Religion - Logic or Faith

[psyah]

@USResident

Bro

I agree with a lot of things in the post however the Venn diagranms do not jive well. Beliefs cannot always be proven objectively or measureably as I have stated before. This is where the domain of science ends yet it continues with religion. I do not for some reason view that as conflict but rather I say science or scientific logic cannot be extended into all the domains covered by religion. They are a different fabric which is not material.

One thing that I could not make out from your posts is how do consider any differentiation between BELIEF and BLIND BELIEF. I consider belief as just belief, there is no such thing as blind belief. People seem to only consider what can be measured objectively through scientific means as belief and any other as blind belief. The adjective of BLIND gives it a rather negative connotation though today. If you could but cite an example which demonstrates blind belief even in the scientific domain then that makes the discussion much weighty towards our POV.

bro USResident

I’m frustrated because I can’t seem to get my point across. Perhaps I didn’t do enough to explain the Venn diagrams also. Please read the part that I have quoted above. You and I are not in disagreement. I throughout this thread have held that beliefs come in a variety of shapes and sizes.

My contention was not on this matter of all beliefs being provable. It was on the matter that it is wrong to assume that a belief that cannot be proven is any different from a belief that can be proven except only that the one that can be proven is objective. In other words the objectivity is not what makes something true or false. Truth and Falsehood are absolutes that reside from the external perspective and objective beliefs are just as much beliefs as non-objective ones, they are just easier to accept. It is for this reason that we should try to subject our beliefs to reason and test so they can be strengthened, but to leave them like that without doing some sort of truth analysis that is called blind faith. Also, the acceptance of what someone tells us without regard to checking it up for ourselves nor asking for clarification if we need it, that is also blind belief.

Note: In the Venn diagram there are 8 sections. The largest section is blind belief, the majority of which lies in falsehood, if we accept things just like that … we are more likely to be in error, but we can accept things within reason and then with proof and we are more likely to fall into the truth section. Note there are still some places in the truth section that are outside provable beliefs and outside beliefs with reason, they are blind beliefs which are true, but with reflection and throught we see through wisdom a sense of reason in those beliefs and they help confirm them for us.