Probably the most common source of all the trouble in the world in descending order;
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Religion
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color of Skin
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language
Belief is not what mind possesses, it is what possesses the mind!
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Originally posted by analyze it:
**Probably the most common source of all the trouble in the world in descending order;
1) Religion
2) color of Skin
3) language
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WRONG
1/nationality
2/nationalism
3/patriotism
4/country /statehood
5/citizenry
6/flag
7/ ideology
8/religion
9/color
10/language
Not necessarily in that DESCENDING ORDER ,but by far ww1 ww2 & Vietnam,Korean,Faulk land,Iraq,Iraq vs Iran,Afghanistan vs Russia were not religous or language or skin war
"jo kHat main kahte they apni jaan mujhko
aaj kHat likhne main unki jaan jaati hai .....
The greatest war of this century and probably of all time was world War II which originated from the extreme hatred of jews and jewish religion as a race and a religion.
I mentioned of hatred and trouble, not necessarily war. War is not always a symbol of constant hatred. Many famous wars in the world history were started on petty matters as well as for greed of power and dominance and not necessarily because of hatred. Many countries engaged in war and then became friends which proves my point.
Religious differences have always been a source of conflict and hatred and have never resolved to this date.
Just review the degree of hatred and intense difference displayed on the religion forum here and it truly reflects.
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Originally posted by analyze it:
**The greatest war of this century and probably of all time was world War II which originated from the extreme hatred of jews and jewish religion as a race and a religion.
I mentioned of hatred and trouble, not necessarily war. War is not always a symbol of constant hatred. Many famous wars in the world history were started on petty matters as well as for greed of power and dominance and not necessarily because of hatred. Many countries engaged in war and then became friends which proves my point.
Religious differences have always been a source of conflict and hatred and have never resolved to this date.
Just review the degree of hatred and intense difference displayed on the religion forum here and it truly reflects.**
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i AM TALKING OF big trouble WHICH CERTAINLY WARS ARE,NOS.OF BODY COUNTS ,LIFE LOST.
MAY BE PSYCHOLOGICALLY DAMAGES CANNOT BE MEASURED IN CASE OF HATRED & RASCISM.
BUT OBJECTIVE MEASUREMENT WOULD PUT OTHER CAUSES AS BEING MORE COSTLY .
IT DOESNT MEAN I UNDER MINE THE SERIOUSNESS OF RELIGOUS RASCIAL HATRED.
I SAY THAT PARTIVCULARLY B/C NON MUSLIM TALK OF JEHAD ALL THE TIME.
WHEN JEHAD IS NOT A CAUSE OF LARGEST LOSS OF LIFE .
"jo kHat main kahte they apni jaan mujhko
aaj kHat likhne main unki jaan jaati hai .....
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Originally posted by FYI:
Correction: the real order
(1) IDEOLOGY
(2) NATIONALISM
(3) PATRIOTISM
There is only one ideology that is implemted in the international areana that is the corrupt man made CAPTLISTS ideology (the comminists ideology has collaspsed and soon the captlists will fall as well, INSAH' ALLAH). And then the true ideology the one revealed from the Creator, ISLAM will be implemented.
If you look at the major incidents of this century many have been about the ideology( the captlist and communists conflict,captlists and islamic conflicts).Although the rulers and leaders will never show thier true intentions but rather will portary a false picture( i.e the iraq conflict, the balkans,palestine,sireone leon etc)
The captlists are putting all thier efforts on islam and they are using the emotions of nationlism and patriorism to divide and disunite the muslims and also to stop them working to re-establish the islamic ideology.
DEMOCRACY: rule of the MANY.....by the FEW
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Th num 1 source of Hate:
The Media...
The WWII was not fought for the jews to save the jews. That is a grave misconception people have. It was fought against Germany not because they were killing the jews but because the wanted to take over the whole of europe and then the world.
Dear Mean machin:
Don't you think that religion is also an ideology as you have pointed about prevailing of "True ideology i.e. islam". In the same way all other religions are based on some ideology and philosophy.
The most prevalent ideologies are also known as religions and they are the number one prevalent source of hatred among human beings.
Topee wala:
The hatred between people is thousands of years old, actually since the beginning of mankind. Many religious based hate wars were fought before anybody knew what the word media is. There was no media during crusades.
You may say that media gives you the news and information these days which may provoke many people. Should media not be reporting events as they happen? Is it going to stop hatred? I don't think so.
Belief is not what mind possesses, it is what possesses the mind!
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Originally posted by analyze it:
**Dear Mean machin:
Don't you think that religion is also an ideology as you have pointed about prevailing of "True ideology i.e. islam". In the same way all other religions are based on some ideology and philosophy.
The most prevalent ideologies are also known as religions and they are the number one prevalent source of hatred among human beings.
Analzye: i think we first need to set out what a idelogy is.
The ideology is a belief from which a system emanates. The beleif is the view about univerrse, man, life, what preceded this life, what is to follow it, and the relationship of this life with what preceded it and what is to follow it. As for the system that emanates from this belief, it is the solution for manâs problems, the method for implementing those solutions, preserving the doctrine, and conveying the ideology to others.
Now it is quite clear that not every religion is an ideology. Because all religions(expect islam) only have a of belief that governs the relationship between the person and god, they do not have a system to govern society, hence they do not have a method to implement laws in society. They don't have a comprehensive view about what came before life, what comes after life and what is the relationships between these.
Where as captlists does have a belief from which a system emantes (although not the right one)
ONLY islam has the correct ideology.
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'The most violent element in society is ignorance'
I read that somewhere a while ago, can't remember who it was that said that, but i think it rings true. Especially in the case of hatred. I don't believe religion or ethnicity or any of the classification you guys have mentioned above are sources of hatred, i don't know of any religion that teaches hate. Hatred stems from and is motivated by ignorance.
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Originally posted by Girl from Quraysh:
**'The most violent element in society is ignorance'
I read that somewhere a while ago, can't remember who it was that said that, but i think it rings true. Especially in the case of hatred. I don't believe religion or ethnicity or any of the classification you guys have mentioned above are sources of hatred, i don't know of any religion that teaches hate. Hatred stems from and is motivated by ignorance.
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GFQ
Islam may be IDEOLOGY to non muslim but ideologies capitalism,democracy,communism are NOT religions.So all religion can be ideology but all ideologies cannot be religion .
Ignorence is reason only in naive ,gullible & simple people but i dont hink Hitler didnt know what he was doing,or America didnt know eventhough wrongfully what they were doing to vietnam for ,Thats why there was such reluctence by public here.
In fact it is more now a days for politics than ignorence.Babri was not destroyed b/c vajpayee or any hindu know where Ram was born with the prescision of GPS (global positionin system ) when there was no such thing or maps then.
BABRI WQAS DEMOLISHED TO BAND HINDU IN ONE ROPE FOR VOTING BJP TO POWER WHICH THEY DID>
I wouldnt say hindu ignorently by mistake hurt muslim.They hurt muslim knowingly for the larger goal of grabbing majority votes in Indian parliament.They are knowledgeable DISHONEST ppl. Vajpayee,Advani Muri Monohar Jodshi ,Thackeray, Sudershan,to name few.
barque(bijli) yoon akadti hai apne karname pe ke
jaise phir naya hum aashiyaan bana nahi sakte
1) Stupid people.
2) Selfish people.
3) Ignorant people.
Just my humble opinions.
Azad Munna,
When i say ignorance, i don't mean it in the way that its synonymous with innocence. Of course Hitler knew what he was doing, and what he did was wrong. But what i'm saying is that what he believed was ignorant, ie.believing one race inferior to another. And thats where his actions and motivations seem to have originated--from that 'ignorant' way of thinking.
Yeah Pilot25, i guess one can say that hate's also fueled by those who are selfish, stupid, bitter, jealous, and those who feel a need to pursue revenge.
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Originally posted by Girl from Quraysh:
Azad Munna,
Yeah Pilot25, i guess one can say that hate's also fueled by those who are selfish, stupid, bitter, jealous, and those who feel a need to pursue revenge.
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And you all must realise that all the qualities described above is what almost all religions are against.
I know Islam is against them. We, in Islam, must only fight when our people are being killed. So justifiably in Kashmir, chechnea and Palestine we HAVE to retaliate. Otherwise to spread the word of Allah. But this does not involve colonising them, killing them and so on as the brits and all europeans did. Where the muslims went the common people became muslim and associated themselves as Muslims and not what they were before, most probably idol worshipers. That is why, us Pakistani, though we are actully ethnicly Indians, but we dont associate ourselves as Indians. We call our selves Pakistanis, the Muslims of the Sub-continent. We dont care about being Indians as it has little consequense. We care more about the chechneans then we do about the indians (except for the Muslims and mainly Kahmiris). We relate ourselves to Mohammed Bin Qasim, Ghaznavi, Ghaaauri, Babar, Auranzeb and not Prithvi, Agni and any other indian missiles. For us muslims, we were in the dark and then came the light.
Inshort, Islam united the pathans, sindhis, punjabis, kashmiris, balocuhis together to form a pakistan. And the only thing the propmotes hate between hate between us is racisim, the precise thing that Islam is against, from 1400 years.
Islam got rid of the hatred caused by racisim and nationality tribalism. If we revert to the old issues we are doomed and become disunited.
Pakistan was the 1st country to be created for Islam after the State of Medina under teh prophet but somewhere along the way something went wrong and we should all work to build another Medina. Though the prophet (saw) is not here to guide us, we are left with his Quran and sunnah.
Ignorance is a blessing too, sometimes.
When I was young we used to learn about basic islamic beliefs in school and homes and we were never told about different beliefs of different islamic sects. We were always told to keep Prophet muammad in high esteem and to keep utmost respect for them. Growing up I learned about different sects and the most prominent minority sect around us i.e. shiaism since we had friends and families around us. I also learned that they hate some of the most respected companions of Prophet Muhammad and actually call names. It was not just surprisining but also bitter to learn about my beloved friends having these beliefs full of hatred against those personalities I was always tought to respect more than anybody else.
In this way loss of ignorance and being more aware and learned created the bitterness(I dont call it hatred for myself but there are many people who actually do.
My point is just to show that ignorance was blessful because there was no ill feeling before revelation. Point is not to discuss shia beliefs and whether they are right or wrong.
Belief is not what mind possesses, it is what possesses the mind!
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Originally posted by Topee Wala:
We care more about the chechneans then we do about the indians (except for the Muslims and mainly Kahmiris).
Your thoughts have left a lot to be desired.
Don't forget that those musims in India are indians and they support and follow indian government. They are also part of indian army albeit less and fight against any country or rebels when necessary like Pakistan and kashmiris.
Also remember that Kashmiris are not with Pakistan. They just want liberation both from Pakistan and India.
Inshort, Islam united the pathans, sindhis, punjabis, kashmiris, balocuhis together to form a pakistan. And the only thing the propmotes hate between hate between us is racisim, the precise thing that Islam is against, from 1400 years.
Islam got rid of the hatred caused by racisim and nationality tribalism. If we revert to the old issues we are doomed and become disunited.
I wish if the above was true but I dissent. In fact islam has not been able to get rid of racism(at least in Pakistan) and it is flourishing more than ever. People are dying everyday due to differences in religious beliefs(e.g. shias and sunnis) as well as due to difference in races. There is widespread hate and discontent among pathans, punjabis, sindhis and mohajirs etc.
Here I am not saying that Islam is responsible for this but it has not been able to mend it either for 1500 years.
Pakistan was the 1st country to be created for Islam after the State of Medina......
And it failed in its mission too and was the first country to break up. Islam could not save it. Bengalis were never less islamic. The reason for breakup was not religious but religion failed to keep it intact and theory of muslim nation was shattered in 1971.
Belief is not what mind possesses, it is what possesses the mind!
Analyze It, I take it you're atheist as well?
Yes, I agree. Religion is the #1 cause of problem. Money would be #2.
Majority of the problems caused in the world are not because of RELIGION itself, but the seperation and segregation religion causes. When people become segregated into their own little religions, they essentially become a 'gang' of their own, and face rival 'gangs'. In Britian the problem is the protestants versus Catholics.. India, the problem is Hindus versus Sikhs, versus Muslims, versus Sikhs.. In Afghanistan apparantely we can see the problem is the Buddhists, and then Muslims within themselves have problems, Shia Versus Sunni, there are so many problems.. it's a shame I don't have the time to list them all.
arai
rpt
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Originally posted by Girl from Quraysh:
**Azad Munna,
When i say ignorance, i don't mean it in the way that its synonymous with innocence. Of course Hitler knew what he was doing, and what he did was wrong. But what i'm saying is that what he believed was ignorant, ie.believing one race inferior to another. And thats where his actions and motivations seem to have originated--from that 'ignorant' way of thinking.
Yeah Pilot25, i guess one can say that hate's also fueled by those who are selfish, stupid, bitter, jealous, and those who feel a need to pursue revenge.**
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Originally posted by Girl from Quraysh:
**Azad Munna,
When i say ignorance, i don't mean it in the way that its synonymous with innocence. Of course Hitler knew what he was doing, and what he did was wrong. But what i'm saying is that what he believed was ignorant, ie.believing one race inferior to another. And thats where his actions and motivations seem to have originated--from that 'ignorant' way of thinking.
Yeah Pilot25, i guess one can say that hate's also fueled by those who are selfish, stupid, bitter, jealous, and those who feel a need to pursue revenge.**
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GFQ
BEaware,you are getting into ,when you can explain away all criminal aactivities on ignorence.According to you what Hitler believed was IGNORENT,what if Hindu tell you about -anaz o billah -about your imaan as ignorence !!
REST IS JUST MY RAMBLING READ AT YOUR OWN RRISK:
I agree knowledge ,awareness ,learning would diffuse hatred BUT ONLY WHEN THERE IS A DeSIRE OF UNDERSTANDUNG ON THE PART OF THE HATER TO GET RID OF HIS BIASES.Do you think hitler couldnt have gotten the knowledge ,awareness or information about jews?
Iknow it is a pet answer for rascism,hate mongering & wars -education but havent you notice what do we do with our education on the first instance dig up other partys or adversary criticism,negativity,bad examples.So does the other party too .In india all the problem basically is by so called history guru saying there version .
Do you belive some ppl are born evil,I do.
There will always be demon,lurking not very far behind the good --'may the force (good) be with you' ,Luke
barque(bijli) yoon akadti hai apne karname pe ke
jaise phir naya hum aashiyaan bana nahi sakte