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The Relativity of Time and the Reality of Fate

Everything related above demonstrates that a “three-dimensional space” does not exist in reality, that it is a prejudice completely inspired by perceptions and that one leads one’s whole life in “spacelessness”. To assert the contrary would be to hold a superstitious belief removed from reason and scientific truth, for there is no valid proof of the existence of a three-dimensional material world.

This fact refutes the primary assumption of the materialist philosophy that underlies evolutionary theory. This is the assumption that matter is absolute and eternal. The second assumption upon which the materialistic philosophy rests is the supposition that time is absolute and eternal. This is as superstitious as the first one.


The Perception of Time

The perception we call time is, in fact, a method by which one moment is compared to another. We can explain this with an example. For instance, when a person taps an object, he hears a particular sound. When he taps the same object five minutes later, he hears another sound. The person perceives that there is an interval between the first sound and the second and he calls this interval “time”. Yet at the time he hears the second sound, the first sound he heard is no more than an imagination in his mind. It is merely a bit of information in his memory. The person formulates the perception of “time” by comparing the moment in which he lives with what he has in his memory. If this comparison is not made, neither there can be perception of time.

Similarly, a person makes a comparison when he sees someone entering a room through its door and sitting in an armchair in the middle of the room. By the time this person sits in the armchair, the images related to the moments he opens the door, walks into the room, and makes his way to the armchair are compiled as bits of information in the brain. The perception of time occurs when one compares the man sitting on the armchair with those bits of information he has.

In brief, time comes to exist as a result of the comparison made between some illusions stored in the brain. If man did not have memory, then his brain would not be making such interpretations and therefore the perception of time would never have been formed. The reason why one determines himself to be thirty years old is only because he has accumulated information pertaining to those thirty years in his mind. If his memory did not exist, then he would not be thinking of the existence of such a preceding period of time and he would only be experiencing the single “moment” he was living in.


The Scientific Explanation of Timelessness

Let us try to clarify the subject by quoting explanations by various scientists and scholars on the subject. Regarding the subject of time flowing backwards, the famous intellectual and Nobel laureate professor of genetics, Francois Jacob, states the following in his book Le Jeu de Possibles (The Possible and the Actual):

Films played backwards, make it possible for us to imagine a world in which time flows backwards. A world in which milk separates itself from the coffee and jumps out of the cup to reach the milk-pan; a world in which light rays are emitted from the walls to be collected in a trap (gravity center) instead of gushing out from a light source; a world in which a stone slopes to the palm of a man by the astonishing cooperation of innumerable drops of water making the stone possible to jump out of water. Yet, in such a world in which time has such opposite features, the processes of our brain and the way our memory compiles information, would similarly be functioning backwards. The same is true for the past and future and the world will appear to us exactly as it currently appears.(153)

Since our brain is accustomed to a certain sequence of events, the world operates not as it is related above and we assume that time always flows forward. However, this is a decision reached in the brain and therefore is completely relative. In reality, we can never know how time flows or even whether it flows or not. This is an indication of the fact that time is not an absolute fact but just a sort of perception.

The relativity of time is a fact also verified by the most important physicist of the 20th century, Albert Einstein. Lincoln Barnett, writes in his book The Universe and Dr. Einstein:

Along with absolute space, Einstein discarded the concept of absolute time-of a steady, unvarying inexorable universal time flow, streaming from the infinite past to the infinite future. Much of the obscurity that has surrounded the Theory of Relativity stems from man’s reluctance to recognize that sense of time, like sense of color, is a form of perception. Just as space is simply a possible order of material objects, so time is simply a possible order of events. The subjectivity of time is best explained in Einstein’s own words. “The experiences of an individual” he says, "appear to us arranged in a series of events; in this series the single events which we remember appear to be ordered according to the criterion of ‘earlier’ and ‘later’. There exists, therefore, for the individual, an I-time, or subjective time. This in itself is not measurable. I can, indeed, associate numbers with the events, in such a way that a greater number is associated with the later event than with an earlier one.(154)

Einstein himself pointed out, as quoted from Barnett’s book: “space and time are forms of intuition, which can no more be divorced from consciousness than can our concepts of color, shape, or size.” According to the Theory of General Relativity: “time has no independent existence apart from the order of events by which we measure it.”(155)

Since time consists of perception, it depends entirely on the perceiver and is therefore relative.

The speed at which time flows differs according to the references we use to measure it because there is no natural clock in the human body to indicate precisely how fast time passes. As Lincoln Barnett wrote: “Just as there is no such thing as color without an eye to discern it, so an instant or an hour or a day is nothing without an event to mark it.” (156)

The relativity of time is plainly experienced in dreams. Although what we see in our dream seems to last for hours, in fact, it only lasts for a few minutes, and even a few seconds.

Let us think on an example to clarify the subject further. Let us assume that we were put into a room with a single window that was specifically designed and we were kept there for a certain period of time. Let there be a clock in the room by which we can see the amount of time that has passed. At the same time, let it be that we see from the room’s window the sun setting and rising at certain intervals. A few days later, the answer we would give to the question about the amount of time we spent in the room would be based both on the information we had collected by looking at the clock from time to time and on the computation we had done by referring to how many times the sun set and rose. For example, we estimate that we had spent three days in the room. However, if the person who put us in that room comes up to us and says that we spent only two days in the room and that the sun we had been seeing from the window was falsely produced by a simulation machine and that the clock in the room was especially regulated to work faster, then the calculation we had done would bear no meaning.

This example confirms that the information we have about the rate of the passage of time is based on relative references. The relativity of the time is a scientific fact also proven by scientific methodology. Einstein’s Theory of General Relativity maintains that the speed of time changes depending on the speed of the object and its distance from the centre of gravity. As speed increases, time is shortened, compressed; and slows down as if it comes to the point of “stopping”.

Let us explain this with an example given by Einstein himself. Imagine two twins, one of whom stays on earth while the other goes travelling in space at a speed close to the speed of light. When he comes back, the traveller will see that his brother has grown much older than he has. The reason is that time flows much slower for the person who travels at speeds near the speed of light. If the same example is applied to a space-travelling father and his earth-bound son, if the father was 27 years old when he set out and his son 3; when the father comes back to the earth 30 years later (earth time), the son will be 33 years old but his father will be only 30. (157)

It should be pointed out that this relativity of time is caused not by the slowing down or running fast of clocks or the slow running of a mechanical spring. It is rather the result of the differentiated operation periods of the entire material system which goes as deep as sub-atomic particles. In other words, the shortening of time is not like acting in a slow-motion picture for the person experiencing it. In such a setting where time shortens, one’s heartbeats, cell replications, and brain functions, and so on all operate slower than those of the slower-moving person on Earth. The person goes on with his daily life and does not notice the shortening of time at all. Indeed the shortening does not even become apparent until the comparison is made.


Relativity in the Qur’an

The conclusion to which we are led by the findings of modern science is that time is not an absolute fact as supposed by materialists, but only a relative perception. What is more interesting is that this fact, undiscovered until the 20th century by science, was imparted to mankind in the Qur’an 14 centuries ago. There are various references in the Qur’an to the relativity of time. In some verses, it is indicated that people perceive time differently and that sometimes people can perceive a very short period of time as a very lengthy one. The following conversation of people held during their judgement in the Hereafter is a good example of this:

He will say: “What number of years did ye stay on earth?” They will say: “We stayed a day or part of a day: but ask those who keep account.” He will say: “Ye stayed not but a little,- if ye had only known!” (Surat al-Mumenoon, 112-114)

In some other verses it is stated that time may flow at different paces in different settings:

Yet they ask thee to hasten on the Punishment! But Allah will not fail in His Promise. Verily a Day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning. (Surat al-Hajj, 47)

The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years. (Surat al-Maarij, 4)

These verses are all manifest expressions of the relativity of time. The fact that this result only recently understood by science in the 20th century was communicated to man 1,400 years ago by the Qur’an is an indication of the revelation of the Qur’an by Allah, Who encompasses the whole time and space.


Destiny

This relativity of time clears up a very important matter. The relativity is so variable that a period of time appearing billions of years’ duration to us, may last only a second in another dimension. Moreover, an enormous period of time extending from the world’s beginning to its end may not even last a second but just an instant in another dimension.

This is the very essence of the concept of destiny- a concept that is not well understood by most people, especially materialists, who deny it completely. Destiny is Allah’s perfect knowledge of all events past or future. A majority of people question how Allah can already know events that have not yet been experienced and this leads them to fail in understanding the authenticity of destiny. However, “events not yet experienced” are not yet experienced only for us. Allah is not bound by time or space for He Himself has created them. For this reason, the past, the future, and the present are all the same to Allah; for Him, everything has already taken place and finished.

Lincoln Barnett explains how the Theory of General Relativity leads to this fact in The Universe and Dr. Einstein: According to Barnett, the universe can be “encompassed in its entire majesty only by a cosmic intellect”. (158) The will that Barnett calls “the cosmic intellect” is the wisdom and knowledge of Allah, Who prevails over the entire universe. Just as we easily see a ruler’s beginning, middle, and end, and all the units in between as a whole, Allah knows the time we are subjected to like a single moment right from its beginning to the end. People experience incidents only when their time comes and they witness the fate Allah has created for them.

It is also important to draw attention to the shallowness of the distorted understanding of destiny prevalent in society. This distorted conviction of fate holds a superstitious belief that Allah has determined a “destiny” for every man but that these destinies can sometimes be changed by people. For instance, for a patient who returns from death’s door people make superficial statements like “He defeated his destiny”. Yet, no one is able to change his destiny. The person who turns from death’s door does not die because he is destined not to die then. It is again the destiny of those people who deceive themselves by saying “I defeated my destiny” to say so and maintain such a mindset.

Destiny is the eternal knowledge of Allah and for Allah, Who knows time like a single moment and Who prevails over the whole time and space, everything is determined and finished in a destiny. We also understand from what is related in the Qur’an that time is one for Allah: some incidents that appear to happen to us in the future are related in the Qur’an in such a way that they already took place long before. For instance, the verses that describe the account that people are to give to Allah in the hereafter are related as events which already occurred long ago:

And the trumpet is blown, and all who are in the heavens and all who are in the earth swoon away, save him whom Allah willeth. Then it is blown a second time, and behold them standing waiting! And the earth shineth with the light of her Lord, and the Book is set up, and the prophets and the witnesses are brought, and it is judged between them with truth, and they are not wronged… And those who disbelieve are driven unto hell in troops… And those who disbelieve are driven unto hell in troops…" (Surat az-Zumar, 68-74)

As may be seen, occurrences that are going to take place after our death (from our point of view) are related as already experienced and past events in the Qur’an. Allah is not bound by the relative time frame that we are confined in. Allah has willed these things in timelessness: people have already performed them and all these events have been lived through and ended. It is imparted in the verse below that every event, be it big or small, is within the knowledge of Allah and recorded in a book:

In whatever business thou mayest be, and whatever portion thou mayest be reciting from the Qur’an,- and whatever deed ye (mankind) may be doing,- We are witnesses thereof when ye are deeply engrossed therein. Nor is hidden from thy Lord (so much as) the weight of an atom on the earth or in heaven. And not the least and not the greatest of these things but are recorded in a clear record. (Surah Jonah, 61)

If one thinks deeper in light of all that is said here, he is sure to realise in his own soul this astounding and extraordinary situation: that all events transpiring on earth are merely an illusion.


The Details that Materialists Have Difficulty in Comprehending

The issues discussed in this chapter, namely the truth underlying matter, timelessness, and spacelessness, are indeed extremely clear. As expressed before, these are absolutely not any sort of a philosophy or a way of thought, but crystal-clear truths impossible to deny. In addition to its being a technical reality, the rational and logical evidence also admits no other alternatives on this issue: the universe is an illusory entirety with all the matter composing it and all the people living on it. It is a collection of perceptions.

Materialists have a hard time in understanding this issue. For instance, if we return to Politzer’s bus example: although Politzer technically knew that he could not step out of his perceptions he could only admit it for certain cases. That is, for Politzer, events take place in the brain until the bus crash, but as soon as the bus crash takes place, things go out of the brain and gain a physical reality. The logical defect at this point is very clear: Politzer has made the same mistake as the materialist philosopher Johnson who said “I hit the stone, my foot hurts, therefore it exists” and could not understand that the shock felt after bus impact was in fact a mere perception as well.

However, being unbiased would be enough to understand this subject. Lincoln Barnett informs that this subject was “discerned” by some scientists:

Along with philosophers’ reduction of all objective reality to a shadow-world of perceptions, scientists have become aware of the alarming limitations of man’s senses.(159)

These statements point at a very important fact: matter’s lack of any physical reality alarms materialists who hold matter to be an absolute thing. For true believers, the case is just the opposite: people of faith become very glad when they have perceived the true nature of the world because this reality is the key to all questions. With this key, all secrets are unlocked. One comes to easily understand many issues that he previously had difficulty in understanding. As said before, the questions of death, paradise, hell, the hereafter, changing dimensions, and human such as “Where is Allah?”, “What was before Allah?”, “Who created Allah?”, “How long will the life in cemetery last?”, “Where are heaven and hell?”, and “Where do heaven and hell currently exist?” will be easily answered because it will be understood with what kind of a system Allah created the entire universe from nothingness. So much so that, with this secret, the questions of “when”, and “where” become meaningless because there will be no time and no place left. When spacelessness is comprehended, it will be understood that hell, heaven and earth are all actually at the same place. If timelessness is understood, it will be understood that everything takes place at a single moment: nothing is waited for and time does not go by, because everything has already happened and finished.

With this secret, another very important reality mentioned in the Quran is unveiled: the fact that “Allah is nearer to man than his jugular vein” (Surah Qaf, 16). As everybody knows, the jugular vein is inside the body. What could be nearer to a person than his inside? This situation can be easily explained by the reality of spacelessness. This verse can also be much better comprehended by understanding this secret.

As explained before, the only absolute being is Allah. All other things are but the reflections of Allah in the form of shadow beings. Allah sees and knows man with the five senses and with all other senses. Whithersoever we turn, there is the presence of Allah.

As may be clearly seen, the great secret revealed in this book is the key to all things. As Lincoln Barnett stated, this is the reason for the fears of materialists. The primitiveness of their own philosophy and the ignorance of their point of view are bared for all to see. They are also aware that if the true nature of matter is known by people in general, there will be no ground left on which they can rationalise their views. There can be no other explanation for the extreme panic and opposition that they display about such a certain fact.

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Is TRUTH absolute?

Everything is relative just as everything is infinite.

Truth is nothing but a point: a set of co-ordinates on a
pentaxial configuration -- the five axes being the three of Space, one
of Time and one of Perspective.

those who dont want to read the long post above


"jo kHat main kahte they apni jaan mujhko
aaj kHat likhne main unki jaan jaati hai .....

Sorry about the long post!

Truth is absolute because it existed before existence and before existance questioned it. Allah was the Creator before He created.

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**Sorry about the long post!

Truth is absolute because it existed before existence and before existance questioned it. Allah was the Creator before He created.**
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Mushi its o.k.

Here is a shorter re affirmation of islamic view on relativity,much easily understood at least to me .If u have any q plz feel free to post

Physics>Metaphysical Pentaxial Theorem!

THE ISLAMIC THEORY OF REVERSE RELATIVITY

Pentaxial: metaphysical theorem

"The Truth is nothing but a point: a set of co-ordinates on a
pentaxial configuration -- the five axes being the three of Space, one
of Time and one of Perspective."

THE ISLAMIC THEORY OF REVERSE RELATIVITY

(A Theory of Space and Time in the light of Islamic tradition.)

I present this primarily for the consideration of those believing
Muslims who are also well schooled in science and technology. I have a
theory that I humbly share with you. It pertains to our understanding of
space and time and attempts to show how the teachings of the Jews and
Christians have distorted reality and repressed our Islamic vision.

The Islamic Theory of Reverse Relativity derives its inspiration from
the incident of Miraj, when the Holy Prophet
(sal-al-lah-ho-al-leh-wa-aale-he-wus-sohab-he-wa-azwaaj-he-wasallum) is
supposed to have traveled to the High Heavens. I realize that many
Muslims don't believe it ever happened, at least not in the physical
sense. In fact, the Quran only gives a somewhat indirect reference to
it. However, many learned Muslims do believe in the incident of Miraj as
an actual physical happening or, at least, as a divine vision sent
directly from Allah. I do not address those who completely deny the
validity of Miraj on the assertion that it was a hallucination or a
dream induced by fever while the Holy Prophet
(s.a.l.h.a.l.h.w.s.h.w.a.h.w) slept in the chambers of his wife, Ayesha.

The Jewish scientist Einstein proposed a theory that is widely accepted
by western scientists. He called it the SPECIAL THEORY of RELATIVITY.
Without getting deep into its technical details I'll come to the point
of contention whereby it is obvious that Islamic teaching reject his
thesis.

According to that absent-minded German Jew, time inside a frame of
reference slows down as the velocity of that frame of reference
increases.

To give a plain language example of this theory; let us suppose that an
astronaut gets in a spacecraft and shoots away from Earth at, say, half
the speed of light. (For simplicity's sake, and to avoid the liberal
Black Sheep’s Ba Ba bleeting, we won't make him go any faster because
their ‘hazrat’ Einstein said that the speed of light cannot be
exceeded.) After his successful launch from, say, Cape Canaveral, or
better yet, Port Gawadar, life on Earth proceeds normally and we lose
contact with his spaceship. However, the space traveler progresses
without trouble, makes a long trip around the stars and comes back to
Earth after one year (as measured by his own wristwatch and his ship's
onboard instrumentation). When he finally lands back on Earth he notices
something very strange. He discovers a time-paradox. While the astronaut
thought he had been flying around for only one year, in fact, much
longer than one year had passed on Earth.

According to Einstein's theory of Special Relativity our astronaut will
suffer from, what we could call, the ‘Rip van Winkle Effect’. As in the
fable of Rip van Winkle, our astronaut also thinks he’s been gone for
only a short time while his world has experienced many years. His
friends are all dead for years already. His children have aged and their
bodies are older than his. (Let us not attempt to calculate exactly how
much time this Zionist theory says will have passed on Earth in our
above example, but suffice it to say, it is much longer than what the
space traveler experienced.)

Notwithstanding the above theoretical example, anyone who has studied
the incident of Miraj and believes it to have actually occurred as a
physical reality, or even as a vision sent by Allah, this Special
Relativity concept is unislamic (and therefore untrue) because quite the
reverse happened in the experience of the Holy Prophet
(s.a.l.h.a.l.h.w.s.h.w.a.h.w) during Miraj.

According to Islamic teachings we can infer a different conceptual model
and form a new theory which is congruous with Islamic tradition. I
therefore propose: The Islamic Theory of Reverse Relativity.

According to the Islamic Theory of Reverse Relativity time speeds up
inside a frame of reference as the velocity of that frame of reference
increases. (Islamic scientist, inshallah, will derive the mathematical
proof some day.)

During the Miraj, the Holy Prophet (s.a.l.h.a.l.h.w.s.h.w.a.h.w) went on
a long journey to the Sidra-tul-muntaha (the Highest of Heavens) and had
an audience with Allah. The first segment of his expedition, though at a
lightening speed, was Earth bound and only took him as far as Jerusalem.
It was from the Masjid al-Aqsa (The Dome of the Rock for AB and BB CD’s)
in Jerusalem that he took off skyward. He changed three modes of
transportation en route (Buraak, ruf-ruf & the archangel Gabriel, not to
mention a long walk towards the very end when the angel refused to go
any further) and had several encounters and adventures along the way.
Regardless of the finer details of his celestial odyssey, the point is
that when the Holy Prophet (s.a.l.h.a.l.h.w.s.h.w.a.h.w) returned home
from across the Galaxies, the chain of his front door knob was still
undulating from having been slammed shut when he had left, only moments
earlier according to Earth-time. In other words, only the blink of an
eye had lapsed here on Earth while the Holy Prophet
(s.a.l.h.a.l.h.w.s.h.w.a.h.w) had journeyed long across the Heavens.

This clearly suggests that a long span of time passes at high velocity
during space travel while on Earth only a few seconds lapse. This is the
basis of the Islamic Theory of Reverse-Relativity.

The Holy Prophet (s.a.l.h.a.l.h.w.s.h.w.a.h.w) experienced, what we
could term as, the ‘Gulliver Effect’ which is the exact opposite of the
above mentioned ‘Rip van Winkle Effect’. (When Swift’s Gulliver returned
home from his travels, he realized that he had hardly been missed
because everyone thought that he had only been gone for a very brief
moment.) Even the American scientist, Carl Sagan, in his book Contact,
painted a similar time paradox scenario. Hollywood’s version of it with
Jody Foster has brought this concept of Reverse Relativity home to the
non Muslims, even in the ‘You Ass of America’.

Even if one momentarily accepts the assertion of those who say that The
Prophet (s.a.l.h.a.l.h.w.s.h.w.a.h.w) didn’t travel physically (but was
only given a simulation ride by ‘fast-download’ of the experience into
his memory banks), the lesson derived from his vivid recollection is
very clear. His God-inspired vision unmistakably identifies the relative
incongruence of the two time frames, one of his house on Earth and the
other experienced by him during his star trek.

If we believe that his vision came from Allah, then we have to believe
in the Islamic Theory of Reverse Relativity.


barque(bijli) yoon akadti hai apne karname pe ke
jaise phir naya hum aashiyaan bana nahi sakte

AL-`ASR

In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.

By (the Token of) Time (through the ages),
Verily Man is in loss,
Except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds, and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth, and of Patience and Constancy.

Bro, you have raised a very interesting point! Inshallah, I pray that a muslim scientist (ie u!) will be able to contradict Einstein's hypotheses and propose the reverse relativity theory mathematically.

But an important aspect which we find from the surah above is that, even though we have scientific theories coming in and being proved and old ones being thrown out of the window indeed some being pulled back in, the truth is absolute and independent of time. This means that we cannot prove Islam is true by showing that science agrees with Islam. Indeed Islam encompasses science since an measurement can only be measured against something absolute!

Good luck!

Salaams all,
I didn't actually read the post thoroughly, I just kinda skimmed them.
Couldn't the whole thing be viewed from another angle? (Note: for scientific reasons in reality I do feel that Einstein's theory MAY be flawed.......)

Supposing Einstein's theory was right...and time does slow down the faster you move.... despite this, we all know that Allah is all-powerful, could He not have simply suspended the laws of reality for the Miraj? Bear in mind that miracles by their very nature defy physical laws, we know the moon was split as a Sign during the life of Rasoolullah (p.b.u.h.), but yet Allah did not, to the best of our knowledge, permit a physical trace of that to be left on the moon.

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Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT:
**Salaams all,
I didn't actually read the post thoroughly, I just kinda skimmed them.
Couldn't the whole thing be viewed from another angle? (Note: for scientific reasons in reality I do feel that Einstein's theory MAY be flawed.......)

Supposing Einstein's theory was right...and time does slow down the faster you move.... despite this, we all know that Allah is all-powerful, could He not have simply suspended the laws of reality for the Miraj? Bear in mind that miracles by their very nature defy physical laws, we know the moon was split as a Sign during the life of Rasoolullah (p.b.u.h.), but yet Allah did not, to the best of our knowledge, permit a physical trace of that to be left on the moon.**
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M.S.,
If your belief is strong ,masha allah,you dont need these theoretical discussions.As i have said in other posts Science & religion should not be mixed .There are areas where islamic practice scientifically proven, for the benefit of college students ,we do explain values of circumscision,abulation,5 times prayers non use of usury in our economy,sacrifice of animal as substitute for self sacrifice all plausibly explained.But i discourage to make a habit of looking scientific explanation for all islaMIC EDICTS,iF IT BECAME SO OBVIOUS SCIENTIUFCALLY LIKE A NEWTONS LAW OF ARCHIMEDES PRINCIPLES OR solar system,then it is FACT,& allah knows it is not imaan to admit fact ,even an aethist will admit facts as being true.You should believe mostly because you have faith in Allah,.Allah doesnt need us but we all need him,We dont do things like namaz roza for him ,because he needs it for himself ,he has farishta to do that already.But we know these things pleases him so to PLEASE him we do namaz roza,etc.Like when we give gift to loved one not because they are poor or cant afford it but we show express love this way,.


barque(bijli) yoon akadti hai apne karname pe ke
jaise phir naya hum aashiyaan bana nahi sakte