?
Don't avoid the question. You have no answer.
Let me tell you, there is no end. It will not end for sure. It might be cooled down.
From a shia standpoint my answer is; Sunni started hatred because their munafiq sahabas gave hardships to ahlebaits.
They may be right.
Major problem is that I never read any body accepting other people's point of view or at least respect their view point.
Many people accept everyday. They just don't express their acceptance. Sometimes by selecting to remain quiet on a subject suggests that "Though I may not agree with you, I respect your right to believe whatever you want."
It's using that same principle that being sunni I accept shia beliefs. If they contradict with mine, so be it. In the end they have to answer for themselves as I for myself. Why take offense or involve myself in the vicious circle of hatred and revenge?
I agree completely. This is my philosophy. I have sunni, shia, hindu, qadiani, christian friends and they are all dear to me though I differ with their philosophy but they are great friend as human being.
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I am not familiar with pasting and making line bold.yours and my answers have been mixedup in this post. Excuse me for that and tell me how should I do that. Thanks
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I think, you should read their hadiths books. Those books have things, which Shia friends will never tell you.
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Keep a copy of Quran handy to see the contradictions.
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Take it easy…
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