Relatives of missing citizens reject jihadi explanation

Some interesting details that go against what Musharraf said in his speech. It is pretty obvious considering the evidence we have that Musharraf is either delusional or a liar.

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\04\01\story_1-4-2007_pg7_11

Relatives of missing citizens reject jihadi explanation

By Akhtar Amin

PESHAWAR: Families of seven missing citizens from NWFP on Saturday rejected President Pervez Musharraf’s claim that the country’s missing people might be with Islamic extremists or jihadi groups, alleging that their relatives had been picked up by intelligence agencies in collaboration with police.

**“The release of nine missing citizens from NWFP after the Supreme Court’s suo moto action aimed to retrieve such people is evidence enough. The released citizens have recorded their statements to the media that they were picked up by intelligence agencies,” **Ayesha – the wife of missing citizen Qari Subhanullah (40), a religious scholar who ran a chain of schools by the name Iqra Rozatul Itfal in Peshawar and other districts of the province – told Daily Times.

She alleged that on January 14, intelligence agencies, assisted by the Crime Investigation Department (CID), army commandos and CIA police, broke into her house around midnight and arrested her husband.

She said that she then filed a writ petition with the Peshawar High Court against her husband’s “illegal detention by law-enforcement agencies”, and made the Interior Ministry, the director generals of ISI and IB, the Gulbahar police SHO, the Peshawar SSP, CID and CIA police respondents to the case.

Shamsunnisa (60), the mother of missing citizen Attiqur Rehman, also rejected the president’s statement. She alleged that her son was picked up by intelligence agencies from his hometown, Abbottabad, on the day he was to get married in June 2004. She told Daily Times over the telephone from her hometown,** “It was Musharraf’s government that offered my son a job as an atomic energy scientific officer and conferred a gold medal on him, but it was also Musharraf’s government that detained him,” **she said.

Similarly, Safdar Ali – a resident of the Shagai Puichar area of Matta Swat – said, “It was local police and intelligence agencies, not jihadi groups, that arrested my 70-year-old brother and my nephews Ziauddin (21) and Syed Muhammad Shah (23).”

Mian Haleem Shah, anther missing citizen’s relative, said, **“The Matta Swat DSP asked my brother Muhammad Yousaf over the telephone on November 24, 2006, to meet him at his office.” Yousaf, along with his friend Safdar Ali, went to the office, but “the DSP detained Yousaf and let Safdar Ali go”. Later, police said they did not know about the whereabouts of Yousaf, said Shah. “The police neither told us of the grounds on which my brother was arrested, nor did they produce Yousaf before a magistrate, which is a gross violation of Article 10 of the Constitution,” **he added.

Syed Mohammad, an Afghan national living in Peshawar’s Academy Town, alleged that his brother Abdul Rahim Muslim Dost (45), an Afghan scholar and poet, was picked up by intelligence agencies from a mosque in Peshawar University Town, after he delivered a Friday sermon on September 29.

“Initially, the Pakistani military arrested Muslim Dost on November 17, 2001 along with another brother of mine, Badruzzaman Badar (35), from their home in Peshawar. They were handed over to the American authorities on Feb 8, 2002, and after remaining in custody at Bagram and Kandahar, they reached the Guantanamo detention facility on May 1, 2002. However, on September 24, 2004, Badruzzaman Badar was released from Guantanamo Bay and Muslim Dost was released on April 20, 2005, because after a thorough investigation, the Americans found they were innocent,” he said.

He said his brother was a writer, not a jihadi.

“My brother’s crime was that he authored a book, ‘The Broken Shackles of Guantanamo’, in which he accused the Pakistani secret services of atrocities and playing into the hands of the US.”

Re: Relatives of missing citizens reject jihadi explanation

On one hand you MQM bhai's are always saying Mushy isnt doing much to curtail terrorists, and on one end u're sayin they are the extremists (along with uncle Sam), and yet your MQM is part of the Government. It just seems to me that you MQM pithooz are still bitter about the phenti you got by the army and other governments in the past, that you are making these ludicurous claims...

Re: Relatives of missing citizens reject jihadi explanation

Tribal areas are already under the occupation of Al Qaeda and Taliban numbering in the thousands, what has the Pak army done about this? Right now it is the Taliban providing protection to the army in tribal areas! Why does the army always seem to run away from a real fight?

And I am all for arresting terrorists and their mullah supporters (currently a bunch of them in Lal Masjid) but that process must be legal and the detainees be produced in court.

Unlike you and those of your kind, I do not support the torture and detention of people when it is done outside of the law because it leads to misuse of power as was the case when MQM was persecuted by the government of that time.

Is this clear enough for you and should I put it n simpler words?

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Well! Had this suspended cj was in charge during 1994-1997, Karachi would still been suffering from rampant terrorism of MQM!

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^So do you support torture or murder as a means of law and order? Assuming you consider Musharrafs government legitimate..do you know the grounds for the dismissal of a government in Pakistan?
maladministration, corruption, and nepotism and espousal of political violence

Re: Relatives of missing citizens reject jihadi explanation

Khehkeshan: I have question for you, what do you think is the motive behind these diappearances?

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Well to protect country and people, it some times become inevitable yet so painful!

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Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Bhutto, Tikka Khan, Zia-ul-Haq, and Nasrulah Babar all said the same thing. Musharraf is just adding his name to list.

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During that operation mostly terrorist elements were eliminated! But few innocent people also gone missing. I would quote an example from my area! A guy came to a shopkeeper and asked him to use his phone. The shopkeeper a young man in the 20's was a nice chap and allowed the guy to use the phone (back in 1995). The guy called somewhere and left. After few hours the shopkeeper was picked by the agency people. He was set free after a week. Two days later this poor shopkeeper succumbed to the torture done on him!

My point is that if this Mr. Choudry was in charge of the SC then and had taken the notice of missing people in Karachi then. Imagine how Mr. Baber would have dealt with the situation

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Few innocent people??? You don't anything about that time period.