Relationships between indians and pakistanis

[Nisha25]

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:Dall this talk of indo-pak in-laws, I can’t help but laugh

romance, dating, marriage(one where the belief systems are different) just seems like a recipe for disaster. i think the parents of both will be arming themselves for their own indo-pak war between families

i only see a potential for kinship b/c of the fact that the two nationalities know so little about each other and most is based only on news and prejudiced assumptions

i want to visit anarkali bazaar and lahore food street

[Xtron]

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@Nisha25

was i that much of a diva before and that’s why you called me rani?

but awww you remembered me, cho chweet:biggthumb:…halal hug? what happened to the hug smiley:confused:

besides i do i have an ulterior motive, i’m hoping he’ll get me a pakistani designer lengha cheap allllll the way from pakistan…yippee

Yes you are diva and maharani. And secondly, non-halal hug would have been just fine. :D.

[saqibkhan]

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The majority of Pakistanis know it that the hindus are the eternal enemy of the Pakistanis. The hatred between Pakistanis and indians is the most intense and extreme hatred between any sets of 2 different nations that i have seen. It even surpasses the hate between the Israeli jews and arabs.

Although many here (myself included) have complained about some treacherous Pakistanis who love our eternal enemy, they are an extremely small miniscule minority who though very well known are micro in number.

[ll_xx_ll]

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​wow

[Guac]

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The majority of Pakistanis know it that the hindus are the eternal enemy of the Pakistanis. The hatred between Pakistanis and indians is the most intense and extreme hatred between any sets of 2 different nations that i have seen. It even surpasses the hate between the Israeli jews and arabs.

Although many here (myself included) have complained about some treacherous Pakistanis who love our eternal enemy, they are an extremely small miniscule minority who though very well known are micro in number.

wth.

[Lucid_Chaotic]

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The majority of Pakistanis know it that the hindus are the eternal enemy of the Pakistanis. The hatred between Pakistanis and indians is the most intense and extreme hatred between any sets of 2 different nations that i have seen. It even surpasses the hate between the Israeli jews and arabs.

Although many here (myself included) have complained about some treacherous Pakistanis who love our eternal enemy, they are an extremely small miniscule minority who though very well known are micro in number.

We'll talk when you can distinguish between Indians and Hindus.

[saqibkhan]

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We'll talk when you can distinguish between Indians and Hindus.

Because the hostility between Pakistan and india is seen in both countries in Muslim versus hindu terms!!!

[ll_xx_ll]

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yeah ok and look at where hating each other has gotten us..we're still stuck in the same rut, still fighting each other-still perpetuating a hatred that has caused senseless loss of human life...

im an average person ... and the way I see it most people in my position just want to live their lives, raise their families, and make something of themselves....if we could realize how damaging hatred is not only to those around us but to the purity of our souls and let go of the negativity in our emotions as individuals we could come out of this viscous cycle of perpetual and senseless loss of human lives and make a more beautiful more peaceful world...

I sincerely hope you and everyone else will reflect on what im trying to say instead of dismissing my comments by labeling me as a treacherous Pakistani who loves our "enemy", but the way i see it is the only enemy we have is hatred and prejudice ... which dont allow us to be better human beings than we are...and if we could understand the havoc caused by letting hatred poison our souls and pull ourselves out of that state of constant aggression towards another group of human beings we could all live in harmony...living in harmony means allowing each other to live in peace... it does not mean we shou;d hug each other and sing the kumbaaya but at the very least all of us should want to end the senseless violence ...

[ll_xx_ll]

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ours is an open minded, educated generation...supposedly...

we are in a unique position to put a stop to senseless killing....holding on to grudges will never allow us to accomplish that...it will only serve to continue the violence throughout the world and further poison us from within...

I dont want to teach my kids to hate people... does that make me any less of a human being than anyone else? does that make me any less of a muslim than any other muslim? does that make me any less of a pakistani than any other pakistani? and why?

[Reha]

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I was looking at my post from when this thread was opened.

I work with some Hindu people now and its been a learning experience for me.

Most of these people don't consider Indian Muslims...Indian. They call them Pakistani as well.

I have been put in many awkward situations where I've actually had people ask me...are you Pakistani? Because we only want to pay a Hindu or the other way around.

I have to remind them that we don't think that way here in America. We're all desies here and if you can't get with that...you are in the wrong place.

[Southie]

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I was looking at my post from when this thread was opened.

I work with some Hindu people now and its been a learning experience for me.

***Most of these people don't consider Indian Muslims...Indian. They call them Pakistani as well.

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Seriously? I intereact with a lot of my "Hindu" fellow Indians - not a single one of them has ever told me he considers an Indian muslim Paksitani. Now this does not mean prejudice does not exist.

You must have interacted with a sample of "Hindus" who do not represent the majority - especially among the educated - IMO.

[Faris_Udeen]

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I believe Love, honour and trust are things that cannot be put down on paper, nor can they be described easily.

However these things have no borders or controls and the limits are endless.

If you were to ask me how many Indians or any other people I consider as my friends then I would ask you to look up at the sky, no I am not changing the subject look up at the sky and tell me...

Can you count the stars?

I'm sure common sense still exists.... I am not like those men who will say this is my land and thats your land.... there is land plenty for us all so cross and make your own spaces.

[Lucid_Chaotic]

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I was looking at my post from when this thread was opened.

I work with some Hindu people now and its been a learning experience for me.

Most of these people don't consider Indian Muslims...Indian. They call them Pakistani as well.

I have been put in many awkward situations where I've actually had people ask me...are you Pakistani? Because we only want to pay a Hindu or the other way around.

I have to remind them that we don't think that way here in America. We're all desies here and if you can't get with that...you are in the wrong place.

sounds more like an anomaly... I've worked with many Indians including Hindus and Muslims and never experienced this.

[Reha]

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Seriously? I intereact with a lot of my "Hindu" fellow Indians - not a single one of them has ever told me he considers an Indian muslim Paksitani. Now this does not mean prejudice does not exist.

You must have interacted with a sample of "Hindus" who do not represent the majority - especially among the educated - IMO.

I am serious. I hope its not the majority and I don't judge them all according to what I've experienced. I have had Hindu friends in the past but this is just wayyyy different.

sounds more like an anomaly... I've worked with many Indians including Hindus and Muslims and never experienced this.

I hope so LC.

[rangoli]

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as long as you dont bring politics in your discussions its fine!

[Xtron]

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I was looking at my post from when this thread was opened.

I work with some Hindu people now and its been a learning experience for me.

Most of these people don't consider Indian Muslims...Indian. They call them Pakistani as well.

I have been put in many awkward situations where I've actually had people ask me...are you Pakistani? Because we only want to pay a Hindu or the other way around.

I have to remind them that we don't think that way here in America. We're all desies here and if you can't get with that...you are in the wrong place.

O yes, even i have expericed it as well. I had to knock some sense to them by telling that they are Indians ( Except Kashmiris).

[saqibkhan]

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I have to remind them that we don't think that way here in America. We're all desies here and if you can't get with that...you are in the wrong place.

I don't agree with that.
I understand that if you have to interact with hindus at work or university as acquaintances then sure try to be tactful and avoid any discussions about politics or religion.

But unity between muslims and hindus just because we are all desi or "south asian" is not a good idea. Unity between muslims and hindus did not happen in a thousand years and it won't happen now or in a million years.

Instead we should try to promote unity between muslims who might be from different countries, belong to different races or speak different languages.

[Reha]

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I don't agree with that. I understand that if you have to interact with hindus at work or university as acquaintances then sure try to be tactful and avoid any discussions about politics or religion.

But unity between muslims and hindus just because we are all desi or "south asian" is not a good idea. Unity between muslims and hindus did not happen in a thousand years and it won't happen now or in a million years.

Instead we should try to promote unity between muslims who might be from different countries, belong to different races or speak different languages.

Mr. Khan, where on earth do you see unity among Muslims?

Mil jhul ke rehna seekho takay duniya dekhe ke Muslim aisa hota hai.

[Omar_is_the_One]

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I don't agree with that. I understand that if you have to interact with hindus at work or university as acquaintances then sure try to be tactful and avoid any discussions about politics or religion.

But unity between muslims and hindus just because we are all desi or "south asian" is not a good idea. Unity between muslims and hindus did not happen in a thousand years and it won't happen now or in a million years.

Instead we should try to promote unity between muslims who might be from different countries, belong to different races or speak different languages.

and herein lies the words of the very type of indviidual who sees his glass half empty! Lets just write off the nationa just becuase we can never be friends with them....

What on earth is the issue with trying to be friendly or on good terms with indians?
My brother in law is indian - I dont like him or get on with him for many reasons, but none of them are related to him being an indian, although he has spoken derogatorily (is that a word?) about punjabis on a few occasions - yes we are from punjab originally and his family is from kashmir!

IN my line of work I deal wth hundreds of indians and pakistanis on a weekly basis. This is my analysis on the back of a napkin (this is pakis/indians that are in country so to speak):

pakistanis are : first and foremost - must be the rudest nation in the world - closely followed by blindly nationalist and arrogant of their place in the world, adopt islam as their way of life, yet rarely practice it in their everyday life, and extremely naive of the ways of other countries and cultures. generally unrelaible, but overtly friendly, offer the earth but deleiver little. quality and service are of littl;e consequence in their lives, however everything is measured in terms of their duty to islam - in summary a blinkered, hypocritical people who have an identity that is an oxymoron - the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. And by the way - pakistani women (imports as we call them here locally in our hosehold) are the worst of all the above - add on gossip-mongers....

Indians are: hardworking yet very unrelaible, quick to please yet lose the detail of the task, quite nationalist, but conscious of the worlds view on them. Very sharp and clever people ( probably has much to do with the fact they denominate every action and word down to ther faith/belief) - strong in their faith yet materialistic and chasing the greenbacks all the time - The concept of the NRI is a drug ... and as a close friend who is indian once told me - they will sell their mothers for a gold watch. Indians are a dichotomny - there are some very prejudiced ones and their are some very very open indians - and in my experience - religion never comes into it. I probably know a few indians in every city and town in the country and they generally all display similar character traits...

Oh yes - indians and pakistanis must be joint first for being the worst liars in the world.

Maybe all of the above comes from being stuck in india or pakistan, where poverty generally rules, andthe dream of a bettre life will make people do anything to improve their lot ...

Indians and Paks in the UK however, where i have lived all my life - nothing of the sort - they are all the same - desis - as you call it !!

The local hindu lala who owns the grocery store and whose daughter is my daughters best friend, is as freindly as the local gurdwara guys where we occasionaly pop into have daal puri in the langar - the singh 'pa-ji' who fixes our boiler is as close as the south indian lady who is a teacher at our school and the kids go to her house on weekends for tuition ( and alsways sends us eid mithai). our hippy 50year old single mum next door neighbour who is a buddhist / atheist / agnostic depending on her mood and what she smoked the night before is the best neighbour we ever had, and the iranian sha couple with the 2 girls on the other side - make us the luckierst householkd in the street to have such wonderful neighbours -

My point is - value and cherish the people around you in your life and in your environment - regardless of faith, background, colour or creed

Us pakistanis and indians - and I say US becuase its easy to foeget we were the same 60 years ago - are THE WORST people ( maybe without counting the Arabs and the levant) when it comes to prejudice and intolerance of each other !

The hardest countries to visit :
1. Israel if youre a muslim
2. India if any of your ancestors are pakistani
3. Pakistan if ditto
Blind and wholesale hatred must have something to do with it i'd say...

And yes - I am an ENGLISH person first , second generation Pakistani VERY begrudgingly second! Being a Muslim means I have mmebrship of an exclusive club acoss the world - biut that doesnt remove my existential being from a physical reality or environemnt!

ps. sorry for the ramble, still practicing but failing at succinct and to the point posts!!

[hareem01]

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and herein lies the words of the very type of indviidual who sees his glass half empty! Lets just write off the nationa just becuase we can never be friends with them....

What on earth is the issue with trying to be friendly or on good terms with indians? My brother in law is indian - I dont like him or get on with him for many reasons, but none of them are related to him being an indian, although he has spoken derogatorily (is that a word?) about punjabis on a few occasions - yes we are from punjab originally and his family is from kashmir!

IN my line of work I deal wth hundreds of indians and pakistanis on a weekly basis. This is my analysis on the back of a napkin (this is pakis/indians that are in country so to speak):

pakistanis are : blindly nationalist and arrogant or their place in the world, adopt islam as their way of life, yet rarely practice it in their everyday life, and extremely naive of the ways of other countries and cultures. generally unrelaibel, but very friendly, offer the earth but deleiver little. quality and service are of littl;e consequence in their lives, however everything is measured in terms of their duty to islam - in summary a blinkered, hypocritical people who have an identity that is an oxymoron - the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Indians are: hardworking yet very unrelaible, quick to please yet lose the detail of the task, quite nationalist, but conscious of the worlds view on them. Very sharp and clever people ( probably has much to do with the fact they denominate every action and word down to ther faith/belief) - strong in their faith yet materialistic and chasing the greenbacks all the time - The concept of the NRI is a drug ... and as a close friend who is indian once told me - they will sell their mothers for a gold watch.

I agree with you actually.