Every now and then, we should re-evaluate the direction of the forum and seek help from all members to come in with their opinions on what they like about this forum and what they don’t like. The emphasis is not just to criticize but to come up with workable and practical solutions to fix things that we don’t like. And if we don’t have a solution, we can collectively seek one.
So, I will start off with my views and all of you are welcome to chime in.
I had lifted the moratorium in Muharram to allow our shia members to contribute more effectively. While educated discussions are always welcome, within a few months it was clear that a large number of participants here have no control over their anger. And the sectarian discussions were leading many of you to post insults towards other members and as a result getting warnings and in some cases being banned. Instead of allowing Religion forum to turn into a gaali galoch place, the Moratorium is re-applied. Its not the best solution, but if you have any other solution, please feel free to point out.
While all efforts are made to ensure that no religion is insulted, I am sure there are instances where I miss something. Please let me know if you find anything that you find offensive.
Every now and then a thread will be opened that will put Islam on trial. In this forum, I have never seen as many attacks on any other religion, as I have seen on Islam. It seems as if some people’s lives revolve around this thing and they just visit Religion forum here to bash Islam and criticize its fundamental tenents. Informational questions and debates are always welcome, but there should be a limit to how much of attacks will be permitted on one religion. Please provide your opinions on whether you feel this is a problem and how to deal with it.
Biggest use of this forum is for asking question on different aspects of Islam and our lives and share informational pieces of writing on various issues. No member here is a qualified jurist or scholar. If you have any ideas on what makes sense from an discussion forum stand point, please share.
Thats all I can think of at this point. I look forward to your suggestions and ideas.
What I find a major minus point in Religion and in other forums for that matter is people posting external links and articles and by doing that often sparkle hot debates. Nothing wrong with that, but what i dont like is that person NOT including his/her own opinion about that matter. Usually they just copy-paste stuff and one doesn't understand the real motive behind this and where that person stands. I think there should be a restriction in the amount of articles pasted into the forum. Because in the end this is a discussion forum (not a read forum) and I'd like to hear from ppl themselves what their opinion is, and not of someone else's.
I'd suggest that if someone wants to discuss a topic he/she should write in his/her own words about the topic and tell his/her opinion. In the end to support his/her stance s/he may provide a link.
What I have seen is that for many, and by many I will say for majority of the users here, Religion forum is only interesting when:
they can pick up a fight on some matters;
can impose their “self-understood-islam” on others to prove them wrong; or
if they can accuse others of having an attitude of being ‘the only righteous person here’ without looking into their ownselves.
No one bothers to appreciate what Allah :swt: or Rasoolulah:saw: say… yet many come and “raise their voices” against the ahaadeeth, the words of the prophet :saw: in very debatable manner without understanding the seriousness of the ayah where ALLAH :swt: said:
O who believe! Raise not your voices above the voice of the Prophet, nor speak aloud to him in talk, as ye may speak aloud to one another, lest your deeds become vain and ye perceive not. Those who lower their voice in the presence of Allah’s Apostle - their hearts has Allah tested for piety: for them is Forgiveness and a great reward"
(al-Hujurat: 2-3).*
Looking at what has been going on here, seems like this place just needs Moratorium and the like of it… but Iqbal :rehm: said:
Naheen hai naaumeed Iqbal apni kasht-e-weeraaN say
zaraa num ho yeh miTTi tau baRi zar-khaiz hai saaqi
copy/paste of articles shud be prohibited in the religion forum....
if someone finds an article interesting he can put up the link and share his views on the article and let others share theirs....
long copy/paste articles r usually ignored and often bring 'death' to a discussion....
Personally, I don't read long copy-pastes myself. However, I assume some people do, so it would be unfair on my part to delete them if they can benefit someone else. Though conceptually, if the whole thing is available a click-away anyway, then to post it in its entirity is a waste of time. Only a weblink or salient points should be posted.
Any other suggestion?
Also, do we have any answers to the four questions I raised in my first post?
I don't mind people copying and pasting articles, but they should only keep to the important bits, and should also state the reference of their claims.
I do agree that once they have the article in place, they should also point out meaning for the topic. Like, do they want a debate on it or do they just want people to read it and think about it.
Faisal, your post is to establish exactly what? As far as the number 3 point is concerned, it is another facet of self proclaimed victimhood in my opinion. Oh woe is me..oh woe is me... :(
Hazrat..... this is to solicit opinions to make this a better place. If you don't agree with something, thats fine. Give your input. I am free to give mine. If you don't like it, eat two extra naan when you go home. :)
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Because lot of slander against islam on this forum going without moderation!
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This is interesting. How many times in the last six months have you contacted me to tell me about "a lot of slander againt Islam"? Have you done your part? Have you done **anything*, except sliding in threads and making general complaints. Same goes for you armughal. How many times have you contacted me to tell me something is not fair?
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Same goes for you armughal. How many times have you contacted me to tell me something is not fair?
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i contact u whenever i think its necessary, and sometimes just leave it cuz i know no action will be taken....
or waisay bhai kaam tumhaara hai to keep ur eyes open for such thing....
muft ki rotiyaan torrnay ki bajaye kaam pe dhayaan diya karo.... :p
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This is interesting. How many times in the last six months have you contacted me to tell me about "a lot of slander againt Islam"? Have you done your part? Have you done **anything*, except sliding in threads and making general complaints. Same goes for you armughal. How many times have you contacted me to tell me something is not fair?
Baat kartay hein.... :p
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salamz bro
i think if you look i actually made comment to you only few dayz ago! in the homo thread which you put up.
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i think if you look i actually made comment to you only few dayz ago! in the homo thread which you put up.
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Alright, lets look at that. A poll was requested by a member which states:
"Should homosexuals be executed and killed because of their homosexuality?"
You post in that thread:
"What kind of silly vote is this, this is delibertaly trying to incite muslims!"
1 you are not talking to me, you are posting your comment on that thread, which is fine. You can either vote "Yes" or you can vote "No", or you can say, this is a crappy poll and I won't vote.
And #2, where exactly does that question translate to "lot of slander against islam"?
As I see it, this was a question as to what you think. A bunch of people said "yes". A bunch of people said "No" and then there is four page of discussion on why people believe what they do. Excellent!
This is exactly why we are here. To discuss and present our view point so others can read and learn.
If you don't like to read these things or discuss them, then don't. Do tell me where does asking your opinion about an issue becomes slandering?
And armughal... thats why they say either speak up or hold your peace. Coming in with snide remarks here and there won't solve anything. If you want things done, drop me a PM instead of mocking ke "muft ki rotiyaan torrnay ki bajaye kaam pe dhayaan diya karo".
faisal everyone knows the punishment for homos in islam why do you think the member asked for such a poll.?
If i said lets have a poll on should muslim women wear hijab or not, the islamic verdict is clear hijab is fard for the woman it not for us humans to decide for a matter or have a vote on something which has been already decided for by allah(swt)
The member of guppshup who wanted a poll was clearly set to cause incitement.
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faisal everyone knows the punishment for homos in islam why do you think the member asked for such a poll.?
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Everyone knows? Everyone agrees? I really doubt it. There are more people who voted no, and some of them are bonafide muslims who post regularly in this forum. I won't disclose the names, but suffice is to say the issue is not as clear-cut as you seem to think, and thus it is a bonafide discussion topic. Afterall this is why we have this forum. To discuss and give our opinions.
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*Originally posted by ak47: *
If i said lets have a poll on should muslim women wear hijab or not, the islamic verdict is clear hijab is fard for the woman it not for us humans to decide for a matter or have a vote on something which has been already decided for by allah(swt)
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Hijab is fard? You think so. Right. Does every other muslim thinks so? If they did, all muslim women would wear hijab. Do they do? No. So, its also a great discussion point, and we have plenty of discussions on this very topic. If someone wants a poll, sure go ahead and tell me. After all, as I said, this is why we have this forum.
If we all knew all the answers in our head, and become convinced that what we know is the final truth then there is no point in having a discussion forum. If you are at that level of conviction that everything you know is 100% correct, then probably you don't need to be at this place, cz you won't learn anything new.
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The member of guppshup who wanted a poll was clearly set to cause incitement.
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Unlike you I don't judge people's intentions. The fact that votes are nicely divided and the discussion spans 4 pages, tells me ppl want to present their view point. So if I had listened to you and closed the discussion, it would have been very unfair.
I am not talkign about having discussion i am talking about issue of vote/poll.
For the female who do not wear hijab allah(swt) knows best why they not wearing it. I doubt there is anyone who has a valid reason not to wear it unless they a little child.
What you gonna have next a poll vote on if muslims should pray or not or how about a vote on if selling alcohol is halal!
You don`t need to have polls on such issues. The poll is not the reference point the islamic texts is the reference point.
If you going to look at a poll for your hukms then you gonna end up more confused.
The threads on ahmedhis are immediatly closed, while others on shia vs sunni are allowed to remain open the policies are not consistent.
